Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 10

[spider-neil]

I can totally see how MoS got 56%. A lot people on here have said its more enjoyable watching it a 2nd time. The pacing and editing have a better flow because you know what is coming. But these critics saw it only once and judged based off of that. I was really frustrated after my midnight showing.

This probably applies to a lot of other movies too.

Frustrated? I walked out of MoS absolutely hating the movie and only returned for a second viewing because I had booked weeks in advance. My second viewing was much better.

 

[kalelvis]

Was just looking at some info at BoM and saw some interesting trends that might be helpful estimating the rest of MoS's theatrical run.

Looking at other CBMs figures for where they were at day 18 and where they ended up, the movies average about an addition 50 to 90 million. Some of course (Avengers, TDK) do even more. MoS has had a pretty equal ga reception and box office as ASM and IM2 so it is fair to expect Superman to perform in that same ball park. 50 Mil or so more in domestic box office will put it over 300 million.

People are seeing movies in record numbers and to be honest some of the movies have been disappointing (including MoS for some). I think this opens the door for many people to say..."what the heck, the critics hated it but I keep hearing about it, so lets watch it..."

The long game is looking good for all of the movies that get good GA grades this summer especially with the heat in the west keeping people searching for airconditioned entertainment.

 

[Liam_H]

Frustrated? I walked out of MoS absolutely hating the movie and only returned for a second viewing because I had booked weeks in advance. My second viewing was much better.

Yes, the movie had a lot of problems for me that kept me from enjoying it. But I had waited too long for this movie(Superman being my favorite CB hero) to not give it another chance. A lot of people kept saying its better the 2nd time. They were right, it was more enjoyable but my problems with the movie still stand.

 

[tomoe]

I really think the response after the first viewing of a movie is the most accurate and pure. I feel like with second viewings people have lowered their expectations, so it is relatively more enjoyable. I also don't think second viewings that are less enjoyable are accurate either. It should not take 2 viewings of a movie to enjoy it. If someone hated a movie the first time, why would they spend the money to watch it a second time? I certainly wouldn't go watch a sucky movie again because I was told I would enjoy more if I watched it again. I didn't think MOS sucked by the way, and I do want to go watch it again but I would still hold to my first reaction as my most genuine response to the movie.

 

[Liam_H]

I would agree. I saw enough that I liked, going back wasn't too hard.

 

[robot]

Frustrated? I walked out of MoS absolutely hating the movie and only returned for a second viewing because I had booked weeks in advance. My second viewing was much better.

Yes, the movie had a lot of problems for me that kept me from enjoying it. But I had waited too long for this movie(Superman being my favorite CB hero) to not give it another chance. A lot of people kept saying its better the 2nd time. They were right, it was more enjoyable but my problems with the movie still stand.

I think so far, all my friends, more than 10 of them who saw it for the 2nd time thought it was better..

I think there is something to this... Personally, my feeling is because of the cutting of the movie and the quick pace, the first time around, our brain can't focus on the details... it's like a roller coaster ride... and then you feel like it ended too soon... without a lot of explanation.. upon the second viewing, you can see more of it, because your brain is free to see things that you didn't see before.. or put things together...

In fact, one of my friend who actually hated it (not those that thought it had flaw but still enjoyed it), saw it for the second time, upon my insistence, and he ended up liking it.. from 'hate' to 'like'.. still not brilliant, but a shift nevertheless...

I really think the response after the first viewing of a movie is the most accurate and pure. I feel like with second viewings people have lowered their expectations, so it is relatively more enjoyable. I also don't think second viewings that are less enjoyable are accurate either. It should not take 2 viewings of a movie to enjoy it. If someone hated a movie the first time, why would they spend the money to watch it a second time? I certainly wouldn't go watch a sucky movie again because I was told I would enjoy more if I watched it again. I didn't think MOS sucked by the way, and I do want to go watch it again but I would still hold to my first reaction as my most genuine response to the movie.

Well, prob true..

But for some reason MOS is better the 2nd time around, for whatever reasons...

 

[writer0327]

I'm sure it is better the second time around, but I haven't had the chance yet.

I had wanted to take the kids to see it the same weekend Monsters U and WWZ came out, but they chose Monsters U.

Then last weekend they chose WWZ.

This weekend I think it will be DM2.

 

[sf2]

I'm sure it is better the second time around, but I haven't had the chance yet.

I had wanted to take the kids to see it the same weekend Monsters U and WWZ came out, but they chose Monsters U.

Then last weekend they chose WWZ.

This weekend I think it will be DM2.

sad to hear that kids chose monster, zombie and yellow little gum over superman.

pls make the decision for them. they would love it!

 

[robot]

I'm sure it is better the second time around, but I haven't had the chance yet.

I had wanted to take the kids to see it the same weekend Monsters U and WWZ came out, but they chose Monsters U.

Then last weekend they chose WWZ.

This weekend I think it will be DM2.

And if you get the chance, go to an IMAX... it's twice as good!!

 

[sf2]

I really think the response after the first viewing of a movie is the most accurate and pure. I feel like with second viewings people have lowered their expectations, so it is relatively more enjoyable. I also don't think second viewings that are less enjoyable are accurate either. It should not take 2 viewings of a movie to enjoy it. If someone hated a movie the first time, why would they spend the money to watch it a second time? I certainly wouldn't go watch a sucky movie again because I was told I would enjoy more if I watched it again. I didn't think MOS sucked by the way, and I do want to go watch it again but I would still hold to my first reaction as my most genuine response to the movie.

maybe, just maybe it's just too big and grand for them to take it for the 1st time... you know... like the little kid Clark discovers his new abilities...

 

[Bruce Malone]

I can totally see how MoS got 56%. A lot people on here have said its more enjoyable watching it a 2nd time. The pacing and editing have a better flow because you know what is coming. But these critics saw it only once and judged based off of that. I was really frustrated after my midnight showing.

This probably applies to a lot of other movies too.

I still feel that was too low a score and they must have been rating on a different standard compared to other action type films?

Fast 6 got a 70% rating now i'm not just bashing it just because it's the fast and the furious. I saw it in theaters and i thought it was much worst than fast 5 and indeed purely as a film worst than Man of Steel.

On acting alone the Man of Steel cast was miles ahead. So again it goes to my point that critics were grading it on some sort of scale separate from other blockbusters. I'd say the same about it and TASM as well.

MoS deserved at least a 70 based on the tier of film it was.

 

[113]

I really think the response after the first viewing of a movie is the most accurate and pure. I feel like with second viewings people have lowered their expectations, so it is relatively more enjoyable. I also don't think second viewings that are less enjoyable are accurate either. It should not take 2 viewings of a movie to enjoy it. If someone hated a movie the first time, why would they spend the money to watch it a second time? I certainly wouldn't go watch a sucky movie again because I was told I would enjoy more if I watched it again. I didn't think MOS sucked by the way, and I do want to go watch it again but I would still hold to my first reaction as my most genuine response to the movie.

I could not disagree with this more. I also generally disagree with the premise that you can accurately judge an individual from their first impression. And being loyal to your first impression of a movie (or anything else in life) is a recipe for sketchy critical analysis. Look at Blade Runner, initially critics hated that film but it became a cult classic (and forced critics to reexamine it later) because of multiple viewings.

I think it's 50/50 on whether a movie gets better with a second viewing or not. For example, while watching GL I thought it was a horrible movie. Then when it came out on VOD I rented it to give it another chance. The result was that I thought it was even worse with the second viewing.

I think so far, all my friends, more than 10 of them who saw it for the 2nd time thought it was better..

I think there is something to this... Personally, my feeling is because of the cutting of the movie and the quick pace, the first time around, our brain can't focus on the details... it's like a roller coaster ride... and then you feel like it ended too soon... without a lot of explanation.. upon the second viewing, you can see more of it, because your brain is free to see things that you didn't see before.. or put things together...

In fact, one of my friend who actually hated it (not those that thought it had flaw but still enjoyed it), saw it for the second time, upon my insistence, and he ended up liking it.. from 'hate' to 'like'.. still not brilliant, but a shift nevertheless...



Well, prob true..

But for some reason MOS is better the 2nd time around, for whatever reasons...

This was the point I made initially when I walked out of MoS for the first time. I remember sort of being in a haze and not really knowing what to feel and that sort of disappointed me initially. What I quickly realized within hours is that that Act 3 was so intense, and there was so much going on, that my brain just experienced sensory overload. My brain couldn't keep up, couldn't process what I had seen. It took reflection, once I was a 1-2 hours removed from it, for the lights in my mind to turn on and I could say "i get it, and I love it."

And the film keeps getting better through each of my 5 viewings.


And to not go completely off topic, I think it's these multiple viewings by not just me, but many people that will help give MoS the legs it needs to continue to surprise people.

 

[Liam_H]

Well yea, F6 and MoS are different types of movie. Sure they are both of the action summer blockbuster. But I believe F6 achieved more of what it was trying to be than MoS did.

Now it was a lot harder for MoS to achieve its goal but still.

 

[robot]

I can totally see how MoS got 56%. A lot people on here have said its more enjoyable watching it a 2nd time. The pacing and editing have a better flow because you know what is coming. But these critics saw it only once and judged based off of that. I was really frustrated after my midnight showing.

This probably applies to a lot of other movies too.

If you looked at the grade, it's about the same with wwz, so, why one have so many more 'fails' than the other?

The only explanation i can come up with is 'the higher expectation for mos'...

Also, just a question, did you like wwz better? if not, would you have given wwz a pass and mos a fail? (thought experiment).

 

[Liam_H]

If you looked at the grade, it's about the same with wwz, so, why one have so many more 'fails' than the other?

The only explanation i can come up with is 'the higher expectation for mos'...

Also, just a question, did you like wwz better? if not, would you have given wwz a pass and mos a fail? (thought experiment).

Haven't seen WWZ and don't care to anytime soon. WWZ is higher and considered fresh but they are so close to each other its not that big of a difference to me if at all.

 

[titansupes]

To people saying the second time is better - That's 100% correct. I just saw it for the second time a few hours ago, a week since my first viewing. First time: Lukewarm/underwhelmed. Second time: Absolutely loved it.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Well yea, F6 and MoS are different types of movie. Sure they are both of the action summer blockbuster. But I believe F6 achieved more of what it was trying to be than MoS did.

Now it was a lot harder for MoS to achieve its goal but still.

I don't agree that's how films should be rated though. You should have unbiased views of what the films is itself and not compare it to what you think it was trying to do.

Of course a film like F6 will have the bar lowered because you probably expect very little of what it is trying to do. Regardless MoS seeking to do more shouldn't be held as an indictment.

I'm not a film major but i've studied film somewhat and on every level essentially MoS was indeed a superior film.

The standard that MoS was held to was one that would deliberately lower its ratings creating a misleading image of the film overall.

 

[robot]

This was the point I made initially when I walked out of MoS for the first time. I remember sort of being in a haze and not really knowing what to feel and that sort of disappointed me initially. What I quickly realized within hours is that that Act 3 was so intense, and there was so much going on, that my brain just experienced sensory overload. My brain couldn't keep up, couldn't process what I had seen. It took reflection, once I was a 1-2 hours removed from it, for the lights in my mind to turn on and I could say "i get it, and I love it."

And the film keeps getting better through each of my 5 viewings.


And to not go completely off topic, I think it's these multiple viewings by not just me, but many people that will help give MoS the legs it needs to continue to surprise people.

Exactly right...

In fact, my 3rd viewing is when i can see the details of the final battle with zod properly.. it was a complete haze the first time around, i got most of it the second time around, except the final battle, and got that too during my 3rd viewing...

The friend who at first hated it, then said he changed his mind and liked it the second time, he too said after the 2nd viewing that the fight with zod was still too fast and confusing... (no way i can get him to watch it a 3rd time though.. even the 2nd time, i had to drag him there.. even bought him a ticket)...

The problem with 'repeat viewings' is that the vast majority of ppl won't re-watch a movie if they didn't like it the first time.. i think that's what's hurting MOS's legs... also, those thad didn't like it first time, will also not tell their friends to watch it...

It's unfortunate though.. MOS could have so easily hit the 1B mark, if only a few things were done which were easy to do.. like better pacing... and better release date, and marketing OS...

 

[robot]

Haven't seen WWZ and don't care to anytime soon. WWZ is higher and considered fresh but they are so close to each other its not that big of a difference to me if at all.

Well, once you see it, you'll prob agree that it's a far inferior movie compared to MOS (IMO), yet critics in general gave it more passing marks... that's the inconsistencies i see... and the only explation have to do with 'higher expectations for mos' that translate to 'easier to be disappointed'.

 

[robot]

I don't agree that's how films should be rated though. You should have unbiased views of what the films is itself and not compare it to what you think it was trying to do.

Of course a film like F6 will have the bar lowered because you probably expect very little of what it is trying to do. Regardless MoS seeking to do more shouldn't be held as an indictment.

I'm not a film major but i've studied film somewhat and on every level essentially MoS was indeed a superior film.

The standard that MoS was held to was one that would deliberately lower its ratings creating a misleading image of the film overall.

This!!! t:t:t:

 

[Liam_H]

I don't agree that's how films should be rated though. You should have unbiased views of what the films is itself and not compare it to what you think it was trying to do.

Of course a film like F6 will have the bar lowered because you probably expect very little of what it is trying to do. Regardless MoS seeking to do more shouldn't be held as an indictment.

I'm not a film major but i've studied film somewhat and on every level essentially MoS was indeed a superior film.

The standard that MoS was held to was one that would deliberately lower its ratings creating a misleading image of the film overall.

I like to agree with that but such preconceived notions are still there. I saw what MoS was trying to do but I don't think it succeeded at it. That might be unfair but as just a general moviegoer I feel no responsibility to change how I view things.

 

[113]

Exactly right...

In fact, my 3rd viewing is when i can see the details of the final battle with zod properly.. it was a complete haze the first time around, i got most of it the second time around, except the final battle, and got that too during my 3rd viewing...

The friend who at first hated it, then said he changed his mind and liked it the second time, he too said after the 2nd viewing that the fight with zod was still too fast and confusing... (no way i can get him to watch it a 3rd time though.. even the 2nd time, i had to drag him there.. even bought him a ticket)...

The problem with 'repeat viewings' is that the vast majority of ppl won't re-watch a movie if they didn't like it the first time.. i think that's what's hurting MOS's legs... also, those thad didn't like it first time, will also not tell their friends to watch it...

It's unfortunate though.. MOS could have so easily hit the 1B mark, if only a few things were done which were easy to do.. like better pacing... and better release date, and marketing OS...

Agreed with everything you posted. Actually it wasn't until my last viewing (5th) that I was really able to count, and mostly remember, the number of buildings destroyed by Zod and Superman. Since the collateral damage thing has become such a big deal with detractors I felt it necessary to do some research on my 5th viewing and by my count Zod was responsible for damaging/destroying 11 buildings compared to Superman being responsible for damaging just 2. Just in case anyone was wondering

But to your broader point, that last battle with Zod is just hard to keep track of, even for those of us who are supporters of the film. It just means that Snyder has to improve his craft in the sequel (as I'm sure he will, as will Goyer).

 

[Liam_H]

To get us back on numbers, it seems MoS pulled in about $2.8M on Tuesday.

Credit: Rth

 

[sf2]

btw, why did the mod close down the thread of the plead for 2nd viewing?

 

[tomoe]

I could not disagree with this more. I also generally disagree with the premise that you can accurately judge an individual from their first impression. And being loyal to your first impression of a movie (or anything else in life) is a recipe for sketchy critical analysis. Look at Blade Runner, initially critics hated that film but it became a cult classic (and forced critics to reexamine it later) because of multiple viewings.

I think it's 50/50 on whether a movie gets better with a second viewing or not. For example, while watching GL I thought it was a horrible movie. Then when it came out on VOD I rented it to give it another chance. The result was that I thought it was even worse with the second viewing.

Movies are not people, so I don't judge them the same way I do a person. I've never watched Blade Runner, so can't comment on the movie itself, but when you say 'forced critics to reexamine it' it really makes me think 'forced critics to like it based on peer pressure'. I mean if they hated it the first time, they hated it. Doesn't mean they were wrong in what they felt.