Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - Part 13

[Sup3rman81]

Not a supporter of anyone. Neither am I a hater of anyone. Just saying it as I see it. Keeping it real.

Regardless of what WB was thinking, two things for sure:

1. They are not fully confident of an MOS 2, after the disappointing reviews from both critics and the GA.

2. They know bringing the Bat in would save the day...

And I agree. I like both Batman and Superman, so, it's a win-win for me. Though, I am a much bigger Superman fan... This would also fast-track JL... they might even put in a few cameos of other super-heroes...

MOS could have had raving reviews but SR numbers and WB would have been disappointed. WB isn't disappointed in MoS. The GA liked the movie so get the facts right. Critics are the ones who scored it low. Check the viewer ratings and you will see that it has great numbers.

 

[InJustice]

Not a supporter of anyone. Neither am I a hater of anyone. Just saying it as I see it. Keeping it real.

Regardless of what WB was thinking, two things for sure:

1. They are not fully confident of an MOS 2, after the disappointing reviews from both critics and the GA.

2. They know bringing the Bat in would save the day...

And I agree. I like both Batman and Superman, so, it's a win-win for me. Though, I am a much bigger Superman fan... This would also fast-track JL... they might even put in a few cameos of other super-heroes...

By that logic, why didn't they have faith in Superman Returns when critics LOVED the film? WB doesn't give a **** about critics, they care about the money that comes with their properties.

 

[dalonewolf]

I think MOS2 with Batman can beat Avengers 2 and I still feel it could reach 2B

people don't realize how big batman really is
if it was any other dc character then ill say the roof will be 1.2bil
but batman dude this movie will be very big
people who are not comic fans love batman and the critics

 

[antonydelfini]

By that logic, why didn't they have faith in Superman Returns when critics LOVED the film? WB doesn't give a **** about critics, they care about the money that comes with their properties.

Exactly.

 

[Sup3rman81]

By that logic, why didn't they have faith in Superman Returns when critics LOVED the film? WB doesn't give a **** about critics, they care about the money that comes with their properties.

Exactly! I love the people who continue to to say WB isn't pleased with MOS

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Why do people think movie studios care about critics reviews! If that were true Adam Sandler would be out of a career and Transformers would have only one movie. Critics do not write their paychecks, the audience does and the audience gave them over $600 million worth of reasons to be happy with MOS. if the movie had been done better it might have easily crossed $300 million domestically, but despite that it is still a success.

 

[epc11223]

By that logic, why didn't they have faith in Superman Returns when critics LOVED the film? WB doesn't give a **** about critics, they care about the money that comes with their properties.

they dont necessarily care about what the critics say, but the critics response seems to be the same sentiments of the general audience in that man of steel has a superman that's a bit too mopey and too much fighting. now i loved man of steel and saw it 6 times, but i don't think that the general audience was as enamored with the movie as a lot of the fan boys. i'm a bit disappointed that we're not getting a full mos2 sequel without other dc characters in it, but i'm trying to think of the news as john byrns man of steel book in which batman appeared in it. i think it was chapter 2 or three? i definitely think this is the strategy that dc is going with because man of steel is successful, but not as successful as some of the other franchises like iron man, spiderman, batman, and avengers. i also think that man of steel being 2 and a half hours didn't help it either because it couldn't get in as many showings and some people thought that there was about a half hour of too much fighting. can't wait to be able to watch the movie at home though ) either way, i can't wait for man of steel 2 but hope batman isn't considered superior to superman. i have a feeling that batman isn't going to trust superman because superman killed zod but it will end up in a partnership where they say how it was good to work together.

 

[roach]

Time for a reality check...
MOS did better than every Marvel movie other than Avengers and IM3. No one at WB is concerned about what the critics said. Money speaks louder than critics...just ask Michael Bay.
MOS2. Batman/Superman, Superman/Batman, Super BFF's for life...what ever the title of this movie will be is the smartest thing for WB to do.
1) They get to give the GA more Man of Steel
2) They get the ball rolling on the DC Cinematic Universe
3) They get to introduce the new Batman
4) Batman and Superman in the same movie

WB gets to do their 'Avengers' without actually doing Justice League. It will also be able to compete in the already cutthroat 2015 summer movie season (Avenger 2, Episode 7, ID42)

 

[Marvin]

WB just pulled the equivalent to making a Spiderman/Wolverine cross over.
Gone are the days when marvel studios oversells their blist cross overs. WB doesn't have the limitations all other studios do. I commend that studio for the genius they have employed thus far but it's just do interesting to see WB just start tapping into their freakish potential with just an announcement and nothing more.

 

[Frodo]

MOS could have had raving reviews but SR numbers and WB would have been disappointed. WB isn't disappointed in MoS. The GA liked the movie so get the facts right. Critics are the ones who scored it low. Check the viewer ratings and you will see that it has great numbers.

I agree. I thought the whole " MOS was a disappointment and there wont be a sequel" talk would be put to bed with this announcement , but I guess some fans are trying to spin it another way.

The moral of the story is ...you aren't gonna please everyone. Fanboys are usually gonna be split on these type of films anyway, so using them as gauge to determine what's best for a franchise isn't always the best idea.

I'm sure WB would have liked better critical reception to MOS , but the dollar speaks a lot louder to them then the pen does.

 

[Sup3rman81]

I agree. I thought the whole " MOS was a disappointment and there wont be a sequel" talk would be put to bed with this announcement , but I guess some fans are trying to spin it another way.

The moral of the story is ...you aren't gonna please everyone. Fanboys are usually gonna be split on these type of films anyway, so using them as gauge to determine what's best for a franchise isn't always the best idea.

I'm sure WB would have liked better critical reception to MOS , but the dollar speaks a lot louder to them then the pen does.

Yea if WB was truly disappointed then Snyder would not be coming back. MOS2 will set records and even if its not a movie with just Superman it is still a Superman movie first with Batman co starring.

 

[Andreth]

Haters are gonna hate and blame it on MoS's "failure" at the box office.

If they were disappointed they'd change the cast and crew. And what did they do? they brough back the same team.

All I see is WB making this decision from a business standpoint. Yes, many were expecting a MoS trilogy first, but let's be real, times have changed, other franchises are dominating the big screen, waiting for another MoS would keep on delaying the shared universe they're trying to create and have been trying to create for years, the competition is stiff and they want to capitalize NOW on the opportunity.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

What is ID42? I hope it's not what I think it is.
Also so MOS just didn't pass 2 Marvel movies out of 7 or 9 movies? Yeah that's a real disappointment. And seeing as how Superman hadn't had a decent movie since 1980, I say he is on an even playing field with the unknowns like Ironman, Capt America and Thor.

 

[Marvin]

I agree. I thought the whole " MOS was a disappointment and there wont be a sequel" talk would be put to bed with this announcement , but I guess some fans are trying to spin it another way.

Some people have been spinning every single development in their own way. Agenda run amok.

 

[robot]

MOS could have had raving reviews but SR numbers and WB would have been disappointed. WB isn't disappointed in MoS. The GA liked the movie so get the facts right. Critics are the ones who scored it low. Check the viewer ratings and you will see that it has great numbers.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but MOS had the weakest legs of the summer, thus, weak GA support beyond the initial hype... I am the biggest Superman fan and have personally dragged over a dozen of my friends to see the movie.. and it's pretty mixed (same as the critics).

Don't get me wrong, I personally thought it was still the best movie of the year...

And there is a real risk (whether you would want to believe it or not) that MOS 2 might fail by itself (even though MOS did pretty good box office wise).

Bringing in the Bat was a good insurance policy...

And of course WB cares only about money.. (and they obviously didn't think MOS2 would make it)

BTW: Spinning goes both ways... Looks like now people are spinning 'WF' into MOS2...

 

[InJustice]

they dont necessarily care about what the critics say, but the critics response seems to be the same sentiments of the general audience in that man of steel has a superman that's a bit too mopey and too much fighting.

WB still doesn't care about that since they pocketed about 630+mil with one more market to open to. In terms of the critiques, Superman being mopey makes no sense given what Man of Steel accomplished, and the fighting may likely be scaled down to be intimate and personal (Batman being there allows you to match the epic scale of MOS without having to blow your load on CGI explosions). If anything, the fact that they kept Snyder and Goyer around in terms of their creative decisions lends credence to the idea that WB is 100% sold on what they want to do (as opposed to the 90s when they had heavy influences in crapifying the Batman franchise for the sake of selling toys and marketing to children).

now i loved man of steel and saw it 6 times, but i don't think that the general audience was as enamored with the movie as a lot of the fan boys. i'm a bit disappointed that we're not getting a full mos2 sequel without other dc characters in it, but i'm trying to think of the news as john byrns man of steel book in which batman appeared in it. i think it was chapter 2 or three? i definitely think this is the strategy that dc is going with because man of steel is successful, but not as successful as some of the other franchises like iron man, spiderman, batman, and avengers.

Can we see what they're going to do with the sequel first before we start getting disappointed? We're jumping the gun way too early when there's 2 years left until release date. As for your logic pertaining to other franchises, it doesn't make sense, because that's saying that Iron Man not successful as its own character so it had to depend on Avengers characters to boost IM2? The point is that WB wants to create their shared universe, and doing it while working on Superman sounds like a decent idea, so let's see what they do.

i also think that man of steel being 2 and a half hours didn't help it either because it couldn't get in as many showings and some people thought that there was about a half hour of too much fighting. can't wait to be able to watch the movie at home though ) either way, i can't wait for man of steel 2 but hope batman isn't considered superior to superman. i have a feeling that batman isn't going to trust superman because superman killed zod but it will end up in a partnership where they say how it was good to work together.

TDKR and TDK were well over 2.5 hours and people still went to as many showings. And I can understand the concern for Batman being better than Superman, but Goyer is likely to stay true to the comics, meaning that Superman and Batman will be portrayed as equals (World's Finest issues and John Byrne's chapters should be the inspiration anyways). And Snyder is a Superman fanboy, so I don't think he's going to neuter Superman just to make Batman cool. I can trust him to be objective unless trailers and teasers say otherwise.

 

[epc11223]

i think man of steel should definitely be considered a success because it spearheaded the dc cinematic universe. if it was like the green lantern, we definitely wouldn't be getting a superman/batman team up movie. they probably would have went with a batman beyond type reboot movie. i just think that if there was a little better reception to man of steel, i don't think batman would have been included in the 2015 movie. i think we'd get man of steel 2 in 2015, worlds finest in 2016, flash 2017, justice league 2018, then wonder woman and aquaman. i think everything is pushed up more because while man of steel is a success, it's not a juggernaut success like they were probably hoping for. unfortunately i think batman being included into man of steel 2 is going to do what heath ledger dying did for the dark knight and put it over the top. for box office i think it's going to be avengers 2, stars wars 7, then worlds finest. similar to how iron man 3 beat man of steel at the box office this year. i do think all three will cross the billion mark and deemed a success.

 

[Marvin]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but MOS had the weakest legs of the summer, thus, weak GA support beyond the initial hype...

Really....

BTW: Spinning goes both ways... Looks like now people are spinning 'WF' into MOS2...

Well Zack Snyder kinda called it the superman sequel...

 

[roach]

What is ID42? I hope it's not what I think it is.
Also so MOS just didn't pass 2 Marvel movies out of 7 or 9 movies? Yeah that's a real disappointment. And seeing as how Superman hadn't had a decent movie since 1980, I say he is on an even playing field with the unknowns like Ironman, Capt America and Thor.

ID42 = Independence Day 2

 

[blumatic]

TASM made 262 million domestically. MOS in 38 days made 285.

Its not that MOS is a failure. WB wants the billion dollar mark. That's all.

 

[epc11223]

WB still doesn't care about that since they pocketed about 630+mil with one more market to open to. In terms of the critiques, Superman being mopey makes no sense given what Man of Steel accomplished, and the fighting may likely be scaled down to be intimate and personal (Batman being there allows you to match the epic scale of MOS without having to blow your load on CGI explosions). If anything, the fact that they kept Snyder and Goyer around in terms of their creative decisions lends credence to the idea that WB is 100% sold on what they want to do (as opposed to the 90s when they had heavy influences in crapifying the Batman franchise for the sake of selling toys and marketing to children).



Can we see what they're going to do with the sequel first before we start getting disappointed? We're jumping the gun way too early when there's 2 years left until release date. As for your logic pertaining to other franchises, it doesn't make sense, because that's saying that Iron Man not successful as its own character so it had to depend on Avengers characters to boost IM2? The point is that WB wants to create their shared universe, and doing it while working on Superman sounds like a decent idea, so let's see what they do.



TDKR and TDK were well over 2.5 hours and people still went to as many showings. And I can understand the concern for Batman being better than Superman, but Goyer is likely to stay true to the comics, meaning that Superman and Batman will be portrayed as equals (World's Finest issues and John Byrne's chapters should be the inspiration anyways). And Snyder is a Superman fanboy, so I don't think he's going to neuter Superman just to make Batman cool. I can trust him to be objective unless trailers and teasers say otherwise.

when it comes to marvel movies, there is definitely a love of iron man and i think the first movie really did resonate with the critics and the general audience. iron man 2 and war machine and some other marvel characters but i wouldn't put war machine as the same level as batman. i think iron man 3 did extremely well because it was coming off of the avengers. i'm pretty curious how the sequels to captain america and thor perform at the box office. i also think at this point, batman and spiderman are more popular than superman. in my opinion it's quite unfortunate becuase i think superman is the best, but what are you going to do. i think batman is the most popular single character right now and that is why he's being put into man of steel 2. i really hope that he doesn't overshadow superman, and it's a great way to reintroduce a new batman from the past trilogy, but i would have liked a straight up sequel to man of steel, but i do think that wb would have liked it to do somewhat better at the box office. definitely happy to be seeing a new superman movie! oh and as far as superman returns, the critics liked it but it didn't resonate with the general audience. iron man, batman, and avengers resonated with both, so that certainly helped the box office.

 

[epc11223]

TASM made 262 million domestically. MOS in 38 days made 285.

Its not that MOS is a failure. WB wants the billion dollar mark. That's all.

yeah, i definitely agree with this.

 

[Sabaoth]

Its not that MOS is a failure. WB wants the billion dollar mark. That's all.

Exactly.
I remember the days when any movie that hit 100 domestic was considered a blockbuster....

 

[blumatic]

To add... TASM and MOS came out mid June. Its probably a bad time slot to make a killing when summer films are in full flux. Marvel always comes out in May... alone.

Batman came out in July alone.

 

[FlawlessVictory]

Exactly.
I remember the days when any movie that hit 100 domestic was considered a blockbuster....

Yup. And there were only a few big movies released for the entire summer. Now you get a big movie released every other week during the summer.