Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - - - - - Part 14

[JKKS085]

Let me answer this will you ?

Are u unsatisfied???

I am.

If so why???

Because MoS was an overall lackluster film but somehow a decent base to develope upon. Because MoS had a lot of issues that needed to be adressed in a proper sequel. Because Snyder and Goyer wanted at least another solo film before taking the crossover road.

the rest of the world seem to be going crazy over superman/batman news

Good for them. That's not exactly the impression I'm getting when it comes to cbm fans though. I see excitement but a lot of legitimate concern too.

we all know we are getting a mos 2

No we're not. What we're getting is a rushed crossover that was forced on the creators of the MoSverse. With WF out in 2015, JL planned for 2017, we won't be seing another Superman solo film for quite awhile.

just not as fast as most people wanted the WF announcement is to speed of the progress on JL.

Good for WB.

im glad WB/DC is finally stepping things up

Good for you.

and character development Sucks we all know who superman is by now just like batman

If you think character development sucks maybe you should consider switching hobby. No matter how many people knowing who Batman and Superman are they still need prop character arcs, decent developements and themes to be interesting. That's called storytelling.

This superman is for this generation

If by "this generation" you mean people who think character development sucks, with very little standards regarding coherent storytelling then you're right. It just doesn't serve the character all in all.

and many people can't get the donner flims out of thier minds

I don't think that's relevant to the point discussed here. Many people couldn't get the Burton films out of their mind and yet Nolan had room to show an entirely different vision of the character and get some goodwill from the audience. In the end, it all comes down to what the film has to offer.

 

[dnno1]

The rumors are not true, though
(one source: http://movies.cosmicbooknews.com/co...ered-50-million-batman-no-100-million-hugh-ja)

I wonder then, how the general audience will react to a new Bruce.

There is another report coming from the UK's The Sun that Bale was offered a little over $60 million to reprise his role. The Sun indicated that their source told them that (as if it were a physical person and not some book).

 

[Marvin]

WB does have plans on launching into a new Batman trilogy(and league films).
Pretty sure that wouldn't happen with Bale(Nolan or not).

Why believe these bale rumors?

 

[dalonewolf]

Let me answer this will you ?



I am.



Because MoS was an overall lackluster film but somehow a decent base to develope upon. Because MoS had a lot of issues that needed to be adressed in a proper sequel. Because Snyder and Goyer wanted at least another solo film before taking the crossover road.

Dose'nt every superhero flim don't get me wrong but even the avengers had problems with it and let's not talk about iron man 3 that twist just took me out of the movie
Atleast this mos stayed true to superman



Good for them. That's not exactly the impression I'm getting when it comes to cbm fans though. I see excitement but a lot of legitimate concern too.

Concern only for the nonbelievers
Whats the point of having characters like batman and superman if your not gonna do them right the world had to know this was coming
whats a nightmare to you is a dream for millions


No we're not. What we're getting is a rushed crossover that was forced on the creators of the MoSverse. With WF out in 2015, JL planned for 2017, we won't be seing another Superman solo film for quite awhile.
Seeing superman in WF and Justice League should be enough to satisfy even the nonbelievers if we get 2 other dc characters flim to launch within these next 5 years the dc cbmu will be officially in faze 2 with mos 2 and batman reboot thats sounds like a plan to me


Good for WB.



Good for you.



If you think character development sucks maybe you should consider switching hobby. No matter how many people knowing who Batman and Superman are they still need prop character arcs, decent developements and themes to be interesting. That's called storytelling.
I understand how you feel about my opinion but think about it if ever cbm start off the same way wouldn't it get old and then it will be even harder to make a cbm into a good story
zynder and co tried to go at it on a different view
and I respect them for this
if you watch iron man 3 you wioo get felling you was still watching ironman 1
with mos it felt as if I havent seen this before but SR felt as if I was watching superman 1
so SR stuck to the same direction which a lot of the older generation 34 and older enjoyed
and MOS went in a different approach to aim at the younger crowd 30 and under.
which one of these movies was sussessful? Surely wasn't SR



If by "this generation" you mean people who think character development sucks, with very little standards regarding coherent storytelling then you're right. It just doesn't serve the character all in all.

Let me answer this will you ?



I am.



Because MoS was an overall lackluster film but somehow a decent base to develope upon. Because MoS had a lot of issues that needed to be adressed in a proper sequel. Because Snyder and Goyer wanted at least another solo film before taking the crossover road.

Dose'nt every superhero flim don't get me wrong but even the avengers had problems with it and let's not talk about iron man 3 that twist just took me out of the movie
Atleast this mos stayed true to superman



Good for them. That's not exactly the impression I'm getting when it comes to cbm fans though. I see excitement but a lot of legitimate concern too.

Concern only for the nonbelievers
Whats the point of having characters like batman and superman if your not gonna do them right the world had to know this was coming
whats a nightmare to you is a dream for millions


No we're not. What we're getting is a rushed crossover that was forced on the creators of the MoSverse. With WF out in 2015, JL planned for 2017, we won't be seing another Superman solo film for quite awhile.
Seeing superman in WF and Justice League should be enough to satisfy even the nonbelievers if we get 2 other dc characters flim to launch within these next 5 years the dc cbmu will be officially in faze 2 with mos 2 and batman reboot thats sounds like a plan to me


Good for WB.



Good for you.



If you think character development sucks maybe you should consider switching hobby. No matter how many people knowing who Batman and Superman are they still need prop character arcs, decent developements and themes to be interesting. That's called storytelling.
I understand how you feel about my opinion but think about it if ever cbm start off the same way wouldn't it get old and then it will be even harder to make a cbm into a good story
zynder and co tried to go at it on a different view
and I respect them for this
if you watch iron man 3 you wioo get felling you was still watching ironman 1
with mos it felt as if I havent seen this before but SR felt as if I was watching superman 1
so SR stuck to the same direction which a lot of the older generation 34 and older enjoyed
and MOS went in a different approach to aim at the younger crowd 30 and under.
which one of these movies was sussessful? Surely wasn't SR



If by "this generation" you mean people who think character development sucks, with very little standards regarding coherent storytelling then you're right. It just doesn't serve the character all in all.

Let me answer this will you ?



I am.



Because MoS was an overall lackluster film but somehow a decent base to develope upon. Because MoS had a lot of issues that needed to be adressed in a proper sequel. Because Snyder and Goyer wanted at least another solo film before taking the crossover road.

Dose'nt every superhero flim don't get me wrong but even the avengers had problems with it and let's not talk about iron man 3 that twist just took me out of the movie
Atleast this mos stayed true to superman



Good for them. That's not exactly the impression I'm getting when it comes to cbm fans though. I see excitement but a lot of legitimate concern too.

Concern only for the nonbelievers
Whats the point of having characters like batman and superman if your not gonna do them right the world had to know this was coming
whats a nightmare to you is a dream for millions


No we're not. What we're getting is a rushed crossover that was forced on the creators of the MoSverse. With WF out in 2015, JL planned for 2017, we won't be seing another Superman solo film for quite awhile.
Seeing superman in WF and Justice League should be enough to satisfy even the nonbelievers if we get 2 other dc characters flim to launch within these next 5 years the dc cbmu will be officially in faze 2 with mos 2 and batman reboot thats sounds like a plan to me


Good for WB.



Good for you.



If you think character development sucks maybe you should consider switching hobby. No matter how many people knowing who Batman and Superman are they still need prop character arcs, decent developements and themes to be interesting. That's called storytelling.
I understand how you feel about my opinion but think about it if ever cbm start off the same way wouldn't it get old and then it will be even harder to make a cbm into a good story
zynder and co tried to go at it on a different view
and I respect them for this
if you watch iron man 3 you wioo get felling you was still watching ironman 1
with mos it felt as if I havent seen this before but SR felt as if I was watching superman 1
so SR stuck to the same direction which a lot of the older generation 34 and older enjoyed
and MOS went in a different approach to aim at the younger crowd 30 and under.
which one of these movies was sussessful? Surely wasn't SR



If by "this generation" you mean people who think character development sucks, with very little standards regarding coherent storytelling then you're right. It just doesn't serve the character all in all.

^^^^^

I don't think that's relevant to the point discussed here. Many people couldn't get the Burton films out of their mind and yet Nolan had room to show an entirely different vision of the character and get some goodwill from the audience. In the end, it all comes to what the film has to offer.

To be honest nolans batman isnt batman its his own made of version of the character I enjoyed it because its batman but I would have loved it if it was batman
Get it?


I don't think that's relevant to the point discussed here. Many people couldn't get the Burton films out of their mind and yet Nolan had room to show an entirely different vision of the character and get some goodwill from the audience. In the end, it all comes to what the film has to offer.

I don't think that's relevant to the point discussed here. Many people couldn't get the Burton films out of their mind and yet Nolan had room to show an entirely different vision of the character and get some goodwill from the audience. In the end, it all comes to what the film has to offer.

Lets face it SUPERMAN/BATMAN is a masterpiece in the making I really think it's gonna pull better numbers than the actual JL movie its WB plan and I like it tried of seeing dc do STANDALONE CBM and dont have any plans to bring them together I say its about god@am time
DC ruled the cbm universe and now they have feel far behind all becuse of one fail superman movie and a made up batman out of nolans mind
dont get me wrong im not saying they did a bad job to batman nore was it a bad ideal but lets face it WB screwed up when they put batman in the hands of nolan because all these years have been devoted to batman which all 3 flims made about 2.4billion but if they would have out thier expanded universe in play instead thier profits would have been triple that by now

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

That's funny when someone talks about "CBM" fans not wanting the movie that we are getting. It's funny because it's not true. I guess when said person has talked to 5 of his/her friends and they say they don't want this movie, I guess that means that ALL "CBM" fans don't want it.

 

[Stephen K. Hone]

Why believe these bale rumors?

Probably because these rumors aren't beyond the realm of possibility.

 

[Kryptonian Warrior]

I don't think it's very likely that he'll return, but It's still very possible. Personally I'm torn. I loved Bale as Bruce Wayne/Batman, but at the same time, I would love to see someone else take up the mantle of The Bat.

 

[echostation]

it wouldn't make sense for bale to come in. The entire time Bane hijacked the city, Clark would have easily helped out during that time and saved pretty much everyone. The two universes are totally separate.

They need to move on with a newer face for Dick Wayne

 

[hurley711]

As a non comic book fan who watches most of the CBM I feel like the WB is rushing things. MOS felt like 2 films slammed into one with a lack of character development. They made it seem like hey the general public knows all of the main characters involved let's just move along without allowing us to see these actors make the characters their own. MOS2 also feels a bit rushed, like WB feels Marvel is so far ahead with their plan that they have to catch up quickly. Just feels forced

 

[Kryptonian Titan]

Let me answer this will you ?


No we're not. What we're getting is a rushed crossover that was forced on the creators of the MoSverse. With WF out in 2015, JL planned for 2017, we won't be seing another Superman solo film for quite awhile.

This, which is pretty obvious. Too bad some fanboys still insist on denying it.

 

[Marvin]

As a non comic book fan who watches most of the CBM I feel like the WB is rushing things. MOS felt like 2 films slammed into one with a lack of character development. They made it seem like hey the general public knows all of the main characters involved let's just move along without allowing us to see these actors make the characters their own. MOS2 also feels a bit rushed, like WB feels Marvel is so far ahead with their plan that they have to catch up quickly. Just feels forced

I for one am glad MOS committed to focusing on everything before Kent in the DailyPlanet. I think had they gone the route of the older films then things feel jolted and forced. Such as Superman flying around the city saving a few people serving the purpose of establishing him to the world.

To me it's the Donner film that feels like 2 or 3 films crammed together. However I don't think the unconventional narrative and editing of MOS did it any favors in this regard.

 

[sf2]

ITA.

The additional problem with WF is, if it does huge, who will get the credit from WB?

Batman. Which means that energizes WB to immediately do a solo Batman flick and quickly do another team film with JL.

MOS/Superman gets lost in the process and the franchise could well stall out as WB focuses on Batman and the other heroes in the JL film.

Think of it this way - a JL in 2018. The earliest they could get back to MOS2 is 6 or 7 years but that is too long and gap. MOS will be long forgottten and its back to a reboot.

WB has messed this up from the start.

Pacific Rim got the better July release date MOS should have gotten. MOS was pulled by WB from IMAX in favor of PR. With a July release and a longer IMAX run MOS could have done 300 million.

I know WB wants to turn PR into a franchise but though its done OK, it is not going to be this mega-franchise WB seems to have expected. Expecting that was as bad as WB expecting MOS to do 1 billion or 800 million. whichever it is.

Tend to agree with this.
Let wait n see what r the story n direction of this SvB.

 

[sf2]

This, which is pretty obvious. Too bad some fanboys still insist on denying it.

*Agree completely that What we're getting is a rushed crossover that was forced on the creators of the MoSverse.

By the end of the movie, we were getting so hype up. We thought in the sequel MOS2, we gonna see the full life of the mild reporter clark kent, we gonna get the legendary shirt ripoff, we gonna see the classic saving deeds, we gonna see the flirting between lois n clark, we gonna see superman in full glory n people embrace him finally...

But wait... we got the badazz batman stealing the thunders. the gimmicky cool gadgets, the revolutionary cars, planes n bikes, together with the hot n sexy bimbos, n the colorful villains.

Yuck.

 

[tomoe]

I think if they did convince Bale to come back, however many truckloads of money they threw at him would be worth it. Hype would go up astronomically if he was back as Batman instead of some new untested Batman. Even my own interest would ratchet up slightly instead of being down in the dumps like it is now. And I think opening weekend would actually have a chance at competing with Avengers 2's.

I also don't think it will be an old crotchety Batman they'll be portraying either. Wasn't part of the idea for WF to set up Batman's own new series as well as JL? How well would that work if he was old?

 

[JOE]

Bale can and has portrayed an old crotchety Batman at the beginning of TDKR.

 

[Marvin]

So wait, people actually think Bale will come back for another trilogy?

 

[sf2]

So wait, people actually think Bale will come back for another trilogy?

Money is the root of all evil.

 

[Super Kal]

Money is the root of all evil.

no, but the lust of money is...

 

[GreenKToo]

Alot of Superman fans may not want a Batman/Superman film, but I bet you that the public, you know, the ones who make or break a film, will pay boatloads of cash to see this.
so it doesnt really matter if we want it or not, its happening.
whine or be onboard, it matters not.

 

[JKKS085]

WB screwed up when they put batman in the hands of nolan

Yeeeaaaah sure ... I think I'm done

 

[Marvin]

Superman fans want an WF film as much as Ironman fans want a HulkIronman or Wolverine Ironman film.

Plenty.
they are just doing that things fans do.

 

[X Knight]

I want a Superman/Batman film.......

I just don't want Superman to get shortchanged in favor of Batman.

 

[kalelvis]

I don't think that it was an accident that this movie series has the same title as the John Byrne reboot and so far it is following the structure (not story so much) but structure of that comic relaunch. First issue, get him in the suit, second issue get him in Metropolis, third issue, have him meet Batman for the first time. If anything they are combining the second and third volumes of that series. Again this is only structurally and not direct story.

While i do think that there was little in the way of a plan after this movie and just some general brainstorming ("Hey what if we have [fill in the blank] happen") there is no reason that they can't make a movie with Superman and Batman work and work well.

I've said it in other posts but i will repeat myself here, there are a list of things that I want to see happen in the next Superman movie: Clark developing his "reporter" skills and repartee at the Planet, Lois and Clark developing their relationship, and Superman defining his role in the world. For me there is no reason these things can't happen in a film that includes Batman. Make Batman the story Clark is pursuing and the rest of the story kind of takes care of it self.

 

[Ita-KalEl]

I really don't understand why Tobias still complains. He was so worried about the possibility of the "Tomb Raider'curse", now we are sure that with Superman/Batman big box office numbers are quite sure.

Now he is riding the theory of Supes/Batman in development hell and canceled to promote another Batman Trilogy or maybe a JLA without Superman. Oooook!

 

[Stoic]

Alot of Superman fans may not want a Batman/Superman film, but I bet you that the public, you know, the ones who make or break a film, will pay boatloads of cash to see this.
so it doesnt really matter if we want it or not, its happening.
whine or be onboard, it matters not.

Ding ding ding! Since when does WB or any movie studio give a damn about what the fans say or want. General Audience brings in the money therefore that is to whom they listen.