Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - Part 13

[ConnorKon-El]

Man of Steel has made 630 million and counting.
I'd say they are pretty okay with how things turned out.
They are throwing Batman in the MOS sequel to merely compete with MARVEL.
It's sadly just a giant dick measuring contest at the end of the day.

 

[spider-neil]

I'd say they're disappointed. If MOS had been a runaway financial smash and a critical success, they wouldn't have pulled the trigger on Batman this quick.

This move feels like it is purely out of desperation.

Or the feel they need to wheel out the big guns to compete with Marvel in 2015.

 

[Marvin]

I'd say they're disappointed. If MOS had been a runaway financial smash and a critical success, they wouldn't have pulled the trigger on Batman this quick.

This move feels like it is purely out of desperation.

So you think a pure Superman sequel has a shot at making more than avengers?

People make it sound like the studio was happier with begins's performance than MOS. Ignoring the idea that WB needs to compete with what Disney's strongest properties in one season(among others).

Some perspective here. In a universe where marvel isn't doing their thing and WB doesn't need to re-establish their batman leading in to a JLA in the near future. If WB did this, then I for one might be inclined to agree with the doom and gloom of wb's decision. However I for one am trying to see the big picture. MOS two never stood a chance of happening in traditional terms in this climate.

All that we can take away from this is that MOS didn't bomb and wb is moving forward(unlike say GL).

IM and Batman are two of the hottest properties out and people ignore that Superman's reboot coming off of crap is out grossing them both(in terms of first film and second in IM's case)

 

[ConnorKon-El]

So you think a pure Superman sequel has a shot at making more than avengers?

People make it sound like the studio was happier with begins's performance than MOS. Ignoring the idea that WB needs to compete with what Disney's strongest properties in one season(among others).

Some perspective here. In a universe where marvel isn't doing their thing and WB doesn't need to re-establish their batman leading in to a JLA in the near future. If WB did this, then I for one might be inclined to agree with the doom and gloom of wb's decision. However I for one am trying to see the big picture. MOS two never stood a chance of happening in traditional terms in this climate.

All that we can take away from this is that MOS didn't bomb and wb is moving forward(unlike say GL).

If WB was truly not happy with the final product and the box office results, would they have really hired the same director, same writer, and same cast again ?

 

[STARMAN]

The way I see it MOS did well enough to move forward with Cavill and start the DC shared universe. But I don't think they were confident enough to have MOS 2 be on its own and make a billion dollars.

The smart move is to have a hugely successful Superman/ Batman movie in order to truly springboard the DC universe.

 

[blumatic]

So you think a pure Superman sequel has a shot at making more than avengers?

People make it sound like the studio was happier with begins's performance than MOS. Ignoring the idea that WB needs to compete with what Disney's strongest properties in one season(among others).

Some perspective here. In a universe where marvel isn't doing their thing and WB doesn't need to re-establish their batman leading in to a JLA in the near future. If WB did this, then I for one might be inclined to agree with the doom and gloom of wb's decision. However I for one am trying to see the big picture. MOS two never stood a chance of happening in traditional terms in this climate.

All that we can take away from this is that MOS didn't bomb and wb is moving forward(unlike say GL).

Great points. So do you expect Spiderman 2 to struggle in this climate?

Or your point is that they want another billion dollar movie.

 

[spider-neil]

So you think a pure Superman sequel has a shot at making more than avengers?

People make it sound like the studio was happier with begins's performance than MOS. Ignoring the idea that WB needs to compete with what Disney's strongest properties in one season(among others).

Some perspective here. In a universe where marvel isn't doing their thing and WB doesn't need to re-establish their batman leading in to a JLA in the near future. If WB did this, then I for one might be inclined to agree with the doom and gloom of wb's decision. However I for one am trying to see the big picture. MOS two never stood a chance of happening in traditional terms in this climate.

All that we can take away from this is that MOS didn't bomb and wb is moving forward(unlike say GL).

IM and Batman are two of the hottest properties out and people ignore that Superman's reboot coming off of crap is out grossing them both(in terms of first film and second in IM's case)

MoS 2 (a solo Superman) would have done okay but not in 2015, just like ASM 2 would have struggled in 2015.

 

[blumatic]

The way I see it MOS did well enough to move forward with Cavill and start the DC shared universe. But I don't think they were confident enough to have MOS 2 be on its own and make a billion dollars.

The smart move is to have a hugely successful Superman/ Batman movie in order to truly springboard the DC universe.

That's the standard now. The billion dollar mark. Its a shame because Spiderman Thor Cap. USA and the 1st 2 Iron man's didn't make that.

MOS is the first major character not to make a billion since July 2012 now it's deemed disappointing.

SMH. Then you sacrifice one property and dilute another.

 

[MrMaooz]

That's the standard now. The billion dollar mark. Its a shame because Spiderman Thor Cap. USA and the 1st 2 Iron man's didn't make that.

MOS is the first major character not to make a billion since July 2012 now it's deemed disappointing.

SMH. Then you sacrifice one property and dilute another.

 

[spider-neil]

I think WB are going to distance themselves as far as possible from GL and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if the GL in JL wasn't Hal Jordan.

As for MoS 2, WB had to start the shared universe SOMETIME. 2014 is too soon for a Batman solo reboot or a solo DC hero. This is a shortcut more than anything else.

 

[Sabaoth]

If WB was truly not happy with the final product and the box office results, would they have really hired the same director, same writer, and same cast again ?

If WB was truly happy with the box office results then we would have had MOS2 announced yesterday.

 

[Sabaoth]

That's the standard now. The billion dollar mark. Its a shame because Spiderman Thor Cap. USA and the 1st 2 Iron man's didn't make that.

MOS is the first major character not to make a billion since July 2012 now it's deemed disappointing.

SMH. Then you sacrifice one property and dilute another.

^that.

 

[spider-neil]

If WB was truly happy with the box office results then we would have had MOS2 announced yesterday.

Technically they did. Watch the Synder comicon video.

 

[Sabaoth]

The way I see it MOS did well enough to move forward with Cavill and start the DC shared universe. But I don't think they were confident enough to have MOS 2 be on its own and make a billion dollars.

The smart move is to have a hugely successful Superman/ Batman movie in order to truly springboard the DC universe.

You're right.
It's so simple to see that.
Now why are so many drinking the Kool-Aid and stumbling around calling this MOS2?

 

[ConnorKon-El]

If WB was truly happy with the box office results then we would have had MOS2 announced yesterday.

But MOS2 featuring the badass Batman was announced yesterday silly !

 

[robot]

Tobias must be so happy to have one supporter in here. WB is very happy with MOS. This is still MOS2 but adding Batman helps set up JLA. Plus its what fans have been wanting. If they didnt do a WF movie now, we might never have seen one

Not a supporter of anyone. Neither am I a hater of anyone. Just saying it as I see it. Keeping it real.

Regardless of what WB was thinking, two things for sure:

1. They are not fully confident of an MOS 2, after the disappointing reviews from both critics and the GA.

2. They know bringing the Bat in would save the day...

And I agree. I like both Batman and Superman, so, it's a win-win for me. Though, I am a much bigger Superman fan... This would also fast-track JL... they might even put in a few cameos of other super-heroes...

 

[Marvin]

Great points. So do you expect Spiderman 2 to struggle in this climate?

Or your point is that they want another billion dollar movie.

Sony doesn't have the cross over options that WB/DC has for one so they are stuck on their path. And to answer your question, ASM 2 will do about as much as MOS2 would do without batman, though I think with the universe building MOS2 would have trumped it.

Here's my stance.
I think WB looked at how well TDK(with ledger) and TDKR(without ledger) did in the face of marvel films, pretty darn great. Then they looked at how well these two bad boys did in the face of Avengers and they quickly had a board meeting. It's not just that the huge batfilms didn't make as much money as Avengers and all the residual profits going forward that avengers has allowed(a raccoon movie), it's that they got out buzzed that year and pretty darn soundly.
Everyone was talking about the Avengers event and as as good as TDKR was(to some), not as many people were talking about Batman. Why go through that again when you can side step it.

If this Con has demonstrated anything it's that WB has the cards to out play Marvel. WF kills so many birds with one stone and what's more it doesn't completely compromise the superman story/journey in a way JLA would. And the studio wanted a jla film for 2015 this is known. I think with Nolan out of their way(dude didn't want to share), plus the need to restart batman that will guarantee success, WF is just a given.

The best part is, WB hasn't even blown it's load yet. They can save their big JLA announcement for 2 cons from now and still have escalation. Marvel can't do that. Next con look for more dcu character announcements. and then in 2015 that jla bomb with drop and the con will be over.

WB played this right imo. Business wise things are looking up. Especially when WF out grosses Avengers two. Maybe they just got tired of all the bloggers calling them fools in light of Marvel's tactics.

 

[Gur-Ak]

Latest box office with updated OS gross:

Budget: $225,000,000

Domestic: $285,021,000 as of Jul. 21, 2013 (44.9%)
+ Foreign: $350,000,000 as of Jul. 21, 2013 (55.1%)

= Worldwide: $635,021,000

In Release: 38 days / 5.4 weeks

 

[Marvin]

Regardless of what WB was thinking, two things for sure:

1. They are not fully confident of an MOS 2, after the disappointing reviews from both critics and the GA.

I just don't get this. I mean this would be like saying paramount wasn't pleased with Transformers cause the critics and "the GA" panned it.
It's almost the same amount of success.

 

[ConnorKon-El]

I just don't get this. I mean this would be like saying paramount wasn't pleased with Transformers cause the critics and "the GA" panned it.
It's almost the same amount of success.

Lol I know.

 

[Glassjaw]

The way I see it MOS did well enough to move forward with Cavill and start the DC shared universe. But I don't think they were confident enough to have MOS 2 be on its own and make a billion dollars.

The smart move is to have a hugely successful Superman/ Batman movie in order to truly springboard the DC universe.

You're right.
It's so simple to see that.
Now why are so many drinking the Kool-Aid and stumbling around calling this MOS2?

Yeah that's how I see it. Nothing about this announcement (as exciting as it is) screams 'MoS2 in all but name' to me, nor does anything about the content of MoS itself (how it ends, where his character could go from there etc).

After all the talk of 'by the end of MoS, he's not the Superman we know yet, he'll get there in the sequal' I'm pretty sure people weren't talking about him getting there in a team up film.

 

[Tra-El]

From day 1, MOS was to be the benchmark and the success's of MOS was to be the spring to the DCU. What's the confusion? DC is killing two birds with one stone. This IS the MOS sequel that propels the ongoing story with the introduction of the new Bats and the Justice League. This was the plan the entire time. They are just writing Wayne INTO the sequel. It's still Superman's movie.

 

[dalonewolf]

Boy you certainly like to go big lol!

dude batman are u kidding me anyone who says this movie will make less than a billion is insane 1bil will be the floor for this one trust me everyone knows batman can make a billion alone put him with superman and u have a hell of a hit

 

[ModernClarkKent]

$700 mil ceiling?

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

From day 1, MOS was to be the benchmark and the success's of MOS was to be the spring to the DCU. What's the confusion? DC is killing two birds with one stone. This IS the MOS sequel that propels the ongoing story with the introduction of the new Bats and the Justice League. This was the plan the entire time. They are just writing Wayne INTO the sequel. It's still Superman's movie.

Everyone on the Internet and media seems to get that, only some on this board refuse to recognize its a sequel.
And why is a billion the benchmark all of a sudden. I have seen nobody say MOS is a disappointment because it didn't make a billion dollars. Out of the numerous CBMs we have gotten what percentage of them made 1 billon dollars? I believe TDK, Avengers and IM3 are the only one's. There is no guarantee Avengers 2 will make a billion or MOS2/w Batman.