MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 1

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The end of my statement involves the rewrite, though would Sony offer an additional Spidey to compete with their own?

If the new rumor is to be believed Sony is looking for a "soft reboot" of the character with a new actor in Sinister Six. This actor would likely be the one the MCU uses for crossovers. Thus the Sony Spider-Man movies would be a "pocket" of the MCU but have more latitude to be their own thing. Spidey's role in the MCU would then be limited to Avengers and/or event films with his own little loosely connected Sony/Spidey-verse films.

Could be interesting. It's not ideal but a new Spidey for the MCU without prior strings attached would be the best for all parties involved.
 
If that's how it plays out I wouldn't be too bothered. I don't need a Marvel Spidey solo for a long time if he's appearing in other projects.
 
I don't see how that would benefit Marvel in any way story wise or even box-office wise, they don't really need him. I want Marvel to completely own the character and reboot it the right way, not borrow it from Sony for a small part.
 
Well that depends on the actor who plays Spiderman.

The assumption behind my statement was that it would be Andrew Garfield. I think not only having Spider-Man but having the Spider-Man that has been established in other movies would be a big boost (one that could get away with not having to devote extra screen time).
 
It's rumored that if Sinister Six fails, Sony will sell the rights. :)
 
Having Spidey in the MCU would be great, i hope they keep Garfield but i think they would recast him if the deal is done. I dont know how the legal issues will go down, i dont think Sony will just handle nicely the character, probably Marvel has trucks of money waiting outside their studio. For Sony i think is good business, the sinister 6 movie will never work, and the venom movie even less.

The spidey cinematic universe is just idiotic, who would seriously want to see a movie with only the villans and the hero never showing up? The fun of these hero movies is the fight hero vs villan , good vs evil. In a tv series yuo could have an episode focused on a villan but in a movie? it just doesnt make sense. I think Sony sees that they wont be able to reboot for a third time and the audience want something fresh with the character. They should grab the cash while they can.

With Fox it just seem like all out war. Cancelling the comics, not making more characters. Its just pure sabtotage. I personally think Marvel will try to screw the next FF movie, 0 promotion. Even if they loose some money they prefer the movie to be a bomb and get the property back, they want Galactus and Doom for sure (and i dont blame them, who wouldnt?). I think the movie is kinda doomed even before anybody has seen even a picture of it, i don't think there even been a movie that people want so much to just crash and burn, i pity the crew of that movie but it just have so many negativity behind it.

With the Xmen they are not going to sell for now but it would be the last one marvel will need for world domination
 
On Late Show with David Letterman a minute ago, RDJ started talking Marvel.

He flat-out said that there is no script for Iron Man 4, but alluded to "plans" and an impending "announcement."
 
Between the confused plans/lack of one for a Spidey shared universe and their new purchase of an Avengers-style Robin Hood & his Merry Men shared universe of all things, Sony's coming off so desperate it hurts. Marvel should just let their Spidey franchise bleed out, then sweep in on horseback to make an insultingly low offer they'll have no choice but to take anyway.

From like a business standpoint, at least.
 
I think Robert Downey Jr.'s comments on David Letterman all but confirm that we'll see a contract extension and that we will see him appear in not only The Avengers: Age of Ultron and The Avengers III, but in supporting/cameo roles in other character's solo film and possible after hanging up the armor becoming either the Director of the new S.H.I.E.L.D. or as U.S. Secretary of Defense and being the government liaison/public face of the Avengers as they move on to a younger crop of team members: Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, Spider-Man, Black Panther, etc. I'm sure they will mix in some original favorites (maybe not all of them in each film, but a couple here and there).

-R
 
I think Robert Downey Jr.'s comments on David Letterman all but confirm that we'll see a contract extension and that we will see him appear in not only The Avengers: Age of Ultron and The Avengers III, but in supporting/cameo roles in other character's solo film and possible after hanging up the armor becoming either the Director of the new S.H.I.E.L.D. or as U.S. Secretary of Defense and being the government liaison/public face of the Avengers as they move on to a younger crop of team members: Quicksilver, Scarlet Witch, Doctor Strange, Ant-Man, Spider-Man, Black Panther, etc. I'm sure they will mix in some original favorites (maybe not all of them in each film, but a couple here and there).

-R

It could also mean an appearance on Agents of SHIELD, as he hasn't ruled it out, although red tape prevents it.
 
The assumption behind my statement was that it would be Andrew Garfield. I think not only having Spider-Man but having the Spider-Man that has been established in other movies would be a big boost (one that could get away with not having to devote extra screen time).

But that wouldn't make any sense! If they use Andrew the general audience will think its the same continuity with TASM franchise. At this point it would even make more sense if Tobey played Spider-Man lmao at least he would fit much more with the MCU
 
But that wouldn't make any sense! If they use Andrew the general audience will think its the same continuity with TASM franchise. At this point it would even make more sense if Tobey played Spider-Man lmao at least he would fit much more with the MCU

Of all the non-Marvel-owned properties out there, The Amazing Spider-man films MOST fit in with the tone of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

Blending the first two films of the franchise with the larger Marvel world, and keeping Andrew Garfield would not only be easy -- it would yield a far greater return than abandoning an established Spider-man franchise for the second time in 7 years and recasting and re-establishing everything.

Sign Garfield to an extension.

Have him play the wall-crawler in Sinister Six, Amazing Spider-man 3 as well as show up in Dare Devil and in The Avengers 3 and as a cameo/supporting player in various Marvel flicks. Sony and Disney work out a deal where Disney co-finances Sinister Six and Amazing Spider-man 3 so that those are minimal risks for Sony, and in return, they bring the The Amazing Spider-man franchise under the umbrella and continuity of the Marvel Cinematic Universe as well as get the web head in future films immediately.

-R
 
Honestly I'm okay with Spidey joins MCU. Who wont since Spidey is a Marvel icon. (whether it's Andrew Garfield's Spidey or the full new fresh Spidey by Marvel Studios)...I'm fine and will glad fully welcome him home. But In ONE CONDITION: don't let Avi Arad, Matt Tolmach, etc take any creative control whatsoever again (Let Dan Slott, JMS, Bendis, or anyone who surely knew Spidey better than those people takes in as Creative Control). This is what I'd fear if Spidey ever joins MCU that means Arad might also come back. I'd rather to let Spidey off the MCU if that means Arad would lay his hands to interfere within MCU.
 
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^ I always thought that what worries me the most is that someday Avi Arad might lay his hands on MCU. So, first thought I had when I read the news of potential Spidey coming home was...Please, don't let Avi Arad coming in into Marvel Studios again.
 
But that wouldn't make any sense! If they use Andrew the general audience will think its the same continuity with TASM franchise.

I think that's the point. The difference is I don't think it'll take people out of the movie. It's refrigerator logic problems.
 
What if Spidey did feature in a future MCU film but he was masked the whole time? Of course, that would mean it's just a supporting role and not a major one at all, but at least that way Marvel wouldn't have to cast an actor in the role just yet while having the character still appear. It would allow Spidey to feature and show that he's part of the connected universe and audiences could take it or leave it as to whether he's the same Spidey from the Webb movies.

Then later on, once Spidey is established in the MCU, Marvel could cast an actor in the role that they themselves want, rather than having to rely on Garfield and carrying over any baggage from TASM movies.
 
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The only reason I can think of for another reboot would be to include Spidey in the MCU. In any case, at this point I don't think anything tangible (or even close) has been decided and I believe Sony and Marvel have merely had very very preliminary discussions about all this. I think the most prudent think at this point is to go into "wait and watch" mode and let the chips fall where they will.
 
do I think rebooting and rebooting the same character all the time is a good idea? no.

do I think Garfield is a good Parker or the current franchise is worth the ticket price? absolutely not.

why am I answering my own rhetorical questions? I have no idea
 
It'd be cool if they throw Miles Morales into the story. Have him pick up after Garfield's Spidey. It could work as a reboot sort of as well as still having some connection to the previous movies.
 
Honestly, I think the Spider-Man ship has long sailed.

It may have looked like a more likely outcome during Phase 1, or even as early as last year, but I don't think we'll see Spidey in the MCU at this point until the rights revert.

First, I don't think Marvel would want to associate themselves with a dying franchise. TASM2 was the least successful Spider-Man film, both critically and monetarily. This could have a big affect on TASM3. Then there's the fact Sony wants to release 2 villain spinoffs prior to it, a very risky shot in the dark at this point that even Webb fans are skeptic of, and if those fail that puts TASM3 at greater risk.

Second, I think the MCU's need for Spider-Man has reached its lowest. That's not to say they wouldn't need him at all, just that he isn't as much of a necessity today as he was in the MCU's previous history. The gap between Iron Man and their other properties is shrinking. Cap is almost up there, Guardians became a top franchise, Doctor Strange is on his way. Marvel is turning more and more of their characters into A-lists.

Third, and this kind goes in hand with the second point, I feel like Marvel is at a point where they want full creative control over their properties, and would prefer starting fresh than using another studio's version of their characters. Judging from their recent films and the way Phase 2's been structured, I think that's the case.

Fourth, the rumor overall seems preposterous. "Soft" reboot or not, there's no way Sony would reboot again so soon, for obvious historical reasons. Plus Garfield's performance is also generally well received, despite the franchise's reception as a whole. So why would they replace him with a new actor that would be a complete wild card and with no setup?

Obviously I liked TASM2, and the idea of seeing Garfield in full costume next to Tony and Cap makes me giddy, but I really don't see it as a likely outcome.
 
It'd be cool if they throw Miles Morales into the story. Have him pick up after Garfield's Spidey. It could work as a reboot sort of as well as still having some connection to the previous movies.

I think it would be in horrible taste to wait so long to see Spidey in the MCU only to not have it be Peter Parker.
 
Why is Sony talking about yet ANOTHER reboot?

That's just one of three rumored options they are exploring:


1) Move forward with 'Sinister Six' as planned, and if it fails (and there's a good chance it will), strike a deal with Marvel to revamp the series and incorporate it into the MCU (possibly including a retcon or reboot of sorts).

2) Soft reboot/retcon the ASM series, starting with S6, and bring in a new actor for Spider-Man.

3) Outright bench Spider-Man for the forseeable future (3-5 years), and do films focusing on notable side characters (like Black Cat).

That said, its also rumored that Marvel has already been in touch with Sony, and its possible that the second option could begin a potential MCU partnership as well.


The point, though, is that Sony doesn't know what itll do definitively yet.
 
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