Marvel vs. Capcom: A Thread of Two Worlds

[Havok83]

Because those characters don't contradict with anything Marvel was pushing at the time. Sam Alexander didn't exist when the game was being made (his first comic appearance came out the same month as UMVC3) and it's not like they had introduced a brand new character also named Jean Grey who looks nothing like Classic Jean.

Classic Venom in the game actively contradicts what they were pushing in the comics because he was Anti-Venom when MVC3 came out and by the time Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3 was out, they were now marketing Venom as the heroic Agent Venom.

Or they simply just went with the more popular versions. Alot of heroes have been replaced with females and minorities taken up the mantle in recent years, but I doubt we will see Jane Foster as Thor, for example. We already know Tony Stark is Iron Man and not Doom or even Riri. I expect to see the classics here and not the newbies, outside of an alternate costume. We saw the same thing with Marvel Heroes as they chose classic Venom instead of Agent Venom when they added him

B*******. I'm not calling that b******* on your end but I am calling it b******* on Marvel and Capcom's end, because if Marvel really only wanted characters that were active and still alive in the comic books then why did they allow Jean Grey and Richard Rider in Marvel vs Capcom? Jean Grey was dead at the time and they hadn't replaced her with the teenage version from All Star X-Men and Rick Rider was dead and Sam Alexander was the current Nova but they still used Ricks version. So there's no excuse why Eddie Brock's Venom couldn't have been in the game.

Jean Grey may be dead but her legacy sure isnt. She's been used pretty consistently in the books to drive story and affect the characters (even without being around) and they continue to market her with the X-men and push her in outside media through cartoons (WaTX), games (MUA2, Marvel Heroes, MvC3 and more), movies (XM:A). They've also had AR versions of her be major figures in other books such as AoA and Ultimate X-men. I think she is a special case and she's pretty much been the defining female X-men, at least next to Storm

 

[MbJ]

Or they simply just went with the more popular versions.

I'm not sure what you mean in regards to what I just posted. What I was just saying was that when the game was being worked on, there was no other Nova yet, therefore it was not a case of them actively choosing to forego Sam Alexander because they wanted to use Richard Rider even though he was dead. When the game was in production, I'm sure they probably didn't know much if anything about there being a new Nova, given how the turn around time on a video game is much lengthier than that of a monthly comic book.

So the other poster using Nova as an example of how Marvel and Capcom were lying about the reason for Venom not being used doesn't quite work in this case.

 

[Havok83]

I'm not sure what you mean in regards to what I just posted. What I was just saying was that when the game was being worked on, there was no other Nova yet, therefore it was not a case of them actively choosing to forego Sam Alexander because they wanted to use Richard Rider even though he was dead. When the game was in production, I'm sure they probably didn't know much if anything about there being a new Nova, given how the turn around time on a video game is much lengthier than that of a monthly comic book.

So the other poster using Nova as an example of how Marvel and Capcom were lying about the reason for Venom not being used doesn't quite work in this case.

my bad if I misread it

Anyways you guys think there will be assists? That wasnt mentioned but prior to the reveal, one of the rumors said that the gameplay would be more like MvC in that it would be 2x2 and feature assist characters again. We got confirmation of 2x2 but Im wondering if they are saving assists for a later reveal

 

[X Knight]

my bad if I misread it

Anyways you guys think there will be assists? That wasnt mentioned but prior to the reveal, one of the rumors said that the gameplay would be more like MvC in that it would be 2x2 and feature assist characters again. We got confirmation of 2x2 but Im wondering if they are saving assists for a later reveal

I thought I read/heard assists were gone, with more emphasis on the Tag system.

edit: this guy did a detailed gameplay breakdown video.

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according to him, assists are gone to put more emphasis on the tag aspect of the gameplay.

edit 2: here's another article detailing gameplay that again says that the traditional assist system is gone. You pick 2 fighters and an Infinity Stone, with the stone acting as an assist-substitute so to speak.

http://shoryuken.com/2016/12/04/mar...features-freeform-two-character-combo-system/

edit 3: and another gameplay article linked to in the article above.

http://www.gameinformer.com/games/m...are-made-more-chaotic-by-infinity-stones.aspx

 

[zenith16]

I'm not sure what you mean in regards to what I just posted. What I was just saying was that when the game was being worked on, there was no other Nova yet, therefore it was not a case of them actively choosing to forego Sam Alexander because they wanted to use Richard Rider even though he was dead. When the game was in production, I'm sure they probably didn't know much if anything about there being a new Nova, given how the turn around time on a video game is much lengthier than that of a monthly comic book.

So the other poster using Nova as an example of how Marvel and Capcom were lying about the reason for Venom not being used doesn't quite work in this case.

well no most dev's for games are usually in heavy talk's with marvel over the characters they can use and arallowed to put inttheir games permission wise. and in nova (Richard rider) case marvel was pushing him as missing / dead, mostly missing.

the thing is they were pushing sam the more recent nova cause it was tribute to one of the writers at marvel's own son that died in real life . but there were fan push when it came to the nova's and games most especially marvel heroes where people want Richard Rider, more so they put both character's in where that video game is involved. and sam is caostume option but has his own attitude and difffernt stance's and using his powers differently from Richard rider.

now venom where marvel heroes was involved from what the devs told both me and guy called tribal sage there, the plan was to put out both agent venom (flash Thomson) and the original venom as separate characters. the thing is they already had the asset's for the latter made due to them making the black spider man symbiote costume in that game already and what they did with thorog.

So it was already easy to make, while agent venom fighting style is different from classic venom cause hes a gun user & just fights differently

they said they doing the same for Madelyn prior when they release her in the game to show how's she's different from jean and the same for polaris to show how she's different magneto . but this was also when the former director that went by doom saw was there.


it's hard for my self to say with capcom cause unlike them I talked to the marvel heroes dev's. Capcom's dev's not so much

 

[TheVileOne]

Given that this series started off as X-Men Vs Street Fighter it would be ironic if X-Men and Street Fighter characters made up only a tiny portion of the final roster.

The fundamentals technically started with X-Men: Children of the Atom. The first vs. game was X-Men vs. Street Fighter.

 

[MbJ]

the thing is they were pushing sam the more recent nova cause it was tribute to one of the writers at marvel's own son that died in real life .

I will say again, Sam Alexander debuted the same month the game came out. Obviously they had enough of a heads up to include his Ultimate Spider-Man look as an alternate costume but the decision to use Richard came way before Sam was published.

 

[TheVileOne]

Mbj, Nova wasn't in the original lineup. He joined in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom.

Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom came out in November.

That being said, you are probably right. Sam Nova wasn't really well-established long enough for him to make it into the Marvel vs. Capcom 3 game. Nova was pretty prominent back in the late 00s with Annihilation and what not.

 

[Nathan]

According to a leaker, the rumors that the game is heavily MCU focused are true, but X-Men and Fantastic Four as DLC are a done deal. Well, let's see if it turns out to be true.

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[Havok83]

Mbj, Nova wasn't in the original lineup. He joined in Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom.

Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom came out in November.

That being said, you are probably right. Sam Nova wasn't really well-established long enough for him to make it into the Marvel vs. Capcom 3 game. Nova was pretty prominent back in the late 00s with Annihilation and what not.

He's not incorrect. Sam debuted in Marvel Point One #1, which came out in November of 2011, the same month that Nova was added to UMvC3, which launched in Novemebr 2011

 

[zenith16]

I will say again, Sam Alexander debuted the same month the game came out. Obviously they had enough of a heads up to include his Ultimate Spider-Man look as an alternate costume but the decision to use Richard came way before Sam was published.

no your not fallowing me, I know your talking the marvel v capcom games but where rick Richard rider was involved in most games they had an edict to push sam Alexander. and there was a license issue over Richard rider during the year of 2014 as well.

you are correct about the time Sam Alexander debuted



this was told us by the dev's of marvel heroes the game and there had to be a mojor vote cause the fan base wasn't happy to hear that. next it being about one of the writers son tribute (after the latter died of illness ) reason also.
from: #230

NOVA

Tentative Release Date

• 2014

Tentative Availability

• Free for Ultimate Pack Owners
• 900G
• 400 ES

Sources

• @Doomsaw confirms price of Nova https://forums.marvelheroes.com/discussion/comment/508717/#Comment_508717
• @Doomsaw states Nova will be out sometime in 2014 https://forums.marvelheroes.com/discussion/comment/466843/#Comment_466843
• @Doomsaw has stated that the licensing situation has been resolved, so at this point Nova just needs to be developed https://forums.marvelheroes.com/discussion/comment/493744/#Comment_493744

According to a leaker, the rumors that the game is heavily MCU focused are true, but X-Men and Fantastic Four as DLC are a done deal. Well, let's see if it turns out to be true.

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as I expected hope it's accurate.

 

[Iceman]

The fundamentals technically started with X-Men: Children of the Atom. The first vs. game was X-Men vs. Street Fighter.

Yeah, even more reason for X-Men to feature!

 

[Iceman]

According to a leaker, the rumors that the game is heavily MCU focused are true, but X-Men and Fantastic Four as DLC are a done deal. Well, let's see if it turns out to be true.

I don't mind if they are in DLC. Will be cool to get F4 too.

 

[Havok83]

man thats lame. So Capcom will yet again make a $60, about $90+ to access all characters. They continue to do this BS and get away with it.

 

[BoredGuy]

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/12/09/marvel-vs-capcom-infinite-wants-to-be-approachable-yet-complex-2?abthid=584aeb363f44a8f426000017

Still thinking at least Wolverine will be in the game day one
He's too important to the competitive community to not include

Outside of him, Cable, and maybe Iceman or Magneto, I wouldn't mind all that much if the rest of the X-Men didn't show up, never used 'em anyway

 

[X Knight]

out of the X-Men, the only 3 I want are X-23, Psylocke, and Gambit.

 

[TheVileOne]

man thats lame. So Capcom will yet again make a $60, about $90+ to access all characters. They continue to do this BS and get away with it.

DLC for fighting games is nothing new. Warner Bros. Interactive and NetherRealm did it for Mortal Kombat X too.

 

[Iceman]

out of the X-Men, the only 3 I want are X-23, Psylocke, and Gambit.

I like them all but that would be a truly pathetic selection! We've had 16 years of X-films and you can tell by how many lines those characters have gotten how core they are considered. t:

 

[Nathan]

I hope we'll get some X-Men that have never been in a VS game before. Like Armor. She actually made 4th place on the Japanese Poll, and I think she'd be a great fit for the game.

 

[Iceman]

Some never before used X-Men and never before used Marvel characters can add to the unique identity of the game. That's all cool once a good helping of core characters have been dished out.

 

[BoredGuy]

Armor would be pretty fun
Where's she at these days in the comics??

 

[Havok83]

I think she has a slim to no chance shot of being in considering she hasnt been seen in years and there are no current plans to do anything with her.

If I had to pick an X-man thats never been used, Id go for Havok. He's been an X-man and Avenger and has an interesting powerset that would look amazing visually.

Female wise, Magik would be interesting. I could see her having a mix of Hayato and Jills moves with a mix of Dr. Strange. That sounds like such a weird combo that could actually work

Armor would be pretty fun
Where's she at these days in the comics??

presumably the Jean Grey school im limbo but she hasnt been seen in a couple of years

 

[Iceman]

I'd love both of those.

 

[X Knight]

ooh! Magik would be a nice addition, too.

and now that you mention her, I'd really like to see her now. I'd take her if I don't get Scarlet or Psylocke.

isn't Magik supposed to be in one of the upcoming X films?

 

[Havok83]

ooh! Magik would be a nice addition, too.

and now that you mention her, I'd really like to see her now. I'd take her if I don't get Scarlet or Psylocke.

isn't Magik supposed to be in one of the upcoming X films?

yeah New Mutants, if it ever comes out.

She sounds so good on paper. She's a teleporter, has a big sword, is a sorceress with access to spells and she can conjure up demons to fight alongside her. Plus I really want to use her against Dr. Strange