Mass Effect 3 - - - Part 12

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Jack is one of my fave characters in the ME universe. She has some of the best dialogue and her character arc is great, too.

"Garrus. I see your face is still ****ed up."

Bwahahahaha!

I wish the love interest would have been better in ME3... Miranda and Jack really got the shaft :cmad:

They really did and it still bugs me. Bioware handled ME2 romances horribly.
 
I think they bit off more than they could chew by introducing so many new characters and romance options in ME2 that may or may not be dead in ME3.
 
I think the bigger problem is that BW flinched. They talked a tough game for six years about choices having consequences, it all coming full circle, etc....then they flinched. It is like they got so worried about scaring off the casual gamer who hadn't played ME1 and 2 that they decided to make most decisions matter as little more than a number.
 
I agree with you matt that is a possibility. it's pointless to have somany other romance options for you character to have a good load of them not fully explored to their completetion. I want my kelly chambers damn it. Or at least to know i'd have left offspring with her as a legacy.
 
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I think the bigger problem is that BW flinched. They talked a tough game for six years about choices having consequences, it all coming full circle, etc....then they flinched. It is like they got so worried about scaring off the casual gamer who hadn't played ME1 and 2 that they decided to make most decisions matter as little more than a number.

I don't think they were worried about scaring off casuals necessarily, I think that stuff came from a much more selfish place. I think they made a bunch of content and they made damn sure everyone sees it regardless of the decisions the player made.

You killed the Rachni Queen? You destroyed the Geth? TOO BAD LOL! We made those assets and you're going to see them!
 
It is like they got so worried about scaring off the casual gamer who hadn't played ME1 and 2 that they decided to make most decisions matter as little more than a number.

I absolutely think thats what happened and i fully hold EA accountable for that. I remember falling out of my seat laughing when they claimed that "Mass Effect 3 is the perfect time to come into the series". ARE YOU F***ING KIDDING ME!?!? NO thats not the perfect time to come in, its the absolute worst. I really feel we(ppl who were there at ME1) didn't get as good a game as the people just picking up the series for the first time. For once i want a company to make a gotdamn sequel that completely screws over anyone who didn't play or see the previous title. I want to be rewarded for sticking it out.
 
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I wish the love interest would have been better in ME3... Miranda and Jack really got the shaft :cmad:

I was thinking about that earlier. I would of been really pissed had i of gotten attached to Jack or Miranda. Luckily i chose Tali and i felt the relationship there was great, but not having Jack or Miranda have a much bigger role if you chose to romance them really bites.
 
I think saying none of the decisions mattered is a pretty silly honestly when its impossible to get the best case scenario's for the Genophage cure and the Geth/Quarian war, essentially the first half of the game, without not only an import but one that has the right conditions.

I would even go so far to say that yes - most of the decisions mattered on some level. Seeing characters like Mordin and Wrex for example that I knew and getting to complete their character arcs provided totally different experiences than when I ran through with Padok and Wreave.

Now if you're saying it didn't create a wholly different game in terms of levels and such - then no but that was never in the cards.

The dilemma that BW always faced was what do they do with the content that somebody might not experience because they made a different decision. The choice is either to make the game much shorter so that they can include alt content or to make it so that everyone can experience the same basic level of content so as not to penalize gamers for playing ME a different way.

They really in truth did no less than what they did w/ ME2 in relation to all of that. And there most certainly were people who leveled the exact same complaint against the second game.

Now this being the last game that's admittedly more problematic when it happens but the only places honestly where I felt they messed up seriously in regards to that was the Rachni and the Collector base.

You might be dissapointed for example that Jack or Thane are not squadmates, and in some cases such as Miranda I'll certainly agree that they could have gone further in terms of what was there but that is just the reality of game design - there is no game out there that has had to function as both a stand alone and a sequel in which the characters and concepts available can be vastly different from player to player, but when the core content is I would say immensely better with their presence to the point where its clear it was designed with them in mind, the idea that the game was concieved in mind for newbies doesn't gel to me.

Its definitely a thin line to walk and sometimes I think they fell on the wrong side of that line, but for the most part they did a pretty good job.
 
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I don't think missing out on content in this way is being penalized though. I think it would make the game all the richer to be able to have completely different experience than your friends and then talk about that.
 
The thing is if one person has a 30+ hr experience and another has a 20-25 hr game the latter person might be justifiably peeved off that they're missing out on content because they didn't play the game the right way.
 
But my point is that in these types of games where you're ostensibly given choices and branching paths and whatnot there is no "right" way to play it.
 
Agreed - but I think having an abundance of sidequests verses somebody having no sidequests very much indicates a qualitative "right way".
 
Agreed - but I think having an abundance of sidequests verses somebody having no sidequests very much indicates a qualitative "right way".

Well the "right way" should be playing the games in the series. I mean i should get more game because iv sunk a previous 100 hours into this series vs someone who just popped into the ME world with ME3.
 
You can play all three games and have all but 2 of your ME2 squad dead. I'm not even talking about somebody picking up 3 by itself.
 
You can play all three games and have all but 2 of your ME2 squad dead. I'm not even talking about somebody picking up 3 by itself.

Ah yea, i see.

I was just going off what EA said about ME3.

I really just dont think the experience is that much different coming into ME3 having not played the others. At least its not as different as it should of been, imo. Granted those little character interactions are great or long time players, but eh, i guess there could of been more.
 
Having actually played a character over the course of the entire series in which I had done everything as possibly wrong as I could (which I would guess is pretty close to a new player):

Most of the major beats are the same (Need Krogan support, Need cure) but I definitely felt a far greater degree of variation than I did in any other ME. It wasn't just as an example a case of Hey Mordin, Hey Wrex verses not but rather: Wreave is clearly going to start a new rebellion I Can't cure the Krogan.
 
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I was thinking about that earlier. I would of been really pissed had i of gotten attached to Jack or Miranda. Luckily i chose Tali and i felt the relationship there was great, but not having Jack or Miranda have a much bigger role if you chose to romance them really bites.

I stuck with Miranda.

Dat ass....





But seriously they really f-ed over the ME2 LIs. You know it's bad when I'd rather have Miranda die in my playthrough just so she actually contributes something meaningful to the story.
 
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They're not racist. They just don't like Space Gypsies. :p
 
That dude has a freakin ninja sword. Damn thats awesome. Hope i can unlock him before everyone else does.
 
I knew it was alway a cool Idea to pick adept. (that' why i did it)well I would wanted mine to have sai's to stand out from the other's using katana's . but that's just me. hehe.
 
ME panel is underway.

Just going to rattle off the points that I think are relevant:

They just started, kind of going into the extended cut a bit - the epilogues apparently show the state of the galaxy for the next 200-300 years.

They'll keep making MP DLC as long as people keep playing them.

There's "absolutely no canon ending".

They rolled out a short teaser of a submersible underwater - which jives with the Leviathan DLC leak so it looks like that's been officially confirmed.

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BLURRY IMAGE AHOY!

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Apparently Gamble showed a video of all the branching endings of the extended cut compared to that of the original game. **** like that stinks of desperation in my eyes. It is like saying, "See! It's different! We swear!"

Also, they are still keeping Hudson under wraps. I have to think that is intentional. He was their go to P.R. guy before all of this nonsense. I guess if nothing else, BW learned their lesson and is keeping the guy who writes checks that he can't cash on a leash.
 
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