MCU: The Marvel Cinematic Universe Official Discussion - Part 4

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Plot twist on the music: the scores for each film were actually composed by the villains, which is why most of them probably aren't that memorable.

But yeah, for me, aside from the main theme of "The Avengers" and "The Star Spangled Man With a Plan" from First Avenger, most of the music I remember from the MCU films is licensed music.
 
The Avengers theme and the Star Spangled Man are also the only two original compositions I remember from the MCU films. Some folks mentioned that the Ant Man theme is memorable, but it didn't register for me.

I think we can add bland music to the consensus "needs improvement" category in the MCU's report card alongside weak villains and poor connectivity between TV and film.
 
Now that I think about it, I DID like the 2008 rendition of "The Lonely Man" on The Incredible Hulk, short as it was, but not exactly an original composition.
 
I think the Winter Soldier is rather unmemorable and generic. Certainly nowhere near as memorable as the First Avenger or Ant-Man.
Well, you're wrong. :cmad: :hehe:

Kidding aside, to each his own. Personally, I'd even go as far as to say that the score might be one of the reasons why this movie is widely considered one of Marvel Studios' best efforts. It sure is for me.

Plot twist on the music: the scores for each film were actually composed by the villains, which is why most of them probably aren't that memorable.
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The Ant-Man theme works well in different styles

Chamber Orchestra of London plays "Ant-Man" Theme by Christophe Beck
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Beck and his daughter perform the theme stripped down on piano and violin.
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This rock guitar version of Ant-Man's Theme sounds great
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Eh, I largely disagree with the video. I find a lot of the scores memorable. A lot of tracks that evoke an emotional response. I didn't find Gary Sinise's narration at the Smithsonian as distracting from the music - I felt that both his narration and the music worked together seamlessly and really well, I felt they complimented each other. Yes, he was telling us things that those of us who have been following the MCU already knew... but CA:TWS was when they still had the mindset that general audience wouldn't *have* to see the previous MCU films to see everything. I know people on other boards that hadn't seen a single MCU movie until they saw TWS. So that scene, though perhaps rehashing old information for MCU veterans, was an efficient and believable way to bring any new fans up to speed on Cap's backstory. It was exposition that fit the feel and tone of the scene, and the music helped that.

As I said, I find a lot of the scores memorable, CA:TFA, CA:TWS, Iron Man 3, Avengers, Sons of Odin or The Compound from Thor, Guardians of the Galaxy (and I'm not talking the use of the songs in that movie, I find many of the score tracks on that are my absolute favorite - like Black Tears, Groot Cocoon, Ballad of the Nova Corps, A Nova Upgrade - just to name a few), Ant-Man.

To go with the opening of that video, I don't think a score has to be something that you can hum or sing for it to be memorable. The character theme music for The Winter Soldier, for example. Instantly recognizable to me - and one of my absolute favorite pieces. Even during times when they use it a bit more subtly in the background, I notice it. It's not something that one can really hum or sing, but that doesn't make it any less memorable. Memorable doesn't always have to be 'catchy' (I think that's the word I want).

Anywho, that's my take on the video. Just my personal opinion of course (I acknowledge that just because I find most of the Marvel scores very memorable doesn't mean everyone does) - and apologies if I didn't make sense on some things... it's already been one of those days ;nd
 
"Can you dig it" and "Taking a stand" are really perfect for me.
 
I posed this in the Spidey thread:


I don't think the main problem is that the majority of the music is generic, it's that they keep changing the themes for each individual hero. That's why nobody remembers their scores because they're all musically inconsistent. People remember Harry Potter and Zimmer's Batman becuz they played those theme throughout all of the movies. If Cap kept his theme from TFA (which he did in TA but Jackman ditched it, which in itself I didn't have a problem with-- but he changed the theme again in CW for some reason) all the way up until now, people would remember it. Same for Iron Man and Thor. Now, I really hope they keep Ant-Man's theme, one of the best in the MCU. Was glad to hear it in Civil War.


What they need to do is create a musical motif and make all future composers stick with that motif to keep it consistent.
 
I don't need hummable melodies in the MCU music. I would scores with a little more emotional punch. I think of scores like TDK and the punch they had. The music that plays during the Two-Face bit at the end has to be one of my favorite pieces of music in film. They need to do more with the emotional weight of the scoring. That's what makes music memorable.
 
Russo Bros talk ‘Infinity War,’ Captain Marvel, and Netflix characters:

http://heroichollywood.com/russo-bros-talk-infinity-war-captain-marvel-netflix-characters/

The upcoming Russo Brother directed Avengers: Infinity War will include a wealth of Marvel characters, including the heavily speculated debut of Captain Marvel. Still, there are many who would love to see the Netflix universe, which includes Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist, mingle with the big screen heroes. There hasn't been any indication that it will actually happen, but the Russo's aren't remotely closing the door on the idea, as they told the Toronto Sun.

“We do consider everyone,” said Anthony Russo. “We don’t want to get too specific about what’s going to happen with these movies. We want these movies to be a surprise for audiences.”

As for their newest addition, Brie Larson's Captain Marvel, they had nothing but great things to say about the phenomenal casting.

“It’s an incredible piece of casting. You couldn’t ask for better,” Joe said of Larson. “Not only is she an amazingly talented actor but she’s a wonderful human being. We’re really looking forward to the opportunity of re-teaming with her…”

If the Netflix characters did appear in the film, it would most likely be a brief cameo appearance, as the movie already boasts a packed lineup of Avengers, and will no doubt also include heroes like Doctor Strange, Black Panther, Winter Solider, and confirmed appearances from heroes like Groot. With all those heroes in the mix, giving them something to do worthy of their screentime is always a challenge, but Anthony Russo says the end result will be just as good as Captain America: Civil War.

“What we did in Civil War is exactly what we want to do in the Avengers — no matter how much screen time a character has, you can still have a lot of ambition for what you do with that character while you have them.
 
I find it hard to believe that in the space of two movies they can't find a place for the Netflix heroes. If they found a space for Spider-Man in Civil War, they can find spaces for the likes of DD, JJ, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and the Punisher. Because they wanted Spidey, they found a way even though he wasn't actually integral to the plot of CW at all.

Where there's a will, there's a way!
 
The is the rumor of feige and Ike not getting along. They control the film and television divisions of marvel prospectively so collaboration seems unlike under the current circumstances.

We don't know the plot of the two upcoming avengers films besides thanos showing up so it is hard to say if there Is space for the defenders characters. Spider-man wasn't necessary to civil war but the character is a huge bankable attraction.

The defenders are supposed to be more grounded street level superheroics. The defenders coming together to take on the hand is their 'event movie' so to speak.
 
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Heck Ant Man and Hawkeye weren't even necessary for CW other than to be in one action scene (hence their shaky motivations for getting involved, imo).
 
To be fair yes you could have taken them out but they were integrated into Caps motive well. (Going to stop the Winter Soldiers)Spider-Man on the other hand....
 
Hawkeye has a bit of a rapport with SW, so him busting her out of the Avengers facility makes sense + a lot of people have been awaiting the Hawkeye/Ant-Man shot.

Overall, CW does an excellent job of utilizing so many characters, something the X-Men films have been lacking.
 
I find it hard to believe that in the space of two movies they can't find a place for the Netflix heroes. If they found a space for Spider-Man in Civil War, they can find spaces for the likes of DD, JJ, Luke Cage, Iron Fist and the Punisher. Because they wanted Spidey, they found a way even though he wasn't actually integral to the plot of CW at all.

Where there's a will, there's a way!

Well, they'd have a hard time finding a space for some of them, seeing as they didn't exist yet. :p

More importantly. . . what, exactly, is gained from forcing somebody like Daredevil into Civil War? He's not really relevant to anything that was going on, in any way shape or form.
 
Hawkeye has a bit of a rapport with SW, so him busting her out of the Avengers facility makes sense + a lot of people have been awaiting the Hawkeye/Ant-Man shot.

Overall, CW does an excellent job of utilizing so many characters, something the X-Men films have been lacking.

Also, Hawkeye is an Avenger, and can contribute in Avengers level activities. Somebody like Daredevil or Jessica Jones. . . not so much.
 
Well, they'd have a hard time finding a space for some of them, seeing as they didn't exist yet. :p

More importantly. . . what, exactly, is gained from forcing somebody like Daredevil into Civil War? He's not really relevant to anything that was going on, in any way shape or form.

I'm not saying to force DD or any of those into Civil War. I thought we're talking about Infinity War and how these Netflix characters can be inserted into that, since Spider-Man wasn't really necessary for Civil War but was still inserted in anyway because they wanted to use him.
 
I'm not saying to force DD or any of those into Civil War. I thought we're talking about Infinity War and how these Netflix characters can be inserted into that, since Spider-Man wasn't really necessary for Civil War but was still inserted in anyway because they wanted to use him.
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Infinity War seems like it will be stacked.

Superheroes probably in the movie are

Captain America
Black Panther
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Falcon
Ant-Man
Spider-Man
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk

Doctor Strange, War Machine, Bucky, Captain Marvel, Valkyrie, The Warriors Three, Sif and Wasp are also possibilities

Guardians Of The Galaxy are also likely showing up.

Non-powered characters such as Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Sharon Carter, Selvig, Hank Pym, Everett Ross, Wong and Secretary Ross are also likely.

That is a lot of character already before you even add another roster of characters from the TV shows to the movies.

It is a lot easier to have the film characters turn up in the tv shows than the tv show characters turn up in the films.

Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Sif and Von Struckers right hand man all popped up in AoS.
 
Rewatched Civil War last night and was struck with how great the score was, particularly in light of that recent video (of which I largely agree with). I also think the cinematography was the best we've seen in any superhero movie this year.
 
I personally find a lot of the actual scores (not necessarily the main themes) unmemorable. If you think back on scores for films that were written some 40-50 years ago, there were a lot more distinctive tunes for each character or scene. Now it's more like incidental background music, almost trying not to interfere with the film itself but to blend in without being noticed. But the scores in previous eras did stand out much more.

For example, the early James Bond scores in the 1960s by John Barry were much more distinctive. If you take something like FRWL, Goldfinger or Thunderball, each part of the score is very memorable. For FRWL, you have the gypsy fight scene, Bond takes the Lektor (which became the "007" theme), etc.

With other composers like Max Steiner (King Kong, Gone with the Wind), Maurice Jarre (Lawrence of Arabia), Jerome Moross (The Big Country, The Valley of Gwangi), Ennio Morricone (The Good, the Bad and the Ugly), John Williams (Star Wars, Superman, ET etc) to name but a few, they all write distinctive melodies throughout the score for different scenes, each of which are memorable in their own right. They don't seem to mind that their tunes stand out, almost to the point of potentially overwhelming the scene.

In fact, Steven Spielberg changed the whole flying bicycle sequence in ET to fit John Williams's score, and now you always remember the scene in conjunction with the music.

I find it hard to remember most of the scenes and associate it with any particular music for the Marvel movies. It's almost reminiscent of how the later Star Trek series had more incidental background scores that didn't stand out as much as the scores for the original Star Trek series. It was as if the original Trek scores were seen as old fashioned and overly dramatic. But I remember these far more than anything in TNG, DS9, Voyager or Enterprise. And that's how it feels with the Marvel movies, as if they don't want their scores to seem old-fashioned and potentially "cheesy", but more modern, which then translates to more generic and background incidental and unmemorable.
 
Infinity War seems like it will be stacked.

Superheroes probably in the movie are

Captain America
Black Panther
Black Widow
Hawkeye
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Falcon
Ant-Man
Spider-Man
Iron Man
Thor
Hulk

Doctor Strange, War Machine, Bucky, Captain Marvel, Valkyrie, The Warriors Three, Sif and Wasp are also possibilities

Guardians Of The Galaxy are also likely showing up.

Non-powered characters such as Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Sharon Carter, Selvig, Hank Pym, Everett Ross, Wong and Secretary Ross are also likely.

That is a lot of character already before you even add another roster of characters from the TV shows to the movies.

It is a lot easier to have the film characters turn up in the tv shows than the tv show characters turn up in the films.

Nick Fury, Maria Hill, Sif and Von Struckers right hand man all popped up in AoS.
Everyone is a possibility for IW. This is the real universe event that the whole of the MCU has been building up to. If TV guys only cameo I don't think it would be that difficult to include them. Can't see them doing anything too meaningful other than for eg being part of a quick summary of evidence of the struggle and defence on Earth.
 
How likely is it that Spider-man will appear in Infinity War? It would make sense, and I really hope it does happen.
 
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