Mass Effect 3 - Part 2

[Benstamania]

Also, did they even say if it will be a FULL FEATURE film? I'd have to chuckle if it turned out to be an animated DVD film that took place between Mass Effect 2 and 3 involving the events on Earth before Shepard arrives...

All of this bickering would be for nothing.

People can so up in arms over nothing anymore.

 

[Tron Bonne]

Comes off as B&Ming to me. I call 'em as I see 'em.

Then get glasses.

And the ironic thing is that redoing the same story is the fan service, not the other way around.

Precisely.

I didn't contradict myself at all, you just failed to process what I was saying but that's cool, i'll sum it up...

Lol, must be trying to take Pat's crown of passive aggressive condescending when arguing something they disagree with.

You can't look to this movie as an attempt to mimic everything the games do in a movie format, because the medium is different, so instead you have to adapt (because this is, after all, an adaptation) the elements that CAN work in a film medium.

Too many of you seem to be looking at this film as an auxillary experience to the games, something that can somehow run in tandem. Having Shepard would in no way shape or form detract from the games, in the same way that the game shouldn't detract from the movie if Shepard is the protagonist. WHATEVER the game is, RPG, Action, FPS, the player is in direct control of that character, so when they see that character portrayed in a movie, that disconnect will still be there, that intimacy is gone. That is a basic principle that you have to accept for any game adaptation.

That's just a completely flawed analogy, though. Because it's not really the same. Most games, like most other storytelling mediums, still have defined characters to some degree. You don't with Shepard. Shepard is a lot like Link or Samus. A totally faceless doll. The only difference is that you're given free reign with stickers and markers to play with this doll, but in the end, there is no defining anything there. Shepard is a do-it-yourself Solider doll.

And really, you're whole point here just sidesteps the real issue which others have brought up. The fact that you simply can't adapt this story properly in this format, and there's just no real point to do so. Outside, *fist bump* This story is awesome. Well, duh, we know the story is awesome, because we've all played the games. That's just a surface point that we're going beyond.

 

[Benstamania]

No, you call 'em as you want to see 'em because it makes it easier to dismiss other opinions that way.

...You're right, because everyone is wrong.. Other than me of course. No point in debating really.

 

[Benstamania]

Geesh you people...

 

[Tron Bonne]

Also, did they even say if it will be a FULL FEATURE film? I'd have to chuckle if it turned out to be an animated DVD film that took place between Mass Effect 2 and 3 involving the events on Earth before Shepard arrives...

All of this bickering would be for nothing.

People can so up in arms over nothing anymore.

Oh, well, I see the problem now, you seem to think any kind of disagreement with the general consensus as *****ing. I've never understand why people have to see things in such a black and white way in that regard, because I really haven't seen any *****ing here, or at least any without warranted and valid points. I actually thought this was a pretty good argument that didn't resort to that kind of stuff, but whatever, see what you want to see.

 

[Benstamania]

Better put on my glasses!

You don't with Shepard. Shepard is a lot like Link or Samus. A totally faceless doll. The only difference is that you're given free reign with stickers and markers to play with this doll, but in the end, there is no defining anything there. Shepard is a do-it-yourself Solider doll.

And really, you're whole point here just sidesteps the real issue which others have brought up. The fact that you simply can't adapt this story properly in this format, and there's just no real point to do so. Outside, *fist bump* This story is awesome. Well, duh, we know the story is awesome, because we've all played the games. That's just a surface point that we're going beyond.

This comes off as *****ing to me. Shepard is a faceless doll... And don't look at the box art because that doesn't count!

 

[Wolvieboy17]

No, you call 'em as you want to see 'em because it makes it easier to dismiss other opinions that way.

Why single him out? There was already a lot of that going on from plenty of posters

Yet again, this point is brought up, and yet again, I don't see anyone who is arguing for such a thing with this alternative. I mean, hell, isn't wanting to see the story on the big screen more so fanservice than doing something like a prequel or companion piece?

In what world does that possibly make sense? A movie is accessible to gamers and non gamers alike, so why would non gamers care about a companion piece to a game they have never player or cared about?

And, really, just dimissing everything as 'B&Ming' is not helping your point, especially when there's a lot of good points being brought up doesn't help your point.

I don't think you can really get sanctimonious when you just completely disregarded all my points, largely because you just have a different viewpoint.

 

[Tron Bonne]

This comes off as *****ing to me. Shepard is a faceless doll... And don't look at the box art because that doesn't count!

Have you seen the boxart yourself? He does kind of look like one

But anyway, it doesn't really, because as I mentioned, Bioware has been pretty forthcoming that there isn't a canonized Shepard, even putting a female Shepard on the third cover, I believe.

And that's considered *****ing to you? Haha, oh wow.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

The argument for a ME movie based on the games seems to boil down to "the story of the game was good so let's do that!"

To which the response is yes that's because both ME games are about 30-40 hours long. The structure of the plot of ME1&2 as would be absolutely atrocious on-screen without ripping out completely massive chunks of it.

even putting a female Shepard on the third cover, I believe.

She's going to be on one side of the CE box with MaleShep on the other.

 

[Tron Bonne]

In what world does that possibly make sense? A movie is accessible to gamers and non gamers alike, so why would non gamers care about a companion piece to a game they have never player or cared about?

For any reason they'd care about a film, regardless of its connection. It just adds another level to those familiar with the source and, more importantly, it adds more creatively to the franchise as a whole for fans and non-fans alike.

I don't think you can really get sanctimonious when you just completely disregarded all my points, largely because you just have a different viewpoint.

No, I actually just addressed your points in a post or two above. Not really sure what you're talking about it.

 

[Soapy]

In what world does that possibly make sense? A movie is accessible to gamers and non gamers alike, so why would non gamers care about a companion piece to a game they have never player or cared about?

How isn't a brand new story accessible to fans and the general audience? Fans would get to see a new facet of a universe they already love, and for the GA it would just be an exciting new science fiction adventure.

 

[Master Chief]

Seriously, this is so ridiculous.... Let me simply the ridiculousness of that argument.... Do you honestly think a 2 hour Mass Effect movie of ANY type, Shepard or no Shepard, could match the rich quality and experience of the Mass Effect game series? Seriously dude, how could a 2 hour movie even come close to portraying that experience.... The whole point is that they CAN'T because the experience of a video game and a movie are completely different, you interact with them differently, the effect of them is completely different.

So bearing that in mind, what things CAN a film draw on from the games, knowing they can't recreate them.... Universe, characters and story. Now, if you're looking at adapting these games and you KNOW you can't match the immersive nature of the game, and you need a damn good story for the movie, what do you do? Take the epic, grand scale story that WORKS from the game or do you try and make a completely different one? Sure every ME game is slightly varied, but let's be honest, it's not like it's a completely unique game to every single person, there are constants and a grand scope.... Humans are a new addition to the universe, from an alien point of view, we have humans trying to enter the council, we have a threat to the council that only a human knows about or is willing to stop, finishing with a human saving the galactic council. Then, if you include later ones, you have a human uniting a crew and uncovering a great threat, and then obviously saving earth in ME 3.

THAT is the most obvious, and interesting story, to tell in a film. Forgetting Shepard for the moment, would you want to see that story in a film?

Try and look at this from a 'what would make a good film perspective', because honestly, if you keep looking at it with the attitude of "How can this be the same experience of the game" you're going to be disappointed whatever they do.

The whole reason I'm against using the games as a base for the movie is because it's a different form of media. That's what I've been saying. I'd rather see Revelations adapted, it's a great introduction into the universe of Mass Effect and although it isn't as epic it's just as interesting as ME's story. It's also a story that is more suited for adapting to the big screen, but I'd much rather see an original story.

If their goal with this movie is to rope in new fans with a cliffnotes version of the first game then I will simply wait until I can watch it at home. If you were ok with how Russell was going to bastardize Uncharted though I don't think I'll debate this anymore lmao we're just from 2 way different schools of thought.

 

[Benstamania]

There's no "canonized" Shepard in the games... but the filmverse there's going to HAVE to be if they have Shepard at all (and we really have no idea if they will.) If they do it will probably be a male because often in Hollywood it's viewed that females can't draw big enough box office... Unless, for some reason, it's Milla Jovovich...

I think, and I've already said this, that the film NEEDS to have a "Shepard" in it. Be it the video game Shepard we all know and love OR a "descendant" of Shepard. The film could take place 20, 50, 100 years after the events of Mass Effect 3 and depending on how it ends Commander Shepard will be a well known hero of the...Well... Everything.

We could have a new hero in the Shepard family line trying to live up to his ancestors name sake... Or... Trying to get away from it. I DO think the movie would need that kind of "tie" to the original game series.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

How isn't a brand new story accessible to fans and the general audience? Fans would get to see a new facet of a universe they already love, and for the GA it would just be an exciting new science fiction adventure.

Exactly!

 

[Tron Bonne]

She's going to be on one side of the CE box with MaleShep on the other.

Oh, well, not quite the same thing, but it's still some acknowledgment. I don't understand why some are so resistant to this idea that there isn't a canonized Shepard. Hasn't Bioware said this multiple times, or is there something that I've missed.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

Hasn't Bioware said this multiple times, or is there something that I've missed.

Bioware's always been very careful never to include any sort of canonical Shep in their stories outside of the games.

There's in fact going to be a FemShep trailer some time down the road.

 

[Tron Bonne]

There's no "canonized" Shepard in the games... but the filmverse there's going to HAVE to be if they have Shepard at all (and we really have no idea if they will.) If they do it will probably be a male because often in Hollywood it's viewed that females can't draw big enough box office... Unless, for some reason, it's Milla Jovovich...

I think, and I've already said this, that the film NEEDS to have a "Shepard" in it. Be it the video game Shepard we all know and love OR a "descendant" of Shepard. The film could take place 20, 50, 100 years after the events of Mass Effect 3 and depending on how it ends Commander Shepard will be a well known hero of the...Well... Everything.

We could have a knew hero in the Shepard family line trying to live up to his ancestors name sake... Or... Trying to get away from it. I DO think the movie would need that kind of "tie" to the original game series.

See, and you came up with a way to include Shepard and everything with sidestepping issues of a direct adaptation; I even complimented you on that earlier, and you're still just dismissing everything I say as B&Ming. *Tsk, tsk* Try to be nice to some people, I swear

Bioware's always been very careful never to include any sort of canonical Shep in their stories outside of the games.

There's in fact going to be a FemShep trailer some time down the road.

Oh, neat.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Lol, okay I'm going to bow out of this convo, just because every time I reply to a post, i'm already like 10 posts behind it's moving so fast lol.

As last words though, I will say this, with the developers actually being strongly involved with this game, I've got a lot of faith that they'll do the right thing anyway, they're not going to **** around with their own franchise, they know this universe better than anyone so I'll be happy with whatever they do, I just don't want them to rule out the idea of using Shepard because I think if they wanted to, they could still totally make it work.

 

[Benstamania]

I think you took my statement of B&Ming to harshly. I could have easily said "nitpicking" or whatnot I just like being PG-13.

i will fully admit I read a lot of what you said originally in a fit or rage (out of hearing something that ticked me off on the news) so I may have been blinded a little bit because everything I was reading was "We can't have Shepard as male, FemShep users would be mad because Boxart Shep is just a template."

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

*Cuts tension with a knife*

 

[Benstamania]

If anything this thread recently proved that people enjoy their Mass Effect, lol.

 

[Upset Spideyfan]

 

[Soapy]

*Cuts tension with a knife*

No tension. I've thoroughly enjoyed this.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

What I find interesting is they said this we'll see a sneak peak of the movie, or something to that effect, which I thought was strange wording, since we know nothing about this movie, I don't see what they could possibly 'show' as far as footage goes.

 

[Soapy]

They might have a really light teaser with just a logo or something.

Or I guess they could have put together a proof of concept thing like that original trailer for "TR2N".