The Dark Knight Rises Nolan...add Robin!!!!!!

[GL1]

Yes, Dick Grayson should be in these films.
The origin story of Robin is probably the greatest Batman story ever told, and that is why it has been told again and again (Robin's Reckoning[BTAS], Dark Victory).

Saving Dick Grayson, and seeing himself in the character, could save a hero pushed to the brink in 'The Dark Knight'.

A kid humanizes a brutal, stoic, emotionless guardian- it's been done before, and to great effect, in a terrific, violent, adult film- Terminator 2.
And, no, Dick Grayson doesn't have to be Robin, in green booties and shorts. Just Dick Grayson. The Nolans are canny enough to give nods to comic history and still remove the more ridiculous aspects of a character invented nearly seventy years ago. Just like they did with Batman.

Yes, yes, and yes. Thank you for reasonableness and actual useful observations.

That said, in order for Robin to work as more than a minor character, the movies would actually have to make Batman brutal, stoic and unempathizable. In Begins, Batman is still just an 'act' Bruce may be an act as well, but its clear that the character is still very much human, empathizable, emotionally driven and needy.

If Batman turns dark, truly, like he is in comics, then Grayson becomes almost a necessity.

 

[atomicbattery]

Yes, yes, and yes. Thank you for reasonableness and actual useful observations.

And thank you!

 

[luca_frontino]

Not in Nolan's world.
Yes in an All Star B & R adaptation directed by Frank Miller.

 

[NoirMan82]

Not in Nolan's world.
Yes in an All Star B & R adaptation directed by Frank Miller.

Let me tell you a bit about "Nolan's" world.

Nolan's world contains:

A tank that can elude police interceptors and drive on rooftops.

A microwave emmiter that vaporizes water, but not tyhe moisture in people.

A clan of ninjas in the mountains of Nepal.

A Psychotic clown in a purple suit.

A man in a straightjacket and scarecrow mask.

A man dressed like a giant bat fighting crooks.

 

[AnorexicBatman]

To all who think Robin is a campy piece of ****

The movie begins at old warehouse by the docks where Two-Face has gathered all his hired guns to discuss an important matter. It appears that one of his men is actually a police informant and Two-Face wants to make an example out of him. The informant's name is Michael Drake and he pleads with Two-Face to forgive him saying that he has a wife and son. Two-Face replies with, "How sad, I had face. I am neither judge nor jury, *shows coin* THIS! is what decides the ultimate fate of all men. I am merely the executioner"

He flips his trademark coin, it lands on the scarred side and just as he is about to shoot him dead, a temporary wooden wall of the warehouse is blown apart as the Dark Knight roars in on his Bat-Pod (The informant had a final meeting with Gordon prior to this). A massive fight ensues and as Christian Bale dispatches all the thugs, the informant is unfortunately gunned down in the struggle and Aaron Eckhart escapes. The Batman checks his surroundings and curses himself for being so foolish as to jump right into the fray without prior planning. He was merely trying to save the life of the informant. As he kneels over his body, he hears a sound and sees a pair of eyes (of a young boy) looking towards him with fear. A terrible sense of Deja-Vu overcomes him and he leaves. The boy comes into full view, barely 18. He silently walks over to the body of William Drake and begins to cry. Only the surrounding darkness knows his grief. This boy is none other than Tim Drake.

Tim’s grief soon turns to anger as he vows to take revenge on his father’s killers and the Batman himself. He heads home but instead of sharing his grief with his mother, he decides to take a page out of the Batman’s book. He puts on some a leather jacket, jeans and a “Red Hood” (mask) to conceal his face. He grabs his father’s gun and a large butcher knife. Finally, he takes out a needle and a bottle labeled “Adrenaline” and injects it into his arm. Apparently, he is also a drug addict and the high he would receive would negate any physical pain. He sets of for an old hangout of Two Face’s thugs.
As one would suspect, he jumps into the fray. After the initial shock of getting attacked by a scrawny kid called the “Red Hood” had gone and one dead thug later. Tim Drake is brutally beaten up and left to die in a pool of his own blood.

Hours later, Batman sees him lying in the same comatose state. He removes his mask and recognizes him as the same boy from the docks. He checks for a pulse and after confirming that he was still alive has him rushed into a hospital. Tim Drake wakes up screaming and is surprised to find himself alive and well. He franticly turns around and notices none other than Bruce Wayne staring intently at him. Drake’s reaction, “Who the **** are you? What am I doing here?”

Bruce tells him about how he was merely driving around the city and found him lying in the middle of the road half-dead. He hoped someone was watching and decided to commit a good deed to fix his reputation with the public. Tim tells him he is a bigger bastard in person than on TV and Bruce thanks him for that. Keeping up with his spoilt good for nothing playboy image, Bruce decides to make big show telling everyone the “truth” and personally escorting him back to his mother (with a gaggle of reporters) so that the people see him as a hero. However, it all falls flat when it turns out his mother had committed suicide when her son did not return the previous night. Taking advantage of the fact that Mr. Wayne would no want to get his reputation tarnished, Tim turns to him with his hands folded and says, “OW pweese Meester Wayne. I gots no place to go. Won’t you take me to your beeg house.”

He says it with an extreme amount of sarcasm and disgust in his voice that only Bruce manages to catch. His motive was to merely find a safe place to stay, to think things over.
Thus, Bruce is now stuck with him and takes him to the Wayne Manor, which is still receiving the finishing touches. Bruce rarely speaks to him politely and Alfred hauls him up for it. At the same time Tim and Alfred become good friends since the latter feels Tim reminds him of Master Wayne before his parents died. Let’s cut it short and say Tim accidentally finds the Batcave and is naturally shocked by what he sees. Both exited and disgusted, Tim decides to steal some of his equipment and sabotage the others in his rage but not before Bruce finds him there and the two duke it out with Tim proving to be an able fighter considering he grew up on the streets, however he is no match for the Dark Knight who gives him a sound thrashing. Alfred is disturbed by this and breaking up the fight accusing Bruce of becoming what he hates the most.

Bruce tells Alfred that he is afraid Tim will end up on the same path he did or even worse in his path for revenge. It would consume him. Alfred tells Bruce that the only way out of this would be to groom him into someone who could compliment Bruce’s own crusade against the criminal element. He may look like a child but his mind is akin to that of a hitman. Bruce reluctantly agrees and trains him in the martial arts, criminology and detective skills. Considering his smaller stature Bruce decides to give a battle staff similar to those used by several martial artists. Lucius Fox presents him with a stealthier version (read more flexible and less heavy) of the Batsuit armor which was intended to be worn by pilots and recon troops. Finally a name is chosen, Robin is considered but after Tim complains that, “You want me to kill thugs by making them laugh?”
He is thus christened ‘Nightwing’

Considering what I wrote, Nolan could come up with something 100 times better!!

 

[GL1]

Interesting. I do like Tim, and that's pretty good for something that flies so fully in the face of the comics. I think there are parts that are a little convenient, especially the mom committing suicide at just the "right" time for Tim have to be taken in. It's as good as any fanfiction. You are correct, a talented creator could do much better.

Maybe I can do a tiny bit better:

Batman: "?"

Opening fight: Killer Croc, a circus freak on an adrenaline boosted rampage hits the streets and Batman puts him down. Hard. As the film opens up, Edward Nygma, a talented inventor, engineer, mathemetician and programmer comes to Gotham. A gentleman with his own company, he wants to partner with Wayne Enterprises to blah-blah-blah. Through riddles and enigmatic sayings, he seems to imply that he is a criminal and defies anyone to catch him. Bruce picks up on some of these about the time he attends the circus, cameo Silver St. Cloud, flying Graysons die, Richard sees the killer, Bruce, sees himself in the kid, retroactively sets up a trust fund in his parent's name and thinks little more of it.

Mysteries begin pouring in, Bruce wayne works these, while trying to fight the fact that he is becoming more remorseless, psychotic and unstable. The clues that Nygma leaves become a sort of obsession for him. When he visits the young orphan Grayson, staying with Leslie Thompkins (flashback to when she took care of Bruce), he asks, casually what the Grayson boy wants to be when he grows up. Leslie calmly, unknowing of the significance, replies "Batman." Bruce goes over to have a talk with Grayson who is training hard on the jungle gym. Bruce feels out the kids thought process, and Grayson happens to recognize the riddle that Bruce is holding as it relates to a children's rhyme or video game.

Word gets out that the Grayson kid knows who's responsible for his parents' death. At the same time, Grayson gets it in his head that he's going to off Zucco and heads out on his own vigilante thing. He's about 14, I guess. Grayson, with two escrima sticks and some circus tricks manages to fell three thugs, but is overwhelmed, unable to make finishing strikes and saved by Batman, who has solved the most recent riddle which involves killing the Grayson kid.

Taking him back to the Batcave, Bruce keeps the kid there for the time being as he goes to deal with the next part of the plot. Getting mangled by the hired guns that Riddler has brought in (Bane, Lady Shiva, Deadshot and Ventriloquist), Grayson and Alfred help save his life, this is when Grayson discovers the secret, and is shocked as all get out. When Bruce comes to, Grayson is in the cave, training on his equipment. He thinks he can be the next Batman. Bouncing ideas off of each other, they solve the next riddle, Batman takes the boy back to a safe haven (perhaps Wayne towers with Lucius) and goes to the climactic battle.

Grayson makeshifts Robin out of this set up, and follows, and ends up being Batman's recon, eyes in the air, crucial distractions and etc as he takes out the mercs. When confronting Riddler and Zucco, Robin bursts in through the window, thirsting for blood, to Riddler's joy (he doesn't want to split anything) and Batman's non-reaction. Batman informs Grayson that he (Batman) knew that he (Grayson) had planned this, putting word out on himself about being the witness so that he would be protected by Batman leading to this moment when he'd have a chance to kill Zucco... ala All-Star Batman gives him his chance and instead of killing him, Grayson realizes that Riddler had planned to use the kid to kill Zucco from the get go, just as he planned to use Batman's obsession to use riddles to target the competition with Batman.

Twists all revealed, Batman lays an unholy beat down on Riddler but is stopped short of crippling him for life by Grayson. Grayson stays with Thompkins and trains. The 'Robin' costume stays in the cave until he's ready.

 

[zenith16]

just added my vote

 

[AnorexicBatman]

LOL @ Dark Victory!
Nice one GL1

And thank you for appreciating my work

 

[Majik1387]

I'm gonna say yes, but not directed by Nolan.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I don't dislike Robin, but for right now it might be better that he not appear, as it might crowd things on screen. We don't want to fall into the old "too many characters, too many subplots, too much everything" trap again.

 

[chaseter]

Nolan already said no Robin so suck it.

 

[DrStrangeLove]

If he appeared rockin' the mullet as Nightwing I'd have no problem with that... come to think of it that would be pretty cool. But, you can't have Nightwing without Robin so as the two are mutually exclusive you can't really add one without the other. Too much story to tell in one movie. Possibly just a twist ending with Dick Grayson on the scene like they did with Joker at the end of Begins would be cool.

Basically Nolan telling the world "aight peace I'm out now let some other dood introduce Robin if he dares!".

 

[zenith16]

It just came to me over night since I was thinking about all of yester day . you all say you want a darker bat man. but think about it the thing that will really trip his trigger is reliving a the death of his parents. and seeing Richard Graysons parents killed in front of them both should push Bruce Wayne over the edge. and have Richard Grayson wanting Revenge. come on they'll both be on the deep end want to kill. I was thinking this while looking over the resent frank miller Allstar Bat man and Robin and thinking yeah this is dark, But how would Frank miller of which "these guys claim they read his dark knight and his other storys" would do this. how would he convince them.


what wrong with you all that aren't thinking about this right. The only one that's gonna tell them not to do this is most likely Rachel. Come on guys think.

 

[antonydelfini]

The ending of TDK actually made me want to have Robin for part 3. Batman is more isolated and alone as ever. The ending of TDK actually sets up a very similar predicament for Bats like what hapened in Loeb's Dark Victory, which is being alone and isolating himself even more. The character arc for Bruce this time around should be like this: Since he is a wanted and hated man now in Gotham, he is alone as ever. No one believes in Bats anymore, and some of his allies and love ones have lost their lives in TDK. He is alone and he reacts to it by acting as if he wants to be alone, so he becomes colder and more sinister, both in his life as Wayne and his life as a vigilante. What the war against crime did to Harvey in TDK also made Bruce believe that the responsibilty of ridding crime should rest on him only. So he stops giving some love to Alfred, Gordon, and Fox. All of these are happening because he is grieving over Harvey's death, Rachel's death, and the death of Gotham's trust in him. As the film progresses, Robin will help Bruce get over the grief over what happened with his partner in crime Dent; Catwoman will help Bruce get over the lost of the love of his life Rachel. In the end, through his relationships with Catwoman and Robin, Batman will find his crusade against war and his personal life not that lonely and depressing anymore, and Gotham will be better for it. And because of that, Bruce will finally get over the lost of the city's trust on him. I've read Dark Victory, and that comic book is dark and noirish and gritty like Nolan's world. Robin could work if done right.

 

[hegele]

remember the last time fans demanded a character the director didn't want?

.......... we got venom.

 

[OwlBoy]

I want the next Batman movie to end with Wayne going to Hayley's Circus.

It appeases both people, Robin will exist in the universe presumably but those who don't want him don't have to actually see him.

 

[chaseter]

Bruce is just barely 30 in this franchise so him taking in a teenage kid is lame...even lamer than Robin himself.

 

[darkseid26]

if they use robin i think they will use grayson or gordons son...

gordons son sorta admires batman, he can be a little like jason todd...

thats just a weird theory, but i don't want robin in the films.

 

[Star]

No, No, No.

 

[Dr. Fate]

remember the last time fans demanded a character the director didn't want?

.......... we got venom.

Ugh, we all know Venom deserved better than that.

 

[Edward Nigma]

ya know, i voted no, and if it's going to be a trilogy, then no.

but if they can take it to 6 films, i say go for it, introduce jason todd at the end of 3, become robin by the middle/end of 4, then get killed by joker at the beginning of 6, setting the theme for the rest of the film.

one can wish, eh/

 

[zenith16]

Ugh, we all know Venom deserved better than that.

hmmm you know after seeing the movie Nolan made of harvey dent and seeing talk about what happened to venom and basically the same thing already happened with out fans pushing for dent to show up. LOL. This kind of talk is unjustified now. Two face got the same raw deal with out what hegele likes to bring up about venom often. And there other circumstances besides fan want there for Spider man 3. though I was arguing with/against those venom fans originally that venom can show up in the movies in after the sinister six are made befor they put him in period. but they jus had to put him in 3 blech.

Nah the Spider man 3 movie got messed up cause they (the Studio producers) wanted to out do "Bat man begins" with their two villains so they added three villains in spidey 3 to try and top bat man. it wasn't just venom fan b.s. Unfortunitly. Any way seeing what happened in the Dark night movie with two face. I really think the venom thing has become moot point now.

Thanks guys for holding that grudge that it showed up in dark knight to bite you again with out fans pushing it. grudges ain't good. sheesh. you sent harvey to his doom with it. Damn it.

 

[Darkly Dexter]

no Robin!!!!!

 

[DeGenerate10]

The way TDR ended I highly doubt that Robin will be in it.

 

[Texas Zombie]

No room for robin. Just saw TDK and no. Batman works with fear, intimidation, strength, and skill. I personally can't see bruce risking a kids life...