Man of Steel Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 8

[Tobias]

Does anyone know what SR did in Japan? I ask as so far it's doing pretty good in China. STID ended up with 54 million or so there so maybe MOS will come close to that.

50 million in China plus - I am guessing (??) - 25 million in Japan is a big chunk of change.

Don't know what to expect from Australia. Henry is a citizen of the Commonwealth so that may help and there is Crow to boot. An Australian. I'm thinking it should match and surpass a little SR's numbers. Same for New Zealand. The Henry/Commonwealth thing.

 

[Tra-El]

Cavill didn't have much to work with to be honest. His character really didn't have any kind of personality. He was a brooder...much like Batman.

But that is the Clark Kent story that was being told. His whole backstory and origin was being raised by an Earthling family as a little boy experiencing these incredible powers and being told he was NOT one of us and he cannot use his powers until the right time to make a choice. He experiences death to his loved ones because of all of this so the Superman story was meant to be deep and brooder.

Clark was a distanced character and Cavill played it as such (perfectly.)

Did anybody see Daily Planet Clark Kent's smile? "Welcome to the Planet." He finally accepted it with a nice big 'ol smile. That's what's coming. It's so obvious and people refuse to see it.

 

[br0adband]

Does anyone know what SR did in Japan? I ask as so far it's doing pretty good in China. STID ended up with 54 million or so there so maybe MOS will come close to that.

50 million in China plus - I am guessing (??) - 25 million in Japan is a big chunk of change.

Don't know what to expect from Australia. Henry is a citizen of the Commonwealth so that may help and there is Crow to boot. An Australian. I'm thinking it should match and surpass a little SR's numbers. Same for New Zealand. The Henry/Commonwealth thing.

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=JP&id=superman06.htm

Of course, you're certain you wanted that info about Superman Returns and not MoS, right, because MoS still has rather limited exposure:

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=superman2012.htm

 

[Tra-El]

/me sits back and just laughs knowing that somewhere Snyder and Goyer are both laughing themselves because they wrote this movie in this manner and made it this way on purpose so that people would end up discussing it ad nauseum and nitpicking everything just to provoke the intentional "It's just bad writing..." attitude so that when the next movie comes out everyone's mind is freakin' blown wide open...

Hey, I've seen stranger things happen.

BINGO! I touched on this on another forum, so I'm just going to copy and paste my post there:

But it's supposed to be (controversial.) That's the point to updating the character and making him as MODERN in a real life setting as possible. You don't think Snyder and Goyer understood there would be backlash amongst fans (we live in a fanboy community, what do you expect?) Snyder said it since the beginning "I will NOT apologize for my Superman" and this is the first change to the character in 3+ decades. Of course this is going to be looked at different. Thing is, people are talking about Superman again and there is room for improvement. MOS is simply the origin story the character needed. To me, it's a FANTASTIC start.

 

[Tony Stark]

I seriously am laughing at the posts saying "what went wrong" and "dropped the ball"

Unreal how the actual numbers are being skewed. Just because you don't like a film doesn't mean it isn't the most successful origin film in some time.

I don't know how you skew a 65% drop, or 68% if you include the Wal-Mart numbers.

 

[br0adband]

It's a given for me considering what's at stake or what was at stake when Snyder and Goyer first sat down and started planning out MoS - there's no way in hell, absolutely zero chance, that they haven't planned out at least a full trilogy, and with Nolan's advice along with past history to show the trilogy format is the winner nowadays it's just going to happen, period.

I still have no problems with MoS at all, really, but it sure is entertaining to see people lambast it almost 24/7, I swear.

 

[Tobias]

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&country=JP&id=superman06.htm

Of course, you're certain you wanted that info about Superman Returns and not MoS, right, because MoS still has rather limited exposure:

http://boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=intl&id=superman2012.htm

I wanted it for SR trying to gauge what the Japanese and Australian numbers will be for MOS. I think they will be a little higher for MOS. I am surprised SR did just 11 million in Japan. That sounds off. Japan is into action/superhero flicks.

 

[Tra-El]

I wanted it for SR trying to gauge what the Japanese and Australian numbers will be for MOS. I think they will be a little higher for MOS. I am surprised SR did just 11 million in Japan. That sounds off. Japan is into action/superhero flicks.

SR had action? Seriously, I keep forgetting SR had a $270 million dollar budget and absolutley NOTHING happened...at all.

 

[113]

BINGO! I touched on this on another forum, so I'm just going to copy and paste my post there:

I agree with both of you. t:

 

[Marvin]

I don't know how you skew a 65% drop, or 68% if you include the Wal-Mart numbers.

Cause similar films that weren't considered to have dropped the ball, have had similar if not worse drops, and without anywhere near as much direct competition.

It happens.

 

[Iceman]

Why is MoS's overseas release staggered so much?

 

[Rev]

Yea. The trailers were better than the movie in a weird way.

Characterization was bad, no "feel" to the interactions and poor Henry. He came across as flat and lacking charm in the role. Due to poor directing by Snyder. Henry has more charm than you can shake a stick at and I was so enthusiastic about him that that charm, wink of an eye would show up in the film. It didn't. Sadly. It's like let Henry be Henry. It's sort of what happened with Routh. He too is very charming and engaging but came of wooden in SR. Singer so constrained his natural acting talent.




We are "haters" to many but in truth we are lovers of Big Blue who are waiting that great movie. I want to have the same experience in a Superman movie my Dad did in 1978. The audience totally into - laughing, crying, standing up and shouting.



That can happen again. I have faith.

Well of course if you perceived the characterizations as flat in regards to Henry that is your opinion and how you saw it but not everyone may agree and rightfully so. I saw it as quite the opposite because of the story that they were telling. I don't see how we can say that Henry was not allowed to be Henry despite the fact that Henry stated numerous times in interview that he played Clark the way he felt he would be and he drew on some of his own experiences and that of the source material to portray his version.
I don't necessarily know if you can have the same experience that your dad did with a new Superman movie because you will always be comparing it to that movie. I remember as a little kid being enthralled with Donner's Superman movie and now looking back I have to stop looking at that movie through kids eyes and see it for what it was. Is it perfect now that I have gotten older? No not perfect but I appreciate what it did for the future of all comic book movies. As a little kid, I did not have any preconceived expectations or an internet to voice complaints and concerns but if we are honest, there probably would have been complaints over the liberty that Donner took in regards to his vision of the movie. Prior to STM, the fortress was not made of crystals, Krypton was not a crystalline planet, both of Clark's parents were dead, he was Superboy before ever debuting as Superman and he never would have put his personal life above his mission of saving people. Many people saw George Reeves as Superman and some still do.

Tobias, I do hope that one day you will get the perfect Superman movie that you have longed for and that you will truly be satisfied but sad to say there maybe some that will not care for that version and that is okay. To each their own but I honestly think that MOS is getting a really bad rap for things that other comic book movies have been given a pass on. In the end, all that the WB will do is cater their films to the widest audience possible and we as fans must remember that we are the minority.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

But that is the Clark Kent story that was being told. His whole backstory and origin was being raised by an Earthling family as a little boy experiencing these incredible powers and being told he was NOT one of us and he cannot use his powers until the right time to make a choice. He experiences death to his loved ones because of all of this so the Superman story was meant to be deep and brooder.

Clark was a distanced character and Cavill played it as such (perfectly.)

Did anybody see Daily Planet Clark Kent's smile? "Welcome to the Planet." He finally accepted it with a nice big 'ol smile. That's what's coming. It's so obvious and people refuse to see it.

Good post! In my opinion, MOS offered a more introspective take on Clark; he isn't what I would call a brooder. At most, we see the character express some frustration about being different and having to always keep his powers in check; and for me, that was actually refreshing. In the JLU animated series, we first begin to see a glimpse of that when Superman briefly confesses to Darkseid about what it's like to live in a "world of cardboard"; and that idea is clearly expanded upon in MOS. In terms of being "wooden", it's kind of odd that some "fans" interpreted HC's performance as such, especially since his portrayal of Superman is heavily influenced by the comics and animated series. Superman simply isn't a jokey type of character. I can understand GA wanting him to be more like Iron Man or Spider-Man, but fanboys/fangirls should know better.

Sometimes I wonder how the public as well as those in fandom would have responded to a Batman that was closer to the original source material than what we received in the form of BB and TDK. If Bruce was portrayed more accurately, as this almost perfect human specimen, devoid of all humor or a need for a supporting Lucious Fox type character, would people complain that he wasn't relatable enough -- that he was far too "wooden"? Hmm. They probably would.

 

[kalhawj]

I wanted it for SR trying to gauge what the Japanese and Australian numbers will be for MOS. I think they will be a little higher for MOS. I am surprised SR did just 11 million in Japan. That sounds off. Japan is into action/superhero flicks.

I don't know if you know this from looking at Boxofficemojo's tracking for MOS but it is doing way better than SR wish it could have ever done in the same country it was release on... MOS is on track for huge OS BO number. I expect nothing less than close to record numbers for these country as it's doing everywhere... It might even break their opening records... we'll have to wait and see after their release weekend.

 

[hitmanyr2k]

But that is the Clark Kent story that was being told. His whole backstory and origin was being raised by an Earthling family as a little boy experiencing these incredible powers and being told he was NOT one of us and he cannot use his powers until the right time to make a choice. He experiences death to his loved ones because of all of this so the Superman story was meant to be deep and brooder.

Clark was a distanced character and Cavill played it as such (perfectly.)

Did anybody see Daily Planet Clark Kent's smile? "Welcome to the Planet." He finally accepted it with a nice big 'ol smile. That's what's coming. It's so obvious and people refuse to see it.

I think a nice big smile at end of movie may be nice for setting up a sequel but that still doesn't hide the issue that Cavill wasn't given much to work with in the film. I can see why people would call him "wooden" in MOS when the guy wasn't given much to do in the movie but look serious or confused and mutter a few lines here and there. Cavill really wasn't all that different than Routh was in SR when it came to depth of his character.

 

[terry78]

Well, Superman honestly isn't known for a massive amount of characterization aside from just being "the man" and sometimes struggling with going too far with his powers or the right decision to make. That's why some have always viewed him as kind of bland because you're basically watching somebody akin to a god dealing with being godlike.

 

[sf2]

I think a nice big smile at end of movie may be nice for setting up a sequel but that still doesn't hide the issue that Cavill wasn't given much to work with in the film. I can see why people would call him "wooden" in MOS when the guy wasn't given much to do in the movie but look serious or confused and mutter a few lines here and there. Cavill really wasn't all that different than Routh was in SR when it came to depth of his character.

Was reeve given much to do in STM in ur standard?
Did he just look nice or goofy and mutter a few lines here and there for u?

 

[ray243]

Some fans expect a masterpiece from the start so if there's no sequel they can be happy with just the one movie. In today's industry WB knows that the money is in the trilogy and share universe for CBM. This is why MOS is set up perfectly for a sequel and share DCU. Those that complain just doesn't see this... The nolan Trilogy had one masterpiece in TDK. We can expect the same for MOS. People need to just let the new way of making CBM play out... There's no way of satisfying everyone. The key for WB is to get GA to like/accept the new take on Superman which they have succeed at... Now it's to making an epic trilogy...

Err no. Fans expect a good movie because that the is the minimum expectation. A good movie will set up a strong and fun franchise. A bad or mediocre movie will not.

It's like asking the audience to read a horrible book because the sequels are much nicer.

 

[kalhawj]

I think a nice big smile at end of movie may be nice for setting up a sequel but that still doesn't hide the issue that Cavill wasn't given much to work with in the film. I can see why people would call him "wooden" in MOS when the guy wasn't given much to do in the movie but look serious or confused and mutter a few lines here and there. Cavill really wasn't all that different than Routh was in SR when it came to depth of his character.

Big difference between Routh and Cavill. Cavill is light years above Routh, but I won't get in much detail regarding this debate as this is a BO thread... There's a reason why a good guy like Routh cannot get any leading acting role.

Just watch routh speak his lines... You'll notice it right away when he spoke to Martha after he returns from krypton. Sounds like he reading a line and instead of making it sound more nature speaking... If you listen to Cavill's same conversation with Martha big difference... More emotion and cavills makes it feel more nature.... He even sound like a teenager in the tornado scene...

 

[Ita-KalEl]

Tuesday normally see a slight increase so this is right in line and the first time it's had a weekday to weekday bump up. Wednesday and Thursday tend to tend down.

4.5 million Monday and 5.2 Tuesday - 9.7 million. Wednesday drops can be 20% that would make it about 4.2 and Thursday could see a 10% drop to 3.8. Mon - Thurs 17.7

Weekend is crucial guys. If we get a 60% drop it's over - in that the film tops at 270 - 275. If the drop is around 50% (which is high given the 3rd week drops are normally in the mid-40s) that would be 20.5 million or so. Total weekly take 37.7. So far we haven't seen it but if MOS can hold it's weekend drops to 50% (which is significantly above normal for a film) it could crawl to 285 million total. At which point WB has the option of doing the slow dance.

Final *** around 248 million possible by end of Sunday. Hold this weekend is critical.

Don't worry Tobias, even if MOS does not drop more than 50% you'll find a creative way to bash it.

 

[terry78]

You know that was another actor in that flashback.

 

[The Batman]

Some fans expect a masterpiece from the start so if there's no sequel they can be happy with just the one movie.

No...some fans want a good movie because filmmakers should focus on making a good movie each time they make a comic film, not just saying "hey, we'll just make a good movie next time." Absolutely terrible mentality.

The nolan Trilogy had one masterpiece in TDK.

Not really. Many consider BB and TDKR just as good, if not better than TDK. All three films are considered great. And interestingly enough, Nolan took the approach of trying to make the best film he could for each movie.

We can expect the same for MOS. People need to just let the new way of making CBM play out... There's no way of satisfying everyone.

Not everyone will be satisfied....but that dosen't justify making flawed films, ones that could've been great. I mean, are you serious? Are you really trying to justify getting "Amazing Spider-Man" type reboots? LOL.

The key for WB is to get GA to like/accept the new take on Superman which they have succeed at... Now it's to making an epic trilogy...

Golly, if only Peter Jackson and George Lucas knew that the best way to an epic trilogy is by making a first film of questionable quality.

 

[kalhawj]

Err no. Fans expect a good movie because that the is the minimum expectation. A good movie will set up a strong and fun franchise. A bad or mediocre movie will not.

It's like asking the audience to read a horrible book because the sequels are much nicer.

It was an epic movie... just wasn't what some fans wanted...

 

[ctsketch]

Not really. You can never recreate the "magic of the first date".

I wasn't even born when it came out but my Dad, he gave me my love for Superman, to this day remembers how the audiences went wild. Clapping, standing ovation - you name it throughout the film. A once in a lifetime experience which stayed with him.

I want a Superman film that does that - to the audience.

STM is too campy. Hackman/Spacey type Luthors don't cut it. Give me a Rosenbaum type Luthor. No buffoonish sidekicks either.

So yes I can criticize STM as well as MOS.

Bottom line, I am waiting for that great Superman film we all deserve.

the threatre applauded after the showing I saw last night

 

[hitmanyr2k]

Was reeve given much to do in STM in ur standard?
Did he just look nice or goofy and mutter a few lines here and there for u?

Are you serious with this question? When it came to the material he was given and how he delivered it Reeve pretty much murders Cavill or Routh's performances. Of course Reeve's version of Superman wasn't the dark, brooding tortured soul (seems to be trendy these days) that Routh or Cavill's was so Reeve got to display a wider range of acting ability, which he pulled off with ease.