Capcom Marvel vs. Capcom 3

[Timstuff]

In all honesty, I'd say that less half the Capcom characters characters from TVC are recognizeable enough to the general userbase to be worth porting over to MVC3, but they do at least have Morrigan and Viewtiful Joe in there, both of whom would be a must. If there's only going to be about 15 characters per side though, I would definitely say Megaman would take priority over Roll, Guile would take priority over Alex, etc. TVC was made for the Japanese market, so Capcom was able to throw in a lot of characters who don't have much presence with Western gamers. However, with MVC3 it would be a very different story, so if Capcom is smart they'll stick to the fan favorites for the most part.

 

[Havok83]

In all honesty, I'd say that less half the Capcom characters characters from TVC are recognizeable enough to the general userbase to be worth porting over to MVC3, but they do at least have Morrigan and Viewtiful Joe in there, both of whom would be a must. If there's only going to be about 15 characters per side though, I would definitely say Megaman would take priority over Roll, Guile would take priority over Alex, etc. TVC was made for the Japanese market, so Capcom was able to throw in a lot of characters who don't have much presence with Western gamers. However, with MVC3 it would be a very different story, so if Capcom is smart they'll stick to the fan favorites for the most part.

with the exception of Saki, I think all the characters are recognizable enough

 

[Tron Bonne]

Have to agree with Havok on that, outside one or two standouts I think most of the Capcom list is pretty recognizable for most

I think if that were the case, Capcom USA wouldn't be trying at all to get TVC released here in the States

 

[Havok83]

Have to agree with Havok on that, outside one or two standouts I think most of the Capcom list is pretty recognizable for most

I think if that were the case, Capcom USA wouldn't be trying at all to get TVC released here in the States

They are? Cool bc I thought there was no hope at all. If they do manage to bring it over, I sure hope they release it on the PS3/360 bc I dont think the audience for the game over here is on the Wii

 

[Timstuff]

In your opinions the Tatsunoko vs. Capcom roster may be fine, but I am looking at this from the "big picture" perspective. TVC is a fairly niche title, and MVC3, if and when they make it, is gonna be huge. If the game was going to have a giant roster, then they certainly could throw in whatever characters they want, but if they can only have about 15 characters from each side (which I am very confident will be the case), they can't afford to suck up all the slots with schmos that most gamers either have never heard of or don't give a crap about. Let's have a look at TVC's Capcom roster, shall we?

Ryu: Just about every gamer knows him, so he's a lock
Chun Li: same as above
Batsu Ichimonji: I understand that Rival Schools is a cult classic, but I've never met anyone who plays it regularly, and i had to look this guy up to even know who he was. Pass.
Alex: I know who he is, but only because I played Street Fighter 3. Most people haven't though, and personally I'd rather keep a slot open for Guile. Pass.
Morrigan Aensland: She's been in pretty much every Capcom crossover game, so she's pretty much a lock.
Sōki: The last good Onimusha game was Onimusha 3, which makes this character irrelevant to 90% of gamers. Pass.
Megaman Volnutt: I'd rather have the classic Megaman (or Megaman X), but I'd settle for Volnutt. So I'll say "tentative lock."
Roll: Seriously, who wants to play as Roll? She's not even a fighter. Pass.
Saki Omokane: Um... Does this even need an explanation? No-one knows who this character is. Pass.
Viewtiful Joe: An awesome character from a modern Capcom classic. And he's a superhero! Lock.
Yami: Given that Okami is a huge cult favorite, I guess it's fair for it to get some representation in MVC3. 50/50

So that's approximately 5.5, half of the 11 character Capcom roster, so that would be either 5 or 6 characters that MVC3 would likely have in common with TVC, leaving up to 10 more slots open. Personally, I'd rather see the rest of those 9-10 slots go to characters who are actually worth giving a crap about, rather than wasting them with obscure characters who have virtually no recognition outside of Japan. If they ported over the entire cast of TVC, realistically there'd only be 4 slots left for characters that are actually popular, and that just plain isn't good enough. Use logic, people!

 

[Brainiac 8]

Say what you will about Roll, she was awesome in Marvel vs Capcom 2.

 

[Timstuff]

This is my 30 character list. It's not perfect by any means, and I had to leave out a lot of characters that I wanted to put on here, but I'm trying to be realistic with my expectations. 30 characters, 15 on each side. The way I see it, if Capcom wants to they can always release a downloadable expansion or a 2.5 sequel (i.e. "Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3") that brings in more characers. I wanted to prioritize though, because again, this is my "realistic expectations list." This isn't like Marvel Vs. Capcom 2, where they can just copy and paste characters like a glorified Mugen (unless they're from Street Fighter 4 or TVC, in which case they can be ported with minor modifications). I tried to get a lot of favorites in here with some new stuff, I really don't see how the roster could be bigger than 30 characters

Marvel

1. Spider-Man
2. Deadpool
3. Cable
4. Wolverine
5. Cyclops
6. Magneto
7. Psylocke
8. Iron Man
9. Gambit
10. Hulk
11. Captain America
12. Thor
13. Dr. Doom
14. Rogue
15. Venom

Capcom

1. Ryu
2. Chun Li
3. Guile
4. Dhalism
5. Bison
6. Cammy
7. Sakura
8. Morrigan
9. Viewtiful Joe
10. Dante
11. Captain Commando
12. Strider
13. Rad Spencer
14. Jin Saotome
15. Mega Man

 

[Brainiac 8]

Marvel

1. Spider-Man
2. Deadpool
3. Cable
4. Wolverine
5. Cyclops
6. Magneto
7. Psylocke
8. Iron Man
9. Gambit
10. Hulk
11. Captain America
12. Thor
13. Dr. Doom
14. Rogue
15. Venom

Capcom

1. Ryu
2. Chun Li
3. Guile
4. Dhalism
5. Bison
6. Cammy
7. Sakura
8. Morrigan
9. Viewtiful Joe
10. Dante
11. Captain Commando
12. Strider
13. Rad Spencer
14. Jin Saotome
15. Mega Man

Too many X-Men and Street Fighter characters in my opinion, but overall good list.

I think Thanos should stay in it, and we need some new Marvel characters other than Deadpool, or this will just be Marvel vs Capcom 1.5. Maybe Invisible Woman or Human Torch to get some FF love in there. Plus it's been too long since they finally add Thor to the roster.

Capcom should keep Jill Valentine and add in Okami to the roster.

 

[Timstuff]

Too many X-Men and Street Fighter characters in my opinion, but overall good list.

I think Thanos should stay in it, and we need some new Marvel characters other than Deadpool, or this will just be Marvel vs Capcom 1.5. Maybe Invisible Woman or Human Torch to get some FF love in there. Plus it's been too long since they finally add Thor to the roster.

Capcom should keep Jill Valentine and add in Okami to the roster.

Hmm... You do make some good points, I've got a ton of Street Fighter and X-Men characters in there, lol. Looking back, I think I'd loose an X-Man and Street Fighter on each side for the following:

Marvel

1. Spider-Man
2. Deadpool
3. Cable
4. Wolverine
5. Cyclops
6. Magneto
7. Psylocke
8. Iron Man
9. Daredevil
10. Hulk
11. Captain America
12. Thor
13. Dr. Doom
14. Rogue
15. Venom

Capcom

1. Ryu
2. Chun Li
3. Guile
4. Dhalism
5. Bison
6. Cammy
7. Jill Valentine
8. Morrigan
9. Viewtiful Joe
10. Dante
11. Captain Commando
12. Strider
13. Rad Spencer
14. Jin Saotome
15. Mega Man

 

[Havok83]

In your opinions the Tatsunoko vs. Capcom roster may be fine, but I am looking at this from the "big picture" perspective. TVC is a fairly niche title, and MVC3, if and when they make it, is gonna be huge. If the game was going to have a giant roster, then they certainly could throw in whatever characters they want, but if they can only have about 15 characters from each side (which I am very confident will be the case), they can't afford to suck up all the slots with schmos that most gamers either have never heard of or don't give a crap about. Let's have a look at TVC's Capcom roster, shall we?

Ryu: Just about every gamer knows him, so he's a lock
Chun Li: same as above
Batsu Ichimonji: I understand that Rival Schools is a cult classic, but I've never met anyone who plays it regularly, and i had to look this guy up to even know who he was. Pass.
Alex: I know who he is, but only because I played Street Fighter 3. Most people haven't though, and personally I'd rather keep a slot open for Guile. Pass.
Morrigan Aensland: She's been in pretty much every Capcom crossover game, so she's pretty much a lock.
Sōki: The last good Onimusha game was Onimusha 3, which makes this character irrelevant to 90% of gamers. Pass.
Megaman Volnutt: I'd rather have the classic Megaman (or Megaman X), but I'd settle for Volnutt. So I'll say "tentative lock."
Roll: Seriously, who wants to play as Roll? She's not even a fighter. Pass.
Saki Omokane: Um... Does this even need an explanation? No-one knows who this character is. Pass.
Viewtiful Joe: An awesome character from a modern Capcom classic. And he's a superhero! Lock.
Yami: Given that Okami is a huge cult favorite, I guess it's fair for it to get some representation in MVC3. 50/50

So that's approximately 5.5, half of the 11 character Capcom roster, so that would be either 5 or 6 characters that MVC3 would likely have in common with TVC, leaving up to 10 more slots open. Personally, I'd rather see the rest of those 9-10 slots go to characters who are actually worth giving a crap about, rather than wasting them with obscure characters who have virtually no recognition outside of Japan. If they ported over the entire cast of TVC, realistically there'd only be 4 slots left for characters that are actually popular, and that just plain isn't good enough. Use logic, people!

The original MvC had some obscure names in there too. Captian Commando and Strider were forgotten franchises by the time they were included and the game Cyberbbots where Jin came from never became big outside of Japan as it was never ported the consoles here and only recieved a limited release in arcades. I didnt say that the TvC cast should be all that represented Capcom nor would I want it to be but its a good base for them in which they could add a few more fighters to round out the Capcom side. This is Marvel vs Capcom we are talking here, not Marvel vs SF and what I liked with the last game, and TvC was that they contained a wide range of characters from across Capcom's rich library. I hope that continues with MvC3 and it isnt simply the usual suspects

 

[Timstuff]

The thing about crossover games like MVC and SSB though, is that most people have an easy time finding a favorite character to play as. If TVC came to America, pretty much the only characters people would recognize are Ryu, Chun Li, Morrigan, Megaman, and Viewtiful Joe. I put Jin and Captain Commando on the list because they've been in the MVC series from the start, and they're popular with players. However, if they're going to suck up a sizeable chunk of the Capcom roster with ported-over characters, I'd rather most of them come from SF4 than TVC because SF4 has more characters who myself and others actually give a flip about.

I seriously think that TVC's Capcom roster would be a poor choice for a starting point for MVC3. If that's what Capcom wants to do, then TVC will also likely be the gameplay base for MVC3, which in turn would be a disappointment because Street Fighter IV is a better game, has deeper gameplay, and has better graphics. If all you want is Tatsunoko vs. Capcom with a Tatsunoko replaced with Marvel, then your standards IMO are too low. Keep in mind that there is no-where for Capcom to port over the Marvel characters from, so I'd rather Capcom not overdue it with the "ported" characters on Capcom's side, and furthermore I'd prefer that they stick to porting characters that most gamers would actually want to play as.

 

[Havok83]

Most gamers never played TvC and therefore never played as those characters in a fighting game, so they dont know if they'd like or dislike them. Same went for the 2 previous MvC games which included characters from non-fighting games

 

[The Riddler]

The thing about crossover games like MVC and SSB though, is that most people have an easy time finding a favorite character to play as. If TVC came to America, pretty much the only characters people would recognize are Ryu, Chun Li, Morrigan, Megaman, and Viewtiful Joe. I put Jin and Captain Commando on the list because they've been in the MVC series from the start, and they're popular with players. However, if they're going to suck up a sizeable chunk of the Capcom roster with ported-over characters, I'd rather most of them come from SF4 than TVC because SF4 has more characters who myself and others actually give a flip about.

I seriously think that TVC's Capcom roster would be a poor choice for a starting point for MVC3. If that's what Capcom wants to do, then TVC will also likely be the gameplay base for MVC3, which in turn would be a disappointment because Street Fighter IV is a better game, has deeper gameplay, and has better graphics. If all you want is Tatsunoko vs. Capcom with a Tatsunoko replaced with Marvel, then your standards IMO are too low. Keep in mind that there is no-where for Capcom to port over the Marvel characters from, so I'd rather Capcom not overdue it with the "ported" characters on Capcom's side, and furthermore I'd prefer that they stick to porting characters that most gamers would actually want to play as.

agreed. tvc is not a good start point. i doubt they'd use the sfiv engine but i'd wish they would.

if you're looking at rosters, you don't look at tvc you look at previous mvc games. they should take previous rosters and cut down on the characters obviously, but keep the core rosters from there with a few additions (like viewtiful joe).

 

[Timstuff]

I wouldn't rule out Capcom using the SF4 engine. Obviously, Capcom wouldn't want MVC3 to feel like "Street Fighter 4.5," but with some minor modifications (like adding tag teams, aerial fighting, etc.) it could work out quite nicely. Also, since it'd be a Marvel game, the comic book-style graphics would fit perfectly.

 

[The Dude]

Sticking with the 15 from each, I came up with

MARVEL
1)Spider-Man
2)Venom
3)Captain America
4)Iron Man
5)Thor
6)Deadpool
7)Hulk
8)Wolverine
9)Gambit
10)Magneto
11)Iron Fist
12)Cyclops
13)Dr. Doom
14)Storm
15)Ms. Marvel

CAPCOM
1)Ryu
2)Ken
3)Chun-Li
4)Guile
5)M. Bison
6)Akuma
7)Jill Valentine
8)Albert Wesker
9)Morrigan
10)Viewtiful Joe
11)Dante
12)Megaman
13)Roll
14)Felisha
15)Captain Commando

Had to fight the urge to completely overload the Capcom roster with street fighter characters.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Sticking with the 15 from each, I came up with

MARVEL
1)Spider-Man
2)Venom
3)Captain America
4)Iron Man
5)Thor
6)Deadpool
7)Hulk
8)Wolverine
9)Gambit
10)Magneto
11)Iron Fist
12)Cyclops
13)Dr. Doom
14)Storm
15)Invisible Woman

CAPCOM
1)Ryu
2)Ken
3)Chun-Li
4)Guile
5)M. Bison
6)Okami
7)Jill Valentine
8)Strider
9)Morrigan
10)Viewtiful Joe
11)Dante
12)Megaman
13)Roll
14)Felisha
15)Captain Commando

Had to fight the urge to completely overload the Capcom roster with street fighter characters.

This is almost a perfect roster. My changes in bold.

Only a couple in the Capcom dept, but mostly a perfect set in my opinion. I really like who you chose for Marvel. Only replace Ms. Marvel for Invisible Woman.

 

[Timstuff]

Braniac, your revision to The Dude's list looks good, but I want Rad Spencer in there somewhere. I'd swap out Roll for him.

 

[Havok83]

Id take out Jill and swap in Chris or Leon for her. Its time we got a different representation of RE in there. Id swap in Zero for Roll. Id also add at least 1 Rival Schools character.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Braniac, your revision to The Dude's list looks good, but I want Rad Spencer in there somewhere. I'd swap out Roll for him.

I thought about him too...his grapple would make for some great attacks and combos. I would want the original Spencer though, not the new game abomination they are trying to pass off as Rad Spencer lately.

Id take out Jill and swap in Chris or Leon for her. Its time we got a different representation of RE in there. Id swap in Zero for Roll. Id also add at least 1 Rival Schools character.

I don't know, I really loved Jill in the second game. She was surprisingly awesome...so I would rather them keep her, especially considering there are normally more male characters than female.

 

[Timstuff]

Yeah, I agree. Jill was a great character, and if they were going to drop her for a different character it should at least be another female, because there are enough males in the cast as it is.

 

[Havok83]

Yeah, I agree. Jill was a great character, and if they were going to drop her for a different character it should at least be another female, because there are enough males in the cast as it is.

Then put in Claire. I liked Jill in MvC2 as well but I want some new blood in there. I dont want the same characters representing 1 franchise all the time. Morrigan, Im looking at you

 

[Timstuff]

Whatever Deadpool's special move list in MVC (hypothetically) is, there is one move that he absolutely must have...

 

[Tron Bonne]

They are? Cool bc I thought there was no hope at all. If they do manage to bring it over, I sure hope they release it on the PS3/360 bc I dont think the audience for the game over here is on the Wii

They would have already from what I've read, but the main problem is that that all the T-side of the roster is owned by multiple companies here in the States.

In your opinions the Tatsunoko vs. Capcom roster may be fine, but I am looking at this from the "big picture" perspective

Hey, you were originally just talking about recongizablity and all me and Havok are saying is that these Capcom character in TVC aren't nearly as obscure as you originally made them out to be. Maybe there was a misunderstanding, but I don't think anyone was 'promoting' these characters for a MVC3, just saying they weren't really that unknown.

Also, Roll is awesome. And Miss Tron takes priority over all. Period.

 

[Brainiac 8]

Yes, I would actually be very upset were they to do another MvC and leave out Tron Bonne. She was one of my best fighters and her super when they get run over by all the servbots was awesome.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Yes, I would actually be very upset were they to do another MvC and leave out Tron Bonne. She was one of my best fighters and her super when they get run over by all the servbots was awesome.

Indeed. A MVC3 without a Tron Bonne? I would still buy it, but there would definitely be a huge, gaping hole that I would feel