Marvel Now - Part 5

[roach]

People do realize these changes are temporary, right?

I don't think people are upset about the change...they are upset because they know its a temp change

 

[MessiahDecoy123]

Exactly, it's yet another reason why I'm just not excited for this. Sam will be Captain America for two years tops and Steve will be back. Status-quo changes like this just can't be exciting when you know that they're just going to bring Steve back eventually.

Now if this were permanent, I would be pleasantly surprised.

I don't think people are upset about the change...they are upset because they know its a temp change

I guess Marvel can't win.

The pro-diversity crowd hates that the changes aren't permanent.

The anti-diversity crowd hates that the changes were made at all.

 

[roach]

I guess Marvel can't win.

The pro-diversity crowd hates that the changes aren't permanent.

The anti-diversity crowd hates that the changes were made at all.

Forget it, MD...it's the internet

 

[CaptainWagner]

I enjoy Marvel Now. I think it was a smart response to the New 52 and sparked some good stories and creative teams.

Yeah, NOW has been mostly great, at least for me. I haven't been able to read as many comics as I would like lately, Venom, Thunderbolts, Deadpool, Daredevil, and Spider-Man have all had really good things going on. And I've heard lots of good things about Thor, She-Hulk and other comics I haven't been following. And of course, the best thing to happen: Nightcrawler's back!

So, I've enjoyed NOW so far, and look forward to what these new changes will bring. I kind of hope they keep at least Falcon-Cap for a while, if only to see what Old-Steve will do with himself.

 

[Mad Ones]

The anger over a change being temporary annoys me a little. Yes, Thor and Captain America will be the straight white men we all know eventually, but permanent changes can still be made. After Bucky finished being Captain America he became a main player in the marvel universe, including attention on him in major events, his own solo series, and being featured in multiple titles.

When "male" Thor returns, this woman could branch out and have an important role in the Marvel world. The most efficient and easiest way to elevate the profile of a new character (regardless of diversity) is to use the status of established heroes to give them attention. Marvel was probably only able to create a muslim heroine because she stars in a Ms Marvel title. Rarely does a new character with no ties to the major heroes become a success. Marvel just works differently than image.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

The anger over a change being temporary annoys me a little. Yes, Thor and Captain America will be the straight white men we all know eventually, but permanent changes can still be made. After Bucky finished being Captain America he became a main player in the marvel universe, including attention on him in major events, his own solo series, and being featured in multiple titles.

When "male" Thor returns, this woman could branch out and have an important role in the Marvel world. The most efficient and easiest way to elevate the profile of a new character (regardless of diversity) is to use the status of established heroes to give them attention. Marvel was probably only able to create a muslim heroine because she stars in a Ms Marvel title. Rarely does a new character with no ties to the major heroes become a success. Marvel just works differently than image.

Well, the female Thor is someone already in his circle, but I guess this can still elevate whoever it is.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Well it is understandable after all that Iron Man suit is ugly as hell.

It looks like a damn Apple product. I love Apple, and even I think it looks dumb. It'll have all the necessary ports for his iPhone, and it will sport the Beats logo to go with their merger.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

It looks like a damn Apple product. I love Apple, and even I think it looks dumb. It'll have all the necessary ports for his iPhone, and it will sport the Beats logo to go with their merger.

Well he's going to San Fran. Perhaps he makes a stop in Cupertino.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Well he's going to San Fran. Perhaps he makes a stop in Cupertino.

As long as it doesn't turn out like that South Park episode and Tony starts loving the smell of his own farts.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

He might as well, everybody else has gone nuts.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

He might as well, everybody else has gone nuts.

Maybe the suit turns them into Febreeze, and the suit releases a puff of nice smelling air out of his ass on a timer.

 

[ares834]

The anti-diversity crowd hates that the changes were made at all.

Uggh. So people who don't like the changes are "anti-diversity" now?

 

[jonathancrane]

The reaction is a recycling of the same fanboy of that for Superior Spider-Man and Batman RIP and WinterCap. Sure, some can argue that it's been done before, but at this point, everything's been done to death -- Thor fought Galactus how many times? Odin died how many times? Surtur unleashed his fury how many times? Etc. Etc. Etc. Etc.

 

[ares834]

You see, I disagree. The authors just need to get creative. Just look at the Gorr arc in GoT, I can't think of anything (certainly not any Thor-centric stories) similar to that.

 

[Doppelganger]

You see, I disagree. The authors just need to get creative. Just look at the Gorr arc in GoT, I can't think of anything (certainly not any Thor-centric stories) similar to that.

Game of Thrones?

Seriously what is GoT?

 

[ares834]

God of Thunder.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

You see, I disagree. The authors just need to get creative. Just look at the Gorr arc in GoT, I can't think of anything (certainly not any Thor-centric stories) similar to that.

Yeah, that arc was wonderful, as is the rest of Aaron's run. He even introduced 3 badass female characters(hooray ladies!) and everybody was happy. Guess it wasn't enough.

 

[Anubis]

Well Gor kinda was done before. He was a cross between Thor's half brother the God Eater and Desak: Destroyer of Pantheons.

 

[Mad Ones]

Oh yeah. I remember people being concerned and complained about that before they read the story...

 

[hippie_hunter]

I guess Marvel can't win.

The pro-diversity crowd hates that the changes aren't permanent.

The anti-diversity crowd hates that the changes were made at all.

I really wouldn't consider myself to be in the pro-diversity crowd. I often find diversity by the Big Two to be nothing but focus group driven gimmicks who are doing it just for the sake of having diversity while geeky straight white men have no idea how to write minority, LGBT, and women characters. True diversity in comics comes from the indies IMO where the writers are actually writing them as genuine people and don't treat being gay, black, female, or transgendered as something to boost sales numbers.

But Sam as Captain America makes a lot of sense. The Falcon has evolved well beyond being Captain America's token black friend into a fully fleshed out character in his own right. And if Bucky weren't still alive, Sam should be the only choice to ever take up the mantle. Marvel does deserve a lot of credit for actually making a black Captain America without it feeling like a diversity driven gimmick. It's gimmicky in other ways, but in terms of having a black Captain America for the sake of having a black Captain America it is not. It's a much needed progression over what we've been seeing like how DC ruined Wally West in the New 52 or introduced Batwoman in 52.

So the fact that this is not some lame gimmicky diversity grab, if Marvel made this permanent, I would be pleasantly surprised if Marvel had this be permanent.

 

[roach]

 

[Doppelganger]

God of Thunder.

Thank you.

Oh and best Princess evar! t:

 

[Nathan]

 

[Tim_Riggins]

The problem with some established superheroes' being switched from white to black, or hell, even the other way around, or for example Thor being a woman (why the hell is she called Thor anyway?), is that it feels forced no matter how they do it.

They can keep doing it, it will still feel forced, it will still feel like pandering to the minorities, so they can better "identify" with their superheroes, it will still feel like a PC move "oh look how progressive we are, fabulous isn't it?". Any way they approach this, it is pandering.

Many have said it before, but just create new superheroes, new characters that can be black, asian, or whatever, don't just lazily pick a character that's been established for decades and go "oh well you know what, doesn't matter, it'll just be another guy behind the mask", yeah, well, it does matter.

 

[Doppelganger]

The problem with some established superheroes' being switched from white to black, or hell, even the other way around, or for example Thor being a woman (why the hell is she called Thor anyway?), is that it feels forced no matter how they do it.

They can keep doing it, it will still feel forced, it will still feel like pandering to the minorities, so they can better "identify" with their superheroes, it will still feel like a PC move "oh look how progressive we are, fabulous isn't it?". Any way they approach this, it is pandering.

Many have said it before, but just create new superheroes, new characters that can be black, asian, or whatever, don't just lazily pick a character that's been established for decades and go "oh well you know what, doesn't matter, it'll just be another guy behind the mask", yeah, well, it does matter.

I don't know. It depends from where they tackeled it. If they had this whole Thor switch as a result of Thor being unworthy and simply decided: well we need a new Thor/wielder of the Hammer, so why not a female? Then it's a rather natural progression in storytelling. you know Opportunity instead of a problem.

The Cap. change seems a little more iffy. Bringing Steve back and then reverse that decision again seems ... not so well planned.
For all we know Falcon measuring up to the former super soldier might be an interesting story by itself. So this weakness of: can he even throw the shield could even become a strong point of the new book. Everybody seems to agree that he has deserved this role.

So I am not sure about this being forced.

As for Pandering: It surely is but I rather see this as a marketing move of a business and if it works then they ought to have done it!

And I don't think creating new characters is an answer. They would just live in the shadows of the big names. As long as you don't also take the big ones out of the spotlight these new characters will have enormous difficulties in getting an audience.

I look at Ms. Marvel/Kamala Khan and that went extremely well. I am interested in how this goes and willing to give it a chance. If this bombs or sucks it will revert back. If it works: great!

I am especially curious if this is what will happen in the MCU phase 4. Might be a good testing run.