The Dark Knight Rises Marion Cotillard as Miranda Tate VIII (Team Frenchie Edition)

[TheScarecrow]

Marion was perfect for Talia.

I'm getting a lick sick of people bashing her performance and making out that she's a sub-par actress. She had a bad death scene and there's no denying that. It was bad, but I think she came across as a right ***** after the 'reveal' and did the best with what she had. Cotillard is and was a great actress, despite one bad scene, and we are privileged to have had her in the movie. Getting an actress of her calibre for what was quite a thankless role shouldn't be scoffed at. I am incredibly glad she played Talia.

Before that her performance was warm enough that you'd equate her with Rachel Dawes, but suspicious enough that the audience thought there might be more to her. I think she balanced it perfectly, and I went with non-fans who got a real kick out of the Talia twist.

As for it not being comic-accurate, has anyone picked up a recent comic with Talia in it? She's a ***** without much regard for Batman. Like most of you, it's not my favoured characterisation of her and I would have preferred a more classic Talia. Then again, I'd have preferred Talia be in Batman Begins.

Still, there's nothing inherently wrong with what Nolan gave us. Much like his Ra's, it's just an incomplete version. And I'm still shocked at the number of people who seem to draw character distinctions between Miranda and Talia. Everything she did as Miranda was her acting as Talia. Talia did not appear 2 hours and 17 minutes into the film. She appeared 9 minutes into the film, and was regularly in it from then on out. We saw her instituting her plan, and manipulating everyone. She fooled Bruce, Gordon, Alfred, Selina, Blake and Lucius. She got Bruce to create a nuclear weapon and then used it against him. She took over his company. She got him to be emotionally invested in her and is the only villain to have hurt him emotionally in the series. She sabotaged the efforts to find the bomb under Gordon's nose. The list goes on and on.

There's more than enough Talia in this movie. It's not my preferred version, but she doesn't deserve the endless hate that's being dished out to her. Cotillard certainly does not.

She is not the "Venom" of this franchise. Venom was added at the request of the studio and written into a completed script. Nolan had the characters mapped out since 2008. No one really wanted Talia, and the studio certainly would not have requested her. If anyone was to be the "Venom" of this movie it would have been The Riddler, who everyone was saying "had" to be in it, and who the studio wanted to be in it to appease fans.

She's in here so Nolan could cap off his trilogy. She served a purpose narratively (people seem to think she was just standing in the background doing nothing), thematically and provided something to Bruce's character. That's pretty much all that you can ask for in a villain, and then it's just a quality scale.

I was just on some movie boards reading reactions to the film. Everyone there (mostly GA) said they went in expecting Spider-man 3 based off of the fan reaction and came out thinking it was brilliant. Why fans have wanted to act out against a great movie because it didn't meet lofty expectations is beyond me. It's certainly affected the gross of the movie, and is over quite petty stuff.

As for the other actresses, I'd have preferred Winslet more than Weisz and Watts. I remember at the time all four actresses were rumoured I said that Kate Winslet could have been cast as Bane and still delivered the best performance of the trilogy and I stand by that. Winslet would have been a coup, and would have hidden the Talia twist better because she's a much less obvious choice. I also considered her a great choice for Catwoman, though I'm glad we ended up with Anne (who was traditionally my first choice anyway).

 

[Demon Hunter]

Marion was perfect for Talia.

I'm getting a lick sick of people bashing her performance and making out that she's a sub-par actress. She had a bad death scene and there's no denying that. It was bad, but I think she came across as a right ***** after the 'reveal' and did the best with what she had. Cotillard is and was a great actress, despite one bad scene, and we are privileged to have had her in the movie. Getting an actress of her calibre for what was quite a thankless role shouldn't be scoffed at. I am incredibly glad she played Talia.

Before that her performance was warm enough that you'd equate her with Rachel Dawes, but suspicious enough that the audience thought there might be more to her. I think she balanced it perfectly, and I went with non-fans who got a real kick out of the Talia twist.

As for it not being comic-accurate, has anyone picked up a recent comic with Talia in it? She's a ***** without much regard for Batman. Like most of you, it's not my favoured characterisation of her and I would have preferred a more classic Talia. Then again, I'd have preferred Talia be in Batman Begins.

Still, there's nothing inherently wrong with what Nolan gave us. Much like his Ra's, it's just an incomplete version. And I'm still shocked at the number of people who seem to draw character distinctions between Miranda and Talia. Everything she did as Miranda was her acting as Talia. Talia did not appear 2 hours and 17 minutes into the film. She appeared 9 minutes into the film, and was regularly in it from then on out. We saw her instituting her plan, and manipulating everyone. She fooled Bruce, Gordon, Alfred, Selina, Blake and Lucius. She got Bruce to create a nuclear weapon and then used it against him. She took over his company. She got him to be emotionally invested in her and is the only villain to have hurt him emotionally in the series. She sabotaged the efforts to find the bomb under Gordon's nose. The list goes on and on.

There's more than enough Talia in this movie. It's not my preferred version, but she doesn't deserve the endless hate that's being dished out to her. Cotillard certainly does not.

She is not the "Venom" of this franchise. Venom was added at the request of the studio and written into a completed script. Nolan had the characters mapped out since 2008. No one really wanted Talia, and the studio certainly would not have requested her. If anyone was to be the "Venom" of this movie it would have been The Riddler, who everyone was saying "had" to be in it, and who the studio wanted to be in it to appease fans.

She's in here so Nolan could cap off his trilogy. She served a purpose narratively (people seem to think she was just standing in the background doing nothing), thematically and provided something to Bruce's character. That's pretty much all that you can ask for in a villain, and then it's just a quality scale.

I was just on some movie boards reading reactions to the film. Everyone there (mostly GA) said they went in expecting Spider-man 3 based off of the fan reaction and came out thinking it was brilliant. Why fans have wanted to act out against a great movie because it didn't meet lofty expectations is beyond me. It's certainly affected the gross of the movie, and is over quite petty stuff.

As for the other actresses, I'd have preferred Winslet more than Weisz and Watts. I remember at the time all four actresses were rumoured I said that Kate Winslet could have been cast as Bane and still delivered the best performance of the trilogy and I stand by that. Winslet would have been a coup, and would have hidden the Talia twist better because she's a much less obvious choice. I also considered her a great choice for Catwoman, though I'm glad we ended up with Anne (who was traditionally my first choice anyway).

Great post, man. I totally agree with everything you said. I doubt this will prevent the haters from doing what they do, but still it is great to see that there are people who really love the movie.

 

[regwec]

And both equally beautiful.

*Rubs eyes*

I love Rachel Weisz, but you speak truth. In the acting department, at least.

*Shakes head*

There are some things upon which we are simply not destined to agree.

TBH the way the character was written, she didn't really deserve any of the actresses mentioned.

I suppose you are right. I don't think an actress like Weisz would have taken the role as it was written, anyway.

I still think it would have been better to omit Tate/Talia altogether.

 

[The Joker]

Marion was perfect for Talia.

Nobody said she wasn't.

I'm getting a lick sick of people bashing her performance and making out that she's a sub-par actress. She had a bad death scene and there's no denying that. It was bad, but I think she came across as a right ***** after the 'reveal' and did the best with what she had. Cotillard is and was a great actress, despite one bad scene, and we are privileged to have had her in the movie. Getting an actress of her calibre for what was quite a thankless role shouldn't be scoffed at. I am incredibly glad she played Talia.

Once again, nobody is calling Marion a bad actress. They're saying she gave bad performance in her death scene, and a forgettable one as Tate/Talia. Which she did. I don't feel privileged to have a character like that in a Batman movie, wasting screen time that could be better spent on other characters who I give a damn about.

You're free to disagree with that all you like, but don't throw a wobbler just because most don't share your view.

As for it not being comic-accurate, has anyone picked up a recent comic with Talia in it? She's a ***** without much regard for Batman. Like most of you, it's not my favoured characterisation of her and I would have preferred a more classic Talia. Then again, I'd have preferred Talia be in Batman Begins.

Even the evil version of Talia has more sentiment towards Batman than she does in TDKR. She has a child with him and all, who is the current Robin. Not to mention evil Talia is a progression of a the character who did not start out this way.

Still, there's nothing inherently wrong with what Nolan gave us. Much like his Ra's, it's just an incomplete version. And I'm still shocked at the number of people who seem to draw character distinctions between Miranda and Talia. Everything she did as Miranda was her acting as Talia. Talia did not appear 2 hours and 17 minutes into the film. She appeared 9 minutes into the film, and was regularly in it from then on out. We saw her instituting her plan, and manipulating everyone. She fooled Bruce, Gordon, Alfred, Selina, Blake and Lucius. She got Bruce to create a nuclear weapon and then used it against him. She took over his company. She got him to be emotionally invested in her and is the only villain to have hurt him emotionally in the series. She sabotaged the efforts to find the bomb under Gordon's nose. The list goes on and on.

This argument falls so flat every time it's posted. Talia's persona is not revealed until the end. Yes we know Tate is Talia pretending to be someone else, but the nice person act she puts on is not the Talia persona. We're not watching the daughter of the demon for most of the movie, we're watching a business woman, despite what we know about her.

There's more than enough Talia in this movie. It's not my preferred version, but she doesn't deserve the endless hate that's being dished out to her. Cotillard certainly does not.

That's what you say. I say she does. She was boring as Tate. She had no chemistry with Bale. Their love scene was random and contrived. Her final revelation as being Talia was so short lived and forgettable. She reveals herself, hops into a Tumbler and gets killed.

You say that's more than enough Talia. Your standards are evidently lower than most. No offense.

I still think it would have been better to omit Tate/Talia altogether.

So do I.

 

[gvalladare]

I agree with Scarecrow post. Marion was a great addition, and it's a shame some people here put her down for a "bad death".

btw, I went to see the movie Saturday, and people really had a kick when she reveals she's Talia hahaha. even a lady said out loud "I KNEW IT!"

I think most the complains come from fanboys other than regular public...

 

[shauner111]

I never even noticed her "bad death scene" as you people like to call it...until i came on here after watching the movie twice. What was so bad about it? Maybe the final eye closing, head movement thing wasnt the greatest but the whole scene? She was fine. She looked a little crazy which is what they were going for.

Some of you guys nitpick way too much. Only on here do i hear such crap about Marion or "plot holes". I listen to podcasts outside the hype and i dont hear any b.s about Marion friggin Cotillard. She wasnt a show stealer, it was never going to be an oscar worthy performance. But she was fine.

 

[joker1524]

I think the character should have been introduced in TDK so nolan could have fleshed her out

 

[BatLobster]

TheScarecrow's post is full of win.

I also don't buy the "she wasn't Talia because she didn't have the Talia persona for most of the movie" thing. Whenever I watch The Usual Suspects, I can't help but think of the gimp as Keyser Soze the whole time. It's really the same logic that applies here.

I've already made my case for why all of Talia's actions throughout the film are in service of her/Bane's goals, so I won't retread that ground. It's one thing to have personally wanted to see more of Talia in-costume/in-character, it's another to have wanted her to be more conflicted in her feelings for Bruce, but it doesn't really hold up to say she wasn't Talia the whole film just because she used an alias. The very reason for the existence of that false persona is to further the mission.

And it's not like they didn't load her character with double meanings. From her first scene with Daggett, where she mocks him for only understanding money (later echoed by Bane), to her first scene with Bruce (where she "reveals herself" from behind a mask) and goads him about spending half his fortune on a save the world project (Batman), there are all sorts of cues throughout the movie. So much so that I find it exceedingly easy to simply think of her as Talia the whole time with each subsequent viewing of the film.

I even disagree that she was a boring character. I think she became more one-note after the reveal, but I thought the role of "Miranda Tate" was written and performed just fine.

And yes, the death scene was atrocious.

 

[The Batman]

TheScarecrow's post is full of win.

 

[The Batman]

Nobody said she wasn't.



Once again, nobody is calling Marion a bad actress. They're saying she gave bad performance in her death scene, and a forgettable one as Tate/Talia. Which she did. I don't feel privileged to have a character like that in a Batman movie, wasting screen time that could be better spent on other characters who I give a damn about.

You're free to disagree with that all you like, but don't throw a wobbler just because most don't share your view.



Even the evil version of Talia has more sentiment towards Batman than she does in TDKR. She has a child with him and all, who is the current Robin. Not to mention evil Talia is a progression of a the character who did not start out this way.



This argument falls so flat every time it's posted. Talia's persona is not revealed until the end. Yes we know Tate is Talia pretending to be someone else, but the nice person act she puts on is not the Talia persona. We're not watching the daughter of the demon for most of the movie, we're watching a business woman, despite what we know about her.



That's what you say. I say she does. She was boring as Tate. She had no chemistry with Bale. Their love scene was random and contrived. Her final revelation as being Talia was so short lived and forgettable. She reveals herself, hops into a Tumbler and gets killed.

You say that's more than enough Talia. Your standards are evidently lower than most. No offense.



So do I.

And The Joker sums it up perfectly.

 

[Steyin]

Marion was perfect for Talia.

I'm getting a lick sick of people bashing her performance and making out that she's a sub-par actress. She had a bad death scene and there's no denying that. It was bad, but I think she came across as a right ***** after the 'reveal' and did the best with what she had. Cotillard is and was a great actress, despite one bad scene, and we are privileged to have had her in the movie. Getting an actress of her calibre for what was quite a thankless role shouldn't be scoffed at. I am incredibly glad she played Talia.

Before that her performance was warm enough that you'd equate her with Rachel Dawes, but suspicious enough that the audience thought there might be more to her. I think she balanced it perfectly, and I went with non-fans who got a real kick out of the Talia twist.

As for it not being comic-accurate, has anyone picked up a recent comic with Talia in it? She's a ***** without much regard for Batman. Like most of you, it's not my favoured characterisation of her and I would have preferred a more classic Talia. Then again, I'd have preferred Talia be in Batman Begins.

Still, there's nothing inherently wrong with what Nolan gave us. Much like his Ra's, it's just an incomplete version. And I'm still shocked at the number of people who seem to draw character distinctions between Miranda and Talia. Everything she did as Miranda was her acting as Talia. Talia did not appear 2 hours and 17 minutes into the film. She appeared 9 minutes into the film, and was regularly in it from then on out. We saw her instituting her plan, and manipulating everyone. She fooled Bruce, Gordon, Alfred, Selina, Blake and Lucius. She got Bruce to create a nuclear weapon and then used it against him. She took over his company. She got him to be emotionally invested in her and is the only villain to have hurt him emotionally in the series. She sabotaged the efforts to find the bomb under Gordon's nose. The list goes on and on.

There's more than enough Talia in this movie. It's not my preferred version, but she doesn't deserve the endless hate that's being dished out to her. Cotillard certainly does not.

She is not the "Venom" of this franchise. Venom was added at the request of the studio and written into a completed script. Nolan had the characters mapped out since 2008. No one really wanted Talia, and the studio certainly would not have requested her. If anyone was to be the "Venom" of this movie it would have been The Riddler, who everyone was saying "had" to be in it, and who the studio wanted to be in it to appease fans.

She's in here so Nolan could cap off his trilogy. She served a purpose narratively (people seem to think she was just standing in the background doing nothing), thematically and provided something to Bruce's character. That's pretty much all that you can ask for in a villain, and then it's just a quality scale.

I was just on some movie boards reading reactions to the film. Everyone there (mostly GA) said they went in expecting Spider-man 3 based off of the fan reaction and came out thinking it was brilliant. Why fans have wanted to act out against a great movie because it didn't meet lofty expectations is beyond me. It's certainly affected the gross of the movie, and is over quite petty stuff.

As for the other actresses, I'd have preferred Winslet more than Weisz and Watts. I remember at the time all four actresses were rumoured I said that Kate Winslet could have been cast as Bane and still delivered the best performance of the trilogy and I stand by that. Winslet would have been a coup, and would have hidden the Talia twist better because she's a much less obvious choice. I also considered her a great choice for Catwoman, though I'm glad we ended up with Anne (who was traditionally my first choice anyway).

Spot on.

 

[Fudgie]

I never even noticed her "bad death scene" as you people like to call it...until i came on here after watching the movie twice. What was so bad about it? Maybe the final eye closing, head movement thing wasnt the greatest but the whole scene? She was fine. She looked a little crazy which is what they were going for.

You must be doing selective reading or something. Everyone is talking about her crappy acting in that death scene. They're already making parodies of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlT2TvBNSbM

http://www.funnyjunk.com/youtube/3988508/Marion+Cotillard+death+in+Batman/

http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/people-dying-like-marion-cotillard

She was dullsville in this movie and her death was so bad it made me laugh. TDKR didn't need her in it. She was a waste of space.

 

[regwec]

Spot on.

 

[BatLobster]

Spoiler

 

[The Batman]

*Searches feelings*

 

[Baneis8feettall]

Marion was perfect for Talia.

I'm getting a lick sick of people bashing her performance and making out that she's a sub-par actress. She had a bad death scene and there's no denying that. It was bad, but I think she came across as a right ***** after the 'reveal' and did the best with what she had. Cotillard is and was a great actress, despite one bad scene, and we are privileged to have had her in the movie. Getting an actress of her calibre for what was quite a thankless role shouldn't be scoffed at. I am incredibly glad she played Talia.

Before that her performance was warm enough that you'd equate her with Rachel Dawes, but suspicious enough that the audience thought there might be more to her. I think she balanced it perfectly, and I went with non-fans who got a real kick out of the Talia twist.

As for it not being comic-accurate, has anyone picked up a recent comic with Talia in it? She's a ***** without much regard for Batman. Like most of you, it's not my favoured characterisation of her and I would have preferred a more classic Talia. Then again, I'd have preferred Talia be in Batman Begins.

Still, there's nothing inherently wrong with what Nolan gave us. Much like his Ra's, it's just an incomplete version. And I'm still shocked at the number of people who seem to draw character distinctions between Miranda and Talia. Everything she did as Miranda was her acting as Talia. Talia did not appear 2 hours and 17 minutes into the film. She appeared 9 minutes into the film, and was regularly in it from then on out. We saw her instituting her plan, and manipulating everyone. She fooled Bruce, Gordon, Alfred, Selina, Blake and Lucius. She got Bruce to create a nuclear weapon and then used it against him. She took over his company. She got him to be emotionally invested in her and is the only villain to have hurt him emotionally in the series. She sabotaged the efforts to find the bomb under Gordon's nose. The list goes on and on.

There's more than enough Talia in this movie. It's not my preferred version, but she doesn't deserve the endless hate that's being dished out to her. Cotillard certainly does not.

She is not the "Venom" of this franchise. Venom was added at the request of the studio and written into a completed script. Nolan had the characters mapped out since 2008. No one really wanted Talia, and the studio certainly would not have requested her. If anyone was to be the "Venom" of this movie it would have been The Riddler, who everyone was saying "had" to be in it, and who the studio wanted to be in it to appease fans.

She's in here so Nolan could cap off his trilogy. She served a purpose narratively (people seem to think she was just standing in the background doing nothing), thematically and provided something to Bruce's character. That's pretty much all that you can ask for in a villain, and then it's just a quality scale.

I was just on some movie boards reading reactions to the film. Everyone there (mostly GA) said they went in expecting Spider-man 3 based off of the fan reaction and came out thinking it was brilliant. Why fans have wanted to act out against a great movie because it didn't meet lofty expectations is beyond me. It's certainly affected the gross of the movie, and is over quite petty stuff.

As for the other actresses, I'd have preferred Winslet more than Weisz and Watts. I remember at the time all four actresses were rumoured I said that Kate Winslet could have been cast as Bane and still delivered the best performance of the trilogy and I stand by that. Winslet would have been a coup, and would have hidden the Talia twist better because she's a much less obvious choice. I also considered her a great choice for Catwoman, though I'm glad we ended up with Anne (who was traditionally my first choice anyway).

 

[shauner111]

You must be doing selective reading or something. Everyone is talking about her crappy acting in that death scene. They're already making parodies of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlT2TvBNSbM

http://www.funnyjunk.com/youtube/3988508/Marion+Cotillard+death+in+Batman/

http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/people-dying-like-marion-cotillard

She was dullsville in this movie and her death was so bad it made me laugh. TDKR didn't need her in it. She was a waste of space.

You're a waste of space. Ive seen this movie with a lot of people, many different times, and i never heard any complaints.

Oh well, people like to nitpick.

Talia wasnt a waste of space. I enjoyed her character, i saw the reveal coming, mainly because of spy pics and reading about the casting. People who didnt know any information didnt seem to know. The reveal was well done, and i enjoyed it. Dont care about the haters.

 

[The Sage]

Cool, I'm not the only one that sees the similarities between the TDKR Talia and the one from the last several years.

 

[jmc]

The actress didn't matter. The character is what it is. TBH the way the character was written, she didn't really deserve any of the actresses mentioned. Marion probably just did it for the chance to work with Nolan again and the chance to be in a huge movie with a small part that will fit her schedule.

The irony is everyone kept saying they wouldn't hire 'An actresses of Cotillard's caliber for a minor role', and yet a minor role is exactly what her role turned out to be.

 

[BrazilianBatFan]

Marion was perfect for Talia.

I'm getting a lick sick of people bashing her performance and making out that she's a sub-par actress. She had a bad death scene and there's no denying that. It was bad, but I think she came across as a right ***** after the 'reveal' and did the best with what she had. Cotillard is and was a great actress, despite one bad scene, and we are privileged to have had her in the movie. Getting an actress of her calibre for what was quite a thankless role shouldn't be scoffed at. I am incredibly glad she played Talia.

Before that her performance was warm enough that you'd equate her with Rachel Dawes, but suspicious enough that the audience thought there might be more to her. I think she balanced it perfectly, and I went with non-fans who got a real kick out of the Talia twist.

As for it not being comic-accurate, has anyone picked up a recent comic with Talia in it? She's a ***** without much regard for Batman. Like most of you, it's not my favoured characterisation of her and I would have preferred a more classic Talia. Then again, I'd have preferred Talia be in Batman Begins.

Still, there's nothing inherently wrong with what Nolan gave us. Much like his Ra's, it's just an incomplete version. And I'm still shocked at the number of people who seem to draw character distinctions between Miranda and Talia. Everything she did as Miranda was her acting as Talia. Talia did not appear 2 hours and 17 minutes into the film. She appeared 9 minutes into the film, and was regularly in it from then on out. We saw her instituting her plan, and manipulating everyone. She fooled Bruce, Gordon, Alfred, Selina, Blake and Lucius. She got Bruce to create a nuclear weapon and then used it against him. She took over his company. She got him to be emotionally invested in her and is the only villain to have hurt him emotionally in the series. She sabotaged the efforts to find the bomb under Gordon's nose. The list goes on and on.

There's more than enough Talia in this movie. It's not my preferred version, but she doesn't deserve the endless hate that's being dished out to her. Cotillard certainly does not.

She is not the "Venom" of this franchise. Venom was added at the request of the studio and written into a completed script. Nolan had the characters mapped out since 2008. No one really wanted Talia, and the studio certainly would not have requested her. If anyone was to be the "Venom" of this movie it would have been The Riddler, who everyone was saying "had" to be in it, and who the studio wanted to be in it to appease fans.

She's in here so Nolan could cap off his trilogy. She served a purpose narratively (people seem to think she was just standing in the background doing nothing), thematically and provided something to Bruce's character. That's pretty much all that you can ask for in a villain, and then it's just a quality scale.

I was just on some movie boards reading reactions to the film. Everyone there (mostly GA) said they went in expecting Spider-man 3 based off of the fan reaction and came out thinking it was brilliant. Why fans have wanted to act out against a great movie because it didn't meet lofty expectations is beyond me. It's certainly affected the gross of the movie, and is over quite petty stuff.

I agree. Despite of being a big Cotillard fan, I hate her death scene (the very end of it) and went as far as to blame her partially for it. Now I am blaming Nolan all the way. I doubt she was the one to choose the position she would be performing it and she certainly wasn't the one to choose the take that went into the movie. The staging wouldn't have worked with any other actress.

Another point I tend to disagree with many posters around here is her chemistry with Bale. Just to be clear I'm not saying they had better chemistry than Bale and Anne, but a big part of me thinks it's unfair to compare them. Catwoman had many more scenes with Batman/Bruce. Their dialogues were very good. In this instance, Catwoman has always (comics) been much more interesting than Talia in my opinion. Their interactions, ending up wel or not, are always entertaining.

It just doesn't seem right to blame the actress for that. Again Nolan should have balanced things better. He can do it. He balanced Batman, Joker and Two Face very well in TDK for example. And his failure here makes me part of those who think the script needed more work.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Some of Cotillard's scenes were cut from the script that appears in The Dark Knight Trilogy - The Complete Screenplays, such as a scene with Lucius Fox explaining the threat that Daggett poses (p.33) and a scene with Gordon and Blake at Foley's House (p. 131). Neither of these were necessary in the grand scheme of things but it cuts back on Miranda's presence in the film.

Most of the flashbacks in the movie revolve around her and her family drama. They establish her as the product of her father's forbidden love with a warlord's daughter, her mother taking on her father's punishment, the hellish prison that shaped her existence leading up to the death of her mother and Bane taking on the role of her protector, her escape as the only person ever to do it before Bruce Wayne, and finding her father to enact vengeance and rescue Bane, and so on. It's all the same character...though it's revealed very late in the story. It gives insight into Ra's, Talia, and Bane. I would have preferred a separate past for Talia and Bane but for time reasons I understand why they did this and I think it was one of the elements that mostly worked, though the heavy-handedness of Bruce being stuck on Bane as the child bugged me.

In terms of importance as to why the events of the film are happening her character ranks at the top with Bane doing the heavy-lifting for the plan that Bruce Wayne was supposed to do for the League in Batman Begins, but in terms of screentime she (adult/child) ranks behind the other newcomers like Bane, Selina, and Blake.

 

[joker1524]

You're a waste of space. Ive seen this movie with a lot of people, many different times, and i never heard any complaints.

Oh well, people like to nitpick.

Talia wasnt a waste of space. I enjoyed her character, i saw the reveal coming, mainly because of spy pics and reading about the casting. People who didnt know any information didnt seem to know. The reveal was well done, and i enjoyed it. Dont care about the haters.

No need to call the guy a waste of space...if you enjoyed it that's fine..let's keep this civil

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Cool, I'm not the only one that sees the similarities between the TDKR Talia and the one from the last several years.

It certainly was one of the most, if not the most, evil incarnation of the character yet seen. It makes Arkham City's Talia look really retro.

 

[Baneis8feettall]

I haven't seen more negative fanboards than TDKR. TDKR is universally accepted as one of best (and deepest) example of it's genre. If i didn't watch the movie and just saw these threads i would think the movie is crap though.

I seriously wonder if some of you guys accidently watched Transformers and thought it's TDKR.

 

[Van Petrol]

The irony is everyone kept saying they wouldn't hire 'An actresses of Cotillard's caliber for a minor role', and yet a minor role is exactly what her role turned out to be.

From what I recall it was more a case of it not being for a minor role in terms of significance, rather than appearance and screentime.