MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 2

[SpideyFan866]

Hypothetically speaking if Disney offered Fox a blank cheque for Wolvie and Friends, how many zeros do you think Fox will want filled in? 5 Billion? 7 Billion? ....10 Billion?

100 Billion. Because Fox hates Marvel and would never seriously entertain the thought of that.

 

[spider-neil]

Personally speaking, I think Marvel were mad to sell to Disney. What have Marvel done with Disney that they couldn't have done alone?

Also I think a deal for Spider-Man will happen by Avengers IW. Sony is going to see diminishing returns on the Spider-Man franchise until the just of making the movie doesn't justify the returns. The exact same thing happened with Daredevil, Punisher and Hulk. Sony will either sell outright or licence out the character for a fee.

 

[Drz]

The MCU schedule parallels the DC one in a few ways.

1. Captain America: Civil War = Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
2. Captain Marvel = Wonder Woman
3. Captain Marvel = Shazam
4. Thor: Raganok = Aquaman
5. Black Panther = Cyborg
6. Black Panther = Aquaman
7. Avengers: Infinity War Parts 1 & 2 = Justice League Parts 1 & 2
8. Captain Marvel = Green Lantern
9. GOTG2 = Green Lantern

Umm, Captain Marvel and Shazam have nothing to do with each other. Captain Marvel from Marvel is science fiction, where's Shazam is fantasy. Different powers, different origins, they both have flight, endurance and super strenght but that's about it.

I also wouldn't compare Cyborg and Black Panther simply because they're both black, i could even segment this and mention that Cyborg is African American where Panther is pure African. Still, i'd rather compare Panther with Aquaman which you did.

But yeah both Avengers 3 and Justice League 1 being two-parters sucks.

 

[kguillou]

I gotta give Marvel a ton of props for putting this event together and doing this. Lets be honest, Marvel couldn't have been very happy with DC/WB arguably stealing the spotlight from them the past two years at comic con and with minimal effort too. SDCC 2013 all DC did was show a logo of Batman and Superman and everyone went nuts anf it became the most buzzed about thing at that con. SDCC 2014, DC showed a picture of Wonder Woman and a very brief animated teaser for BVS and people went nuts and it became the most buzzed about subject at that con. Next year they will likely show off a full length trailer for BvS and bring out the Justice League on stage and once again it will dominate comic con. I think Marvel feels they are better off just flying solo with their own events and yesterday they proved they are big enough to do that. Props, Marvel. Props.

 

[Iceman]

100 Billion. Because Fox hates Marvel and would never seriously entertain the thought of that.

Marvel films will have made 100B in the the not too distant future!

 

[titansupes]

Whatever the case may be it's an unbelievable time to have grown up a Marvel fan.

Just scares me I was 24 when I got on this ride and will be 35 by the end of Phase 3.

On the one hand you want time to fly so you can relish the next chapter but on the other you realize you're just that much older.

Exactly my thoughts when I think about upcoming DCCU/Star Wars/MCU movies. "Oh my god, I can't wait for 2020 for suck and such a movie!! Hang on... I'll be 31 then. **** that, I'll wait."

 

[Ghostcrow13]

Umm, Captain Marvel and Shazam have nothing to do with each other. Captain Marvel from Marvel is science fiction, where's Shazam is fantasy. Different powers, different origins, they both have flight, endurance and super strenght but that's about it.

I also wouldn't compare Cyborg and Black Panther simply because they're both black, i could even segment this and mention that Cyborg is African American where Panther is pure African. Still, i'd rather compare Panther with Aquaman which you did.

But yeah both Avengers 3 and Justice League 1 being two-parters sucks.

How does it suck, Infinity war definitely needs two parts, there is so much that is going to happen. Obviously no idea what the story for Justice League will be so can't talk about that as much.

 

[SlamAdams]

How does it suck, Infinity war definitely needs two parts, there is so much that is going to happen. Obviously no idea what the story for Justice League will be so can't talk about that as much.

IMO most 2-parters suck. Pirates, Matrix, Hobbit, Hunger Games, Harry Potter. I get there is a lot to cover, but none of the part 1s have felt like a complete film and a few of them have a lot of filler. I think if they were to just have Avengers 3 and Avengers 4 then there would be more intuition to just conclude each chapter instead of leaving it hanging for part 2.

 

[Gr0oT]

Marvel films will have made 100B in the the not too distant future!

Let's predict the box office of the unreleased movies.

AoU 1.5 billion
Ant-Man 500 million
Captain America CW 1.3 billion
Doctor Strange 600 million
GotG2 One billion
Thor Ragnarok 800 million
Black Panther 700 million
Avengers IW1 2 billion
Captain Marvel 600 million
Inhumans 600 million
Avengers IW2 A gorillion

 

[Ghostcrow13]

IMO most 2-parters suck. Pirates, Matrix, Hobbit, Hunger Games, Harry Potter. I get there is a lot to cover, but none of the part 1s have felt like a complete film and a few of them have a lot of filler. I think if they were to just have Avengers 3 and Avengers 4 then there would be more intuition to just conclude each chapter instead of leaving it hanging for part 2.

Hobbit has filler, cos they stretched a small book into 3 parts. Pirates and Matrix were just bad films not because they weren't complete.

Harry Potter was a fine 2 parter imo, maybe dragged in the first film, but I don't see that happening with Infinity War, because it isn't an adaptation from anything so it isn't like they have got a story then split it in half, they can do two complete films that follow on from each other.

Hunger games hasn't even come out yet to judge

 

[SlamAdams]

Hobbit has filler, cos they stretched a small book into 3 parts. Pirates and Matrix were just bad films not because they weren't complete.

Harry Potter was a fine 2 parter imo, maybe dragged in the first film, but I don't see that happening with Infinity War, because it isn't an adaptation from anything so it isn't like they have got a story then split it in half, they can do two complete films that follow on from each other.

Hunger games hasn't even come out yet to judge

Pirates and Matrix could have been good if they weren't so preoccupied with making 2-parters. Calling it Infinity War part 1 and part 2 grants the preoccupation whether they want it or not. They can prove me wrong, but at the moment, with the information I have, I am annoyed. Because split movies are inherently annoying.

 

[Gr0oT]

Exactly my thoughts when I think about upcoming DCCU/Star Wars/MCU movies. "Oh my god, I can't wait for 2020 for suck and such a movie!! Hang on... I'll be 31 then. **** that, I'll wait."

We need what Winter Soldier has.

 

[spider-neil]

I thought Harry Potter part 1 was excellent. I just thought the place where they ended the movie was odd.

Matrix part 1 had to be the worst cliff hanger of all time.

 

[Drz]

How does it suck, Infinity war definitely needs two parts, there is so much that is going to happen. Obviously no idea what the story for Justice League will be so can't talk about that as much.

If you can't tell a good story in 2 hours, how on earth can you manage it in 4 hours? It's just a trend that began with Deathly Hallows and has now been done with Twilight, Hunger Games, and now even comic book movies.

It's one thing if you simply film too much and the studio wants to cut it in half, but here the studio wants 2 films to make the twice the budget.

There's also the annoyance that part 1s have so much build up, but then the 2nd part has "all the good stuff".

 

[Ghostcrow13]

If you can't tell a good story in 2 hours, how on earth can you manage it in 4 hours? It's just a trend that began with Deathly Hallows and has now been done with Twilight, Hunger Games, and now even comic book movies.

It's one thing if you simply film too much and the studio wants to cut it in half, but here the studio wants 2 films to make the twice the budget.

There's also the annoyance that part 1s have so much build up, but then the 2nd part has "all the good stuff".

It isn;t the same as those you mentioned cos it's not splitting a story in half. The story takes more than one part. Like Star Wars or the Lord of the Rings or the Harry Potter books, those are stories that take more than one film or book.

I would only be worried if they made a script of the film and then split in half. But i'm going to assume they are writing two scripts for two films, but following the same story.

 

[Drz]

They wouldn't call it part 1 or 2 if they we're actual sequels. That'd be just stupid marketing where they're trying to differeiate themselves.... Out of no reason. :b

 

[Iceman]

Let's predict the box office of the unreleased movies.

AoU 1.5 billion
Ant-Man 500 million
Captain America CW 1.3 billion
Doctor Strange 600 million
GotG2 One billion
Thor Ragnarok 800 million
Black Panther 700 million
Avengers IW1 2 billion
Captain Marvel 600 million
Inhumans 600 million
Avengers IW2 A gorillion

Seems realistic although I think AoU & IW1 might also get to a gorillion. I think the total from all of these plus adding a bit more for Avengers films will be around $13B (your total without IW2 is $9.6B).

 

[Ghostcrow13]

They wouldn't call it part 1 or 2 if they we're actual sequels. That'd be just stupid marketing where they're trying to differeiate themselves.... Out of no reason. :b

What do you mean by actual sequels, for example Avengers 1 and 2 have entirely different stories, just involving the Avengers. So is that an actual sequel?

Star Wars Original Trilogy has the same overarching story for all films, so is that one film split into 3?

 

[spider-neil]

If you can't tell a good story in 2 hours, how on earth can you manage it in 4 hours? It's just a trend that began with Deathly Hallows and has now been done with Twilight, Hunger Games, and now even comic book movies.

It's one thing if you simply film too much and the studio wants to cut it in half, but here the studio wants 2 films to make the twice the budget.

There's also the annoyance that part 1s have so much build up, but then the 2nd part has "all the good stuff".

Take the JLA story with Grant Morrison the White Martians. You introduce the martians and have them take down the league in part 1 the climax is Batman preparing to take them down. Part 2 is the climax.

 

[Infinity9999x]

IMO most 2-parters suck. Pirates, Matrix, Hobbit, Hunger Games, Harry Potter. I get there is a lot to cover, but none of the part 1s have felt like a complete film and a few of them have a lot of filler. I think if they were to just have Avengers 3 and Avengers 4 then there would be more intuition to just conclude each chapter instead of leaving it hanging for part 2.

I thought the Harry Potter 2 parter was fine. In fact, I think DHp1 and 2 were easily two of the best if not the best in the franchise.

Two parters don't do well when the story is needlessly expanded (Hobbit) but it can also be utilized very well. Look at LOTR. Thats a 3 parter. Tolkien didn't write 3 individual books, his publishers just split them up to make more mobey.

 

[spider-neil]

I thought the Harry Potter 2 parter was fine. In fact, I think DHp1 and 2 were easily two of the best if not the best in the franchise.

Agreed.

 

[LEVITIKUZ]

I liked the Harry Potter films.

That's it. I was never a big HP fan. I only read one of the books. I don't have a passion for HP like I do for Star Wars or DC or Marvel.

 

[Ghostcrow13]

I thought the Harry Potter 2 parter was fine. In fact, I think DHp1 and 2 were easily two of the best if not the best in the franchise.

Two parters don't do well when the story is needlessly expanded (Hobbit) but it can also be utilized very well. Look at LOTR. Thats a 3 parter. Tolkien didn't write 3 individual books, his publishers just split them up to make more mobey.

And you can be sure Marvel aren't 'splitting' anything to make more money, they could make Avengers 4 either way

 

[Dark Raven]

Umm, Captain Marvel and Shazam have nothing to do with each other. Captain Marvel from Marvel is science fiction, where's Shazam is fantasy. Different powers, different origins, they both have flight, endurance and super strenght but that's about it.

I also wouldn't compare Cyborg and Black Panther simply because they're both black, i could even segment this and mention that Cyborg is African American where Panther is pure African. Still, i'd rather compare Panther with Aquaman which you did.

But yeah both Avengers 3 and Justice League 1 being two-parters sucks.

I drew a comparison between them in numerous ways. Sure, Capt Marvel and Shazam are not actually similar storywise, but I wasn't going by just that, which is why I said there is a parallel in more ways than one. Shazam's real name IS Captain Marvel - hence the parallel there. So both Marvel and DC are technically putting out a Captain Marvel movie.

And as far as drawing a big distinction between science fiction and fantasy as far as comics go, there isn't much difference to the average moviegoer. All of comics are essentially fantasy, whether they include science fiction or not.

And both Marvel and DC are putting out a black superhero movie, so there is the obvious parallel there. But obviously not the only parallel, because both companies are putting out a movie about a king of a hidden city as well, which is where the comparison between Black Panther and Aquaman come in.

I didn't have time to explain everything as it was late and I was on my phone and didn't feel like typing out all the parallels, hence why I just put an equal sign. A better sign would be the approximate sign, but I don't have that either on my phone or on a laptop keyboard.

 

[StarLord]

I for one am glad Avengers: Infinity War is a two part-er.

Assuming the majority of characters are alive/included, it will be quite the line up.