New Mutants New Mutants News and Discussion - Part 1

[DACrowe]

Ehh... Outside of the Demon Bear Saga, not really.. Certainly not the extent this movie has taken it. Visually, it looks nothing like the comics at all.

To be fair I haven't read the stories, but don't they often go to Limbo, which is a stand-in for Hell, where Magik spent her childhood? That certainly seems like it is somewhat horrific.

 

[psylockolussus]

Haha, no. I just don't think "superheroes" should be confined to a genre unto themselves. Saying I don't like superhero films would be as snide as me saying, we know you only like committee-driven, CG-laden products.

Thats not true, Dofp, X2, Wanted, Kingsman, Spider-Man 2 aren't committee driven films, I liked those and if they are so what, at least they didn't **** on the source material in excuse of pretentious artistic hoopla.

 

[TheVileOne]

To be fair I haven't read the stories, but don't they often go to Limbo, which is a stand-in for Hell, where Magik spent her childhood? That certainly seems like it is somewhat horrific.

So...are they going to Hell and Limbo in this movie? Doesn't look like it. Looks like they are stuck in that institution.

 

[psylockolussus]

Multiple conflicting reports. Ugh.

Also got to be honest, turning this project into a straight horror film, I thought that was a little weird.

Logan was made into a dark, hard R rated and gritty western. I think that works because there have been Wolverine comic series in that style and tone. Wolverine has generally been one of the darker and more violent characters over the years. Plus it was treated as sort of an ending to the cinematic version of the character.

When I think of comic horror stories, sorry, I never thought of New Mutants. I always saw them as a new X-Men mutant superhero team similar to the X-Men but different.

They aren't horror comic books at all.

 

[Rike]

Ehh... Outside of the Demon Bear Saga, not really.. Certainly not the extent this movie has taken it. Visually, it looks nothing like the comics at all.

?? of course the comics weren't full-blown horror stories
but the point is that the elements were always somewhat present in the new mutants runs. from the demon bear saga to that necrosha story

 

[psylockolussus]

Just because it had elements of horror, it doesn't mean new mutants should be a full blown horror in a film. From what I'm getting here, is they got the wrong vision and direction here. Another fox misfire in the making.

 

[Kuwolski]

It doesn't seem like the horror worked anyway. At least the way Fox expected.

 

[psylockolussus]

It doesn't seem like the horror worked anyway. At least the way Fox expected.

Why would it though? The kids are mutants for Christ's sake. Lol. They deserve to fail if they think this could be like It. Instead copying the success of the other horror flicks, they should have just embraced the source material.

 

[DACrowe]

So...are they going to Hell and Limbo in this movie? Doesn't look like it. Looks like they are stuck in that institution.

Rumor has it we'd get some hints in a flashback, and I believe that [blackout]Lockheed is supposed to be in the movie.[/blackout] But who knows now. I think they were setting Limbo up for a sequel. But I think it is safe to say that unless this really does take off like Split or It at the box office, we will never see that movie in any case.

 

[Yowza]

Horror angle Purpose?: At start of production I suppose it was seen by some as a unique spin that differentiated the product from the core X-Men movies on a low budget that would help retain the rights to a franchise that perhaps seen as questionable as continuing back when Dark Pheonix still hadn't started production yet before Fox's sale took place.

Originally Posted by slugzilla
I "heard" this was movie was almost entirely different in its early stages, but Fox decided to let it go in JB's idiotic horror direction after the successes of the last two R rated fox X-Movies. "People" tell me that there were some whom were involved long before JB showed up who fought against this decision. And it cost some of them their jobs. Others stayed and tried to right the ship. But that was in vain.

I can back this up. There were definite issues during the shoot last summer, and a power struggle on set. But unlike Fantastic Four, right now it doesn't sound like Boone is going to self immolate his career like Trank did.

Informative posts. Great report as well: http://manabyte.com/2018/01/the-reshoots-for-the-new-mutants-arent-to-add-more-horror/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

I was hesitant of this movie after seeing the initial trailer but looking forward to seeing what the next one would bring. I think it rather stupid to try and tonally change a movie especially after everything is complete. Why bother as just further recipe for disaster... (Unless of course planning to lowball the movie as disjointed popcorn fun to maybe lets critics be less harsh on it as if that makes it worth watching of course). Report above makes me wonder if certain key decision makers are being opportunistic about trying to play ball with businessmen under the Disney umbrella.

There'll probably be multi-part announcements to this before the year is through. In any case, Fox is trying to cannibalize their own movies while making pitches it seems to me. Pretty ridiculous.

 

[Sithborg]

Again, it is important to remember that one of the main stars is just about to start shooting 6 near movie length episodes of Game of Thrones. Across the globe. If they needed more time for reshoots, they were not going to be able to get Maise back in time. So, the length of the delay isn't necessarily because of how much they are reshooting, just busy actors.

And you will forgive me if I am going to believe the trades over "insiders".

 

[slugzilla]

New Mutants was a dream project for some of the folks involved. But then someone came on board who claimed to care about these characters, and it became clear early on that this individual who was involved in a very direct way, really only cared about their own "artistic brilliance". I really wish Fox had gone in the other direction. "people" had an outline for something amazing and "They" really wanted to deliver for you guys . Very sad.

 

[psylockolussus]

Yeah this is why I don't buy this "pretentious artistic thinking out of the box hoopla" every time someone tries to reinvent an existing property into a film. Why couldn't Josh Boone create a film from scratch.no need to use the New Mutants for his own agenda, that is turning out to be a horror.

 

[Yowza]

Sithborg:
Again, it is important to remember that one of the main stars is just about to start shooting 6 near movie length episodes of Game of Thrones. Across the globe. If they needed more time for reshoots, they were not going to be able to get Maise back in time. So, the length of the delay isn't necessarily because of how much they are reshooting, just busy actors.

Re-shoots usually spell mediocrity so lets hope this doesn't follow the norm.

New Mutants was a dream project for some of the folks involved. But then someone came on board who claimed to care about these characters, and it became clear early on that this individual who was involved in a very direct way, really only cared about their own "artistic brilliance". I really wish Fox had gone in the other direction. "people" had an outline for something amazing and "They" really wanted to deliver for you guys . Very sad.

Lots of stuff swirling around. Eitherway, it seems someone (probably a Fox studios higher up) is at this moment putting the foot on him for one reason or another. It's an odd time to do that.

It seems to me comic films in particular have a production process akin to various people with their select talents and contributions being told to walk through a minefield with the studio seeing what's left over after a bunch of explosions go off then try to make something palatable out of it all too often.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

Man...is there a chance that this movie gets canned due to the merger?! That's such a long time to push this film. What's the reasoning unless it needs THAT much polish.

 

[TheVileOne]

I'd say there's no chance of it being canned.

The movie will get released one way or another. Because they made it, they finished it. They spent all that money on it. They have to try and get back some of what was spent instead of eating such a huge loss.

Plus, after Disney merged with Lucasfilm, Disney still released this.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

I'd say there's no chance of it being canned.

The movie will get released one way or another. Because they made it, they finished it. They spent all that money on it. They have to try and get back some of what was spent instead of eating such a huge loss.

Plus, after Disney merged with Lucasfilm, Disney still released this.

Um...wtf is that?!?! I get that's your point, but seriously...WTF IS THAT?!?!

 

[ImSGirl95]

Um...wtf is that?!?! I get that's your point, but seriously...WTF IS THAT?!?!

Haha, same here. Had no idea what this is, but appereantly it's this:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4191054/

 

[TheVileOne]

It's from a CG feature Lucasfilm produced called Strange Magic. It's one of the films Disney had to release as a result of the merger. It's the first post-merger film that Lucasfilm released.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/strange_magic/

 

[ImSGirl95]

Was that CG movie in filming stages when Disney bought Lucasfilm?

 

[Lip]

?? of course the comics weren't full-blown horror stories
but the point is that the elements were always somewhat present in the new mutants runs. from the demon bear saga to that necrosha story

I really liked the idea of making New Mutants with horror tone. I really, really liked it because, as you said, there are elements in the comics. So it fits if you want to make something different while still embracing the material. However, NM is not at all a straight horror story. It's about most of all a group of superhero kids trying to figure out themselves and their powers.

The movie needs to build its heart in its characters instead of being straight horror. So if they're reshooting to add more character interactions and tone down the horror, that's more than fine with me.

And I always thought the Stranger Things tone of horror would be much better than the one presented in the trailer. And Stranger Things invests much more in building that heart in the kids than exploring horror elements.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

It's from a CG feature Lucasfilm produced called Strange Magic. It's one of the films Disney had to release as a result of the merger. It's the first post-merger film that Lucasfilm released.
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/strange_magic/

With a solid voice cast at that. Hahahaha!

 

[Spider-Fan]

This thing was delayed nearly for a year! I don't think there is any universe where this type of delay is a good thing for the movie. This screams extended reshoots to me. Doing reshoots is normal, but delaying a movie because so much needs reshot is bad. I know there can be other factors, but for a delay of this magnitude, I can't think of anything else it could be.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Interesting turn of events...

^^^^ So this person (who was attacked for telling lies etc) was right after all.

Yep. All too common.

Props to slugzilla for his accurate intel.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

This thing was delayed nearly for a year! I don't think there is any universe where this type of delay is a good thing for the movie. This screams extended reshoots to me. Doing reshoots is normal, but delaying a movie because so much needs reshot is bad. I know there can be other factors, but for a delay of this magnitude, I can't think of anything else it could be.

I don't think that has anything to do with it. I honestly think it has more to do with the merger because that's actually around where it might start to be finalized. They say it could take something like 12 to 18 months, unless the reshoots are BECAUSE of the merger. Like Disney straight up has no interest in a horror based X movie, came in, and hit the deny button. They shouldn't have that much control over anything like that at this point, but...this is Disney we're talking about.