November 2007 Solicitations

I kind of want the Marvel Atlas, but I don't know if it'll be worth it since all the information will probably be up on Marvel's website and Wikipedia within a week anyway.
Never lose interest in an amazing book like that :csad:
I'll probably wind up getting it. It just seems dumb that they didn't reprint it for X2, the same way it seems dumb that DC hasn't put out a new printing of Stardust to coincide with the movie. The guys who work at my shop said they had a long list of people looking for Stardust because of the movie when I asked them about it, but they couldn't get any copies because DC's not printing them. I don't get it; it's like throwing away free money. :confused:
 
I kind of want the Marvel Atlas, but I don't know if it'll be worth it since all the information will probably be up on Marvel's website and Wikipedia within a week anyway.

I think they should have named it "Marvel Timely Atlas"
 
I hate that the cover to Annihilation: Conquest is kinda spoilerish.:( Not that I thought some of the people on the cover would die or stay evil permanently, but now I know they're "safe".
 
the same way it seems dumb that DC hasn't put out a new printing of Stardust to coincide with the movie. The guys who work at my shop said they had a long list of people looking for Stardust because of the movie when I asked them about it, but they couldn't get any copies because DC's not printing them. I don't get it; it's like throwing away free money. :confused:
Uh, they did reprint Stardust; a new run of the hardcover came out on July 5th. It's on Amazon.com:

http://www.amazon.com/Stardust-Neil...7216912?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1187744456&sr=8-1
 
#11 solicitation:

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IMMORTAL IRON FIST #11
Written by MATT FRACTION &

ED BRUBAKER

Art by DAVID AJA &

ROY ALLAN MARTINEZ

Cover by Travel Foreman

THE SEVEN CAPITAL CITIES OF HEAVEN keeps kicking and punching its way toward the brutal finish line. Danny fights for survival --- for the centuries-long legacy of the Iron Fist against the other Immortal Weapons; for his own life, as Davos the Steel Serpent makes his deadly move behind the scenes; and for K'un-Lun itself as the sinister Mr. Xao and his legion of Hydra science-terrorists conspire to wreak havok on the mystical city. Can even an ultimate warrior like the Immortal Iron Fist fight a war --- and win --- on three fronts? Even with the classic HEROES FOR HIRE working behind the scenes? Yeah, no, probably not. By Matt and Ed and David and Matt and Dave (THE IMMORTAL IRON FIST).

32 PGS./Rated T+ …$2.99

Sounds awesome!
 
Is Ultimatum a regular Mighty Avengers villian or something?


Because....

This guy looks like Ultimate Nick Fury VVVV

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and....
AVENGERS: THE INITIATIVE ANNUAL #1
Written by DAN SLOTT
Penciled by TBA
Cover by JIM CHEUNG
AUTHORIZED PERSONNEL ONLY!
You have been granted clearance to Camp Hammond's most sensitive files.
For the first time anywhere, witness the hidden origins of the GAUNTLET, ARMORY, MVP, and HARDBALL. Also, learn some of the Initiative's most hi-tech secrets. And meet the team from America's 2nd State, Pennsylvania, as they battle FLAG SMASHER and the forces of ULTIMATUM! How will Philly react to the Initiative's all-new take on the LIBERTY LEGION?
Jump on here for the next chapter in Marvel's big breakout series!
48 PGS./Rated T+ …$3.99
Ultimatum is the next big Ultimate event starting next year....

Just funny coincidence?
 
More thoughts from me:

- I'm with Darthphere about the GOD LOVES, MAN KILLS HC; I may not buy it as I already own the story, but it definately is one that always deserves a newer print with more goodies. The X-Men have had a lot of stories, a large chunk of them written by Chris Claremont. Some touched on all the key themes of the franchise, some were just character stories, and some went into wild distractions, like space or magic. XM:GLMK is of the former variety, nailing what the X-Men are all about with good dialogue, story, and effective action pacing. Honestly, it is one of my favorite X-Men stories and argueably one of the best. Yeah, Marvel could have timed it better with X2, but the more editions of this, the merrier.

Indeed. And anytime you agree with me, you know it's a good thing. That sounded a lot more pompous than what I meant.

- The more of Hudlin I glance at, the more I believe he really shouldn't be in comics and should just join the actual Black Panthers. If a white person consistantly wrote such blatent stereotypes in his work, he'd be called a racist. Or Garth Ennis. :p

Hudlin is a bane on not only Black Panther and Storm, arguably (IMO the) most prominent black comic book characters out there. I really wish people would wise up and see how much he has single handedly destroyed the credibility of BP's solo effort.

- Bendis on ULTIMATE ORIGINS, eh? I sort of get annoyed at the 21st century method of storytelling, that everything in life has to be connected in some conspiracy. That said, Bendis is one of the co-founders of the Ultimate line (along with Millar), so this is his story to tell, so I may pick it up.

I have no interest in this, considering I wish there wasn't an Ultimate Universe to begin with. So I don't care for it's origin. And I agree, why does everything need to be tied to something?

- If there is any sign that the Ultimate Universe has largely accomplished what it set out to do and now is filling pages because all the comics sell too well to cancel, it is ULTIMATE SAGA. Originally, this franchise was made to attract either old or new fans put off by buckets of continuity. Now, most of these franchises are 7+ years old and have a bucket of continuity in themselves. It's not 616, but still, over half a decade's worth of stuff. Now, I am not saying that we should cancel Ultimate, or that it is a waste, or that they could restart it. Just saying, my, amazing how things change with time.

Destroy the Ultimate Universe, it's just as confusing as 616 at this point. "What? There are 3 goblins in Ultimate Spider-Man?"

- Glad that Paquette is sticking on ULTIMATE X-MEN, because Kirkman's run has been riddled with terrible art since Raney left (after being wasted on the Magician issues), and Paquette has been the only decent artist on that book since. Still, Kirkman really has to pick things up and seems to have a direction, but is also stuck in a trap of "what obscure character can I ultimitize next?" and his direction is a bit muddled.

Kind of sad how far this title has fallen really. It used to get top talent, now it seems they're scraping the bottom of the barrel to get people to write this book. And I will laugh if Marvel insists that Singer is still writing an arc on this title at some point.

- Carey & Brooks' ULTIMATE FANTASTIC FOUR, though, looks better. I originally pined for Brooks to replace Bagley on USM, but y'know what? Glad that didn't happen because I actually still read UFF.

And I still hate how much you support the Ultimate Universe. :(

- ASM has not only been stuck in perpetual crossover for over two years now, it has also ended every issue with a cliffhanger and that is why I have stayed as long as I have after CW. I am not sure I may stick around for OMD, although I will return for Slott. But we'll see what happens. What are the Vegas odds on the Parker Marriage ending? The amazing thing is, DC can do nothing but rehash and repeat their own Silver Age, but even THEY know breaking up the Kent marriage would be lackluster.

I've already made a clear choice that OMD is DO NOT WANT.

- The fact that a comic being solicted a mere 3 months in the future doesn't even have an artist yet when most artists need a period of a month or more to get in an issue on time, much less an extra sized annual, is a bad sign for AVENGERS: INITIATIVE ANNUAL. But I'll still get it. Guess Armory & MVP are coming back in some form if Slott's bothering to do origins for them.

I'm sure they have the artist, but are waiting to make some huge announcement or something about it.

- ANNIHILATION CONQUEST naturally looks good.

Indeed. But not as good as the first one. I don't know but that's how I feel about this mini. It seems that I just hold the first one on a pedestal.

- I cease to see any point in reviving the original CAPTAIN MARVEL, and in a way he reeks of DC's obsession with Hal Jordon, a character that appeals to nothing the company has done for the past decade or so and just smells of the yesteryear that no one under 40 is fond of. Plan for the future, not the past, guys.

The premise is interesting enough, but I hated his Return like most logical minds did. But, hopefully this is a decent comic. Haven't decided if I will get it or not.

- FANTASTIC FOUR #552 promises more "dark revelations for Reed from CW" and quite frankly I am getting tired of that crap. It reminds me of the stuff with Xavier; Millar made Xavier a shady, semi-corrupt and manipulative cult leader in ULTIMATE X-MEN and then all of a sudden writers in 616 were so quick to add more tragic secrets and sins to mainstream Xavier, you'd think it'd cause their penises to enlarge (Brubaker and Whedon included). Now we see that Millar may have sparked something simular in Richards, and I am getting tired of it. How about for once portraying an actual VILLAIN as a semi sympathetic bastard who does mean things? Lord, the Wizard has been without a good motive for generations now.

Meh, it could be anything. Considering it's Doom saying this, it could be more of Reed tries to stop every supervillain in the world type thing.

- GHOST RIDER #17 seems wonky and I really hope the conclusion to the Satan arc is worth it, considering what a stupid non-retcon retcon it was.

It won't be, don't bother.

- I may or may not get HOWARD THE DUCK. I've never been fond of the character although I haven't ever read much of him, either. If #1 comes on a slow week in October I could see myself getting it.

Buy it, read it, love it. Possibly.

- Show of hands; does anyone give two ****'s about HOM: AVENGERS? Nope? No one? Now, how many of you would wish Marvel would just allow HOM to fade into history? Wow, wow, not all at once. Yeah. I mean, Gage is a good writer, but why the **** is he wasted on crap like this!? HOM was THREE GOD DAMNED YEARS AGO! No one cares! No one cares but Bendis because his ego is larger than the planet Jupiter, or whatever editors whose job it is to keep Bendis' rear moist with fresh spittle from all the kisses. This is a book that doesn't matter except to obsessed die-hards who Marvel never has any shame with fleecing, and seems to just be an attempt to get another Avengers book on the racks; we now have about five a month. Didn't you greedy bastards learn the overexposure lessons with Spider-Man and the X-Men!? At the end of the day I mourn yet another waste of Gage's talents at Marvel. If the guy signs DC exclusive before Marvel has the brains to put him on a decent book with importance (much like McKeever), I don't blame him.

If I were a weaker man, Gage and Perkins alone would make me buy this, but damn, I agree.

- IMMORTAL IRON FIST, as always, looks awesome.

Indeed my good friend. A yellow collar would make it "awesomer".

- MARVEL COMICS PRESENTS looks nice, but OMEGA FLIGHT scored Top 50 sales for every issue of their mini, yet Marvel may risk letting that excitement fade and merely throws those fans who answered their dare for Oeming & Kolins' book with a minor MCP story? There are moments where Marvel nails it right on the head, and other moments where Marvel so misses the mark that they resemble brain-dead carp, and the failure to make OF an ongoing after the strong sales of the mini and the talent employed with making it is starting to look like the latter. Don't F this one up, Marvel. You dared the fans to support OMEGA FLIGHT to make it an ongoing and they did. Keep your end of the bargain to your fans for once in Joe Q's miserable tenure as EIC.

Kolins leaving Marvel might have caused a delay in the fruition of an ongoing.

- Marvel is spitting out no end of POWER PACK kiddie books yet does nothing to get POWER PACK as a TV cartoon, when they literally fit every network condition (child heroes, bright colors, and animals). Instead they waste a DTV on AVENGERS REBORN (re: AVENGERS BABIES). Mind-boggling.

Power Pack is one of those concepts that seems silly to not have a saturday morning cartoon based on. Especially with so many other toons with similar concepts out there.

- Hopefully the "ramifications" of WWH won't be overmilked, because many of the tie-in's have been rather obligatory. Tom Foster's involvement in WWH still prevents him from being Night-Thrasher in NW's, in my eyes.

I'm with you here. Aftermash? I mean, ok I'll try not to judge it yet, but I'm getting Hulked out at this point.

- MARVEL ATLAS looks fun for us data geeks.

"I will show you the world...."

- ANOTHER Marvel Zombies mini? Ugh, give them an ongoing or cut it out, it is getting annoying.

Yes, Marvel Zombies have gone too long. Lets make this a going away party.

- MOON KNIGHT ANNUAL #1 without Husten? It screams filler, but most annuals are, so it is fine.

Most annuals aren't written by the writer of the title for some reason.

- Was anyone there screaming for a retelling of OMEGA THE UNKNOWN? No. Imagine all of the better characters who could have gotten a mini.

Imagine all the worse characters that could've gotten a mini.

- NOVA naturally always looks cool, hopefully the sales hold up; it has been slipping. I'd hate for it to not be able to outlive BLADE.

**** Blade. Nova is good at this point sales wise, as long as it stays in the 6-70's ranges.

- NEW AVENGERS ILLUMINATI promising shocking betrayals and in-fighting between heroes, written by Bendis. Good golly, how original. He never has written that a billion god damned times before. :rolleyes: Oh, well, least it fits his strength, which is writing superheroes as failures of life. With Reed co-writing this still manages to be the best thing Bendis is writing right now, IMO.

Not interested in pointless retcons. Sadly, it seems that this will have ramifications on the current continuity.

- NEW WARRIORS #6 as always looks good and Walker on PUNISHER WAR JOURNAL is icing on the cake.

I don't read either.

- I might just stay on THOR a little bit, and THE ORDER and MODOK'S 11 continue to look appealing, as is my guilty pleasure, X-MEN FIRST CLASS.

Guilty pleasure? Pffft. You claimed it was Marvel's best title if I recall.

- Onto MAX territory; more TERROR, INC is good. I likely will give FOOLKILLER a try. And I like how the cover of THE ZOMBIE: SIMON GARTH #1 pays homage to a classic painted 70's cover with that same character pose. Good to see other classics besides superheroes get homaged. I may give it a try, although MAX books are expensive, so who knows.

MAX should be, and is possibly moving towards that Vertigo line we all wanted it to be.
 
Wait! Gangsta-Gangsta? :dry:



And Stark leading Ultimates now? I HATE the effect movies have on comic books :down:
 
Is Ultimatum a regular Mighty Avengers villian or something?


Because....

This guy looks like Ultimate Nick Fury VVVV

AvnInitAnn.jpg


and....

Ultimatum is the next big Ultimate event starting next year....

Just funny coincidence?

That bald black guy is Gauntlet. Nothing to do with Ultimate Nick Fury.
 
Not interested in pointless retcons. Sadly, it seems that this will have ramifications on the current continuity.
If a retcon has ramifications, is it not then in possession of a point, and hence not pointless?
 
Um...that's ******ed. Because it was pointless to make the retcon in the first place.:o :o :o :huh: :o :o
No, the point of Bendis' retcons is to set up his current Skrull story (and a bunch of all the other stories he's told); it is a point, although you may not agree with it.
 
No, the point of Bendis' retcons is to set up his current Skrull story (and a bunch of all the other stories he's told); it is a point, although you may not agree with it.

His Skrull story is pointless too. Making the retcon even more pointless. It's a pointless retcon for the simple fact that, allow me to emphasize this IT WAS NOT NEEDED, therefore POINTLESS.

There are several different ways to make his ****ing Skrull invasion story without tampering with past events.
 
Indeed. And anytime you agree with me, you know it's a good thing. That sounded a lot more pompous than what I meant.

S'alright.

Hudlin is a bane on not only Black Panther and Storm, arguably (IMO the) most prominent black comic book characters out there. I really wish people would wise up and see how much he has single handedly destroyed the credibility of BP's solo effort.

Definately agreed. I mean if the T'Challa/Ororo marriage was an editorial decision, any writer could have done it and perhaps better. A #1 usually boosts any book's sales, and it is a shame that Black Panther couldn't have gotten someone better.

I have no interest in this, considering I wish there wasn't an Ultimate Universe to begin with. So I don't care for it's origin. And I agree, why does everything need to be tied to something?

Interconnected conspiracies somehow catch more interest. I usually find them more unrealistic because life sometimes can be very random. But, to be fair, the groundwork for this stuff was laid into Ultimate and it works better here than in 616, so, whatever.

Destroy the Ultimate Universe, it's just as confusing as 616 at this point. "What? There are 3 goblins in Ultimate Spider-Man?"

I wouldn't destroy Ultimate and all the books sell within The Top 50, even if some, like UFF and Ult. XM, have lost a good 25% of their readers or more within the last 4 years or less, and are slowly bleeding more. Perhaps the line needs a bit of a rest and a creative refresher look, as it mainly accomplished all that it was launched to do. It brought in some new ideas and talent into Marvel (whether all were good or bad overall is another story), they have a good 4-7 years of continuity at this rate and seem to be filling pages with B and C level talent. Granted, UFF is still enjoyable. I want to like Ultimate X-Men more because it's Kirkman, but it's still his worst book.

Kind of sad how far this title has fallen really. It used to get top talent, now it seems they're scraping the bottom of the barrel to get people to write this book. And I will laugh if Marvel insists that Singer is still writing an arc on this title at some point.

Marvel is like that girl you quietly and politely try to dump but keeps on calling, least with Hollywood types. The H-Wooders can screw Marvel over in deadlines and whatnot for YEARS, yet Marvel never forgets their numbers. It's like they enjoy being suckered by the "cooler kids". Like that dork who begged for the wedgies so he got closer to the BMOC.

Ultimate in a way is in creative limbo. It accomplished most of their launch goals, yet all sell too well to cancel. The best selling of the lot, USM, is the only one to maintain their A-List writer, even though that was ironically the first title I dropped because I got fed up with said writer. There really are three Ultimate goblins now?

And I still hate how much you support the Ultimate Universe. :(

Give it time. USM irked me and I dropped it, and haven't missed it. Ult.XM was very close until this last arc with decent Paquette art, but who knows how long that will last. UFF has been clicking but it took almost a year of Carey to do so. I am partisan on bothering with ULTIMATES 3.

I've already made a clear choice that OMD is DO NOT WANT.

Yeah. On the other hand, if it really riles fans, it may provide the perfect chance for Slott to ride in and save the day.

Granted, after all the years of JMS and THE OTHER, he could've done it a year ago. :p

I'm sure they have the artist, but are waiting to make some huge announcement or something about it.

Perhaps.

Indeed. But not as good as the first one. I don't know but that's how I feel about this mini. It seems that I just hold the first one on a pedestal.

While I have been enjoying CONQUEST, I doubt it will match or surpass ANNIHILATION as well. That doesn't mean it will be bad. If ANNIHILATION is an A+ effort, and CONQUEST turns out to be a solid B+, that really isn't a failure in my eyes.

The premise is interesting enough, but I hated his Return like most logical minds did. But, hopefully this is a decent comic. Haven't decided if I will get it or not.

I likely won't. I don't see the point.

Meh, it could be anything. Considering it's Doom saying this, it could be more of Reed tries to stop every supervillain in the world type thing.

Dr. Doom is like Magneto, a villain who has become popular but SO much so that to have him doing really vile, nasty things is seen as an unsympathetic thing. Note how Magneto blowing up millions in Manhattan was undone with Xorneto and Waid's demonic Doom stuff is barely acknowledged. McDuffie also came in and tried to explain "Fascist Doctor Reed" once and I fear more of that. I am tired of it.

It won't be, don't bother.

Hey, I've stayed on GHOST RIDER this long...

Buy it, read it, love it. Possibly.

Still 50/50 on Howard.

If I were a weaker man, Gage and Perkins alone would make me buy this, but damn, I agree.

Y'know what'd rock? Gage on an actual Avengers title. Give him whatever characters he wants, it's not like Marvel isn't spitting out Avenger titles like they were freakin' popcorn, I bet it'd be good, better than HOM crap. Or get him to co-write one of Bendis' titles because they all magically improve when he gets a co-writer. Or something better than this.

Indeed my good friend. A yellow collar would make it "awesomer".

I never missed Iron Fist's collar, nor did I hold it against him. I like his new sleek design, the only part that sometimes clashes is the long flowing belt. But, no biggie.

Kolins leaving Marvel might have caused a delay in the fruition of an ongoing.

Kolins LEFT MARVEL!? Why the hell did they let him go!? He was one of their best artists!

Power Pack is one of those concepts that seems silly to not have a saturday morning cartoon based on. Especially with so many other toons with similar concepts out there.

Definately. I mean DC was willing to take a risk on little recognized characters like TEEN TITANS and LEGION OF SUPERHEROES, although both had Robin and Superman(boy) as stars the first season.


I'm with you here. Aftermash? I mean, ok I'll try not to judge it yet, but I'm getting Hulked out at this point.

Yeah. That is why I have been avoiding most of the tie-in's.

Yes, Marvel Zombies have gone too long. Lets make this a going away party.

Hell yeah.

Most annuals aren't written by the writer of the title for some reason.

Likely because the writer is busy on the ongoing, and/or to try out a new writer on the character when the core title writer leaves (which, in modern times, is usually after about 12-18 issues on average, IF THAT).

Imagine all the worse characters that could've gotten a mini.

Touche'. But why not just try to make a new character?

**** Blade. Nova is good at this point sales wise, as long as it stays in the 6-70's ranges.

Yeah.

Not interested in pointless retcons. Sadly, it seems that this will have ramifications on the current continuity.

Of course, because Bendis is SO important. :whatever: I mean, plenty of writers have sold, but it seems in the 21st century at both the big two those that do are suddenly allowed to muck with the entire universe as they see fit, like a child with clay (Geoff Johns is DC's overextended writer).

Guilty pleasure? Pffft. You claimed it was Marvel's best title if I recall.

XM:FC? Marvel's best title? No way. Maybe one of the best at the moment to me, but not THE best. Off the top of my head I can list a bunch I enjoy more. AVENGERS: INITIATIVE, IMMORTAL IRON FIST, THE LONERS, OMEGA FLIGHT (before it ended), NOVA, STARLORD....

It is a simple fun pleasure book to me, probably like SPIDER MAN LOVES MARY JANE is to others.

MAX should be, and is possibly moving towards that Vertigo line we all wanted it to be.

That would require A-List talent and Marvel seeing stories published that are about the medium, not money or sales, which is something they never have done.
 
Definately agreed. I mean if the T'Challa/Ororo marriage was an editorial decision, any writer could have done it and perhaps better. A #1 usually boosts any book's sales, and it is a shame that Black Panther couldn't have gotten someone better.

It's just man, some people may blame it on priest being so good, but there's no excuse for this crap he's pulling on us. It's like one endless UPN Black sitcom with this book.

Interconnected conspiracies somehow catch more interest. I usually find them more unrealistic because life sometimes can be very random. But, to be fair, the groundwork for this stuff was laid into Ultimate and it works better here than in 616, so, whatever.

LOST seemed to have started that trend, or at least made it popular, and I hate it. Way too many coincidences and excuses to drag plots on too long.

I wouldn't destroy Ultimate and all the books sell within The Top 50, even if some, like UFF and Ult. XM, have lost a good 25% of their readers or more within the last 4 years or less, and are slowly bleeding more. Perhaps the line needs a bit of a rest and a creative refresher look, as it mainly accomplished all that it was launched to do. It brought in some new ideas and talent into Marvel (whether all were good or bad overall is another story), they have a good 4-7 years of continuity at this rate and seem to be filling pages with B and C level talent. Granted, UFF is still enjoyable. I want to like Ultimate X-Men more because it's Kirkman, but it's still his worst book.

And considering he writes Ant Man, that's saying a lot.:o



Marvel is like that girl you quietly and politely try to dump but keeps on calling, least with Hollywood types. The H-Wooders can screw Marvel over in deadlines and whatnot for YEARS, yet Marvel never forgets their numbers. It's like they enjoy being suckered by the "cooler kids". Like that dork who begged for the wedgies so he got closer to the BMOC.

LOL! But I wonder if Marvel really still plans on having Singer come in for an arc.

Ultimate in a way is in creative limbo. It accomplished most of their launch goals, yet all sell too well to cancel. The best selling of the lot, USM, is the only one to maintain their A-List writer, even though that was ironically the first title I dropped because I got fed up with said writer. There really are three Ultimate goblins now?

Last I heard. But no at the same time or anything.


Give it time. USM irked me and I dropped it, and haven't missed it. Ult.XM was very close until this last arc with decent Paquette art, but who knows how long that will last. UFF has been clicking but it took almost a year of Carey to do so. I am partisan on bothering with ULTIMATES 3.

I remember UFF being real good under Millar and Land. Too bad they spawned the Zombie craze.


Yeah. On the other hand, if it really riles fans, it may provide the perfect chance for Slott to ride in and save the day.

Granted, after all the years of JMS and THE OTHER, he could've done it a year ago. :p

Yeah, I don't really plan on buying Spidey, even with Slott and McNiven kicking things off. I'm just tired of all the drama and changes with his character.



While I have been enjoying CONQUEST, I doubt it will match or surpass ANNIHILATION as well. That doesn't mean it will be bad. If ANNIHILATION is an A+ effort, and CONQUEST turns out to be a solid B+, that really isn't a failure in my eyes.

No doubt, but I can't help but feeling the magic is missing a little.



I likely won't. I don't see the point.

Neither do I. But for those souls who do buy the title, I hope it's good.

Dr. Doom is like Magneto, a villain who has become popular but SO much so that to have him doing really vile, nasty things is seen as an unsympathetic thing. Note how Magneto blowing up millions in Manhattan was undone with Xorneto and Waid's demonic Doom stuff is barely acknowledged. McDuffie also came in and tried to explain "Fascist Doctor Reed" once and I fear more of that. I am tired of it.

McDuffie came up with one of the best and coolest explanations IMO.

Hey, I've stayed on GHOST RIDER this long...

Too long.

Still 50/50 on Howard.

I'm 100% on Howard.

Y'know what'd rock? Gage on an actual Avengers title. Give him whatever characters he wants, it's not like Marvel isn't spitting out Avenger titles like they were freakin' popcorn, I bet it'd be good, better than HOM crap. Or get him to co-write one of Bendis' titles because they all magically improve when he gets a co-writer. Or something better than this.

Gage should be writing some top level book, no doubt. I really wish Union Jack sold well enough to warrant an ongoing. That was a great mini, and a great cast which we've seen nothing from ever since.

I never missed Iron Fist's collar, nor did I hold it against him. I like his new sleek design, the only part that sometimes clashes is the long flowing belt. But, no biggie.

Collar is always FTW.

Kolins LEFT MARVEL!? Why the hell did they let him go!? He was one of their best artists!

His exclusive ran out, and it seems he's not going to do any more Marvel work in the near future.

Definately. I mean DC was willing to take a risk on little recognized characters like TEEN TITANS and LEGION OF SUPERHEROES, although both had Robin and Superman(boy) as stars the first season.

I'm looking forward to this darker take on Legion next season.


Yeah. That is why I have been avoiding most of the tie-in's.

Yeah, I don't know, WWH has been everything I imagined it would be, but to me has been slightly dull.

Hell yeah.

I loved the Marvel Zombies in UFF and their initial mini, but everyone including Hudlin has tackled them, lets put them to rest.

Likely because the writer is busy on the ongoing, and/or to try out a new writer on the character when the core title writer leaves (which, in modern times, is usually after about 12-18 issues on average, IF THAT).

I like how their going for a similar feel on these Moon Knight writers though. All crime novelists and such, with a love for comic books. That's cool.

Touche'. But why not just try to make a new character?

Duh! because that's hard.

Of course, because Bendis is SO important. :whatever: I mean, plenty of writers have sold, but it seems in the 21st century at both the big two those that do are suddenly allowed to muck with the entire universe as they see fit, like a child with clay (Geoff Johns is DC's overextended writer).

They eventually will have their fall from grace, it always happens. I mean, where's Claremont and Byrne now?

XM:FC? Marvel's best title? No way. Maybe one of the best at the moment to me, but not THE best. Off the top of my head I can list a bunch I enjoy more. AVENGERS: INITIATIVE, IMMORTAL IRON FIST, THE LONERS, OMEGA FLIGHT (before it ended), NOVA, STARLORD....

It is a simple fun pleasure book to me, probably like SPIDER MAN LOVES MARY JANE is to others.

You we're probably drunk.

That would require A-List talent and Marvel seeing stories published that are about the medium, not money or sales, which is something they never have done.

I don't know if it requires A list talent, but some sort of Gaiman mini can't hurt.:o
 
No, the point of Bendis' retcons is to set up his current Skrull story (and a bunch of all the other stories he's told); it is a point, although you may not agree with it.

I gotta agree with Darth on this one. If you prefer the use of another word, then I would say this was a needless retcon. Like others have said, this was/is an exercise in reaching out to the past and setting up things egotistically for the sake of an "event". The worst of it is that we have Bendis doing the writing. He even f'ed up the most recent issue: Noh-Varr ISN'T from this reality and his Kree were different from ours. The whole issue was wrong, ESPECIALLY seeing Noh-Varr contemplate the idea of Captain Marvel in the end in a subdued manner. Many of us also hate the concept of the "Skrulls amongst us" because we've been BADLY burned by the use of this plot device. We don't need another reason like the one Bendis made up by having the Illuminati threaten the Skrulls. There are enough already that make for credible reasons for the Skrulls to be amassing on Earth. THAT'S why this feels pointless, because there was no need nor logical point to the retcon. The only point is to fuel one writer's idea, and badly at that.
 
I gotta agree with Darth on this one. If you prefer the use of another word, then I would say this was a needless retcon. Like others have said, this was/is an exercise in reaching out to the past and setting up things egotistically for the sake of an "event". The worst of it is that we have Bendis doing the writing. He even f'ed up the most recent issue: Noh-Varr ISN'T from this reality and his Kree were different from ours. The whole issue was wrong, ESPECIALLY seeing Noh-Varr contemplate the idea of Captain Marvel in the end in a subdued manner. Many of us also hate the concept of the "Skrulls amongst us" because we've been BADLY burned by the use of this plot device. We don't need another reason like the one Bendis made up by having the Illuminati threaten the Skrulls. There are enough already that make for credible reasons for the Skrulls to be amassing on Earth. THAT'S why this feels pointless, because there was no need nor logical point to the retcon. The only point is to fuel one writer's idea, and badly at that.

Spanishians!!!!!:cmad: :up:
 
Wait! Gangsta-Gangsta? :dry:
I didn't notice before, but the X-Men: First Class solicitation is even worse:
Newsarama said:
"Hey Cyclops, you seen my powers anywhere?"
"Naw."
"Ay-ay, where my wings go at?"
"Dag, I'm all havin' to lift up my coffee with my HANDS, yo."
"Dang. We cold done lost our powerz."
:dry:
 
Holy ****. Hudlin needs to stop writing these solicits.
 
It's just man, some people may blame it on Priest being so good, but there's no excuse for this crap he's pulling on us. It's like one endless UPN Black sitcom with this book.

Y'know, I always hate that excuse. "Oh, it's not so bad, it's just the last guy was so phenominal that your expectations are too high." Baloney. There is a difference, and a huge one, between a decent writer who manages to pull off a B following an A+ grandmaster run, and a writer who produces absolute crap. Semi-Reasonable fans know this difference, and even ones who don't likely do, deep down.

All taste is subjective, but still...

LOST seemed to have started that trend, or at least made it popular, and I hate it. Way too many coincidences and excuses to drag plots on too long.

In comics, ULTIMATE started planting the seeds before LOST essentially made it a complete rip-offable fad. But, in a way, comics have always done this. Hell, the snowstorm that trapped the Kents after they found Kal even had a comic explaination (it was caused by Manhunters I believe). LOST just made this trend into something that may possibly hit overkill.

And considering he writes Ant Man, that's saying a lot.:o

Considering he also writes INVINCIBLE, a comic I'd hump if I could, that is also a lot.

LOL! But I wonder if Marvel really still plans on having Singer come in for an arc.

They are suckers for Hollywood. If Singer called, said nothing, and hung up, they'd still yearn for it.

Last I heard. But no at the same time or anything.

I'm not going back to USM to check. :p

I remember UFF being real good under Millar and Land. Too bad they spawned the Zombie craze.

At the very least, the first mini provided Kirkman his only TOP TEN selling Marvel work and that likely got him Marvel's blessing to get one ongoing after the other. A shame they couldn't also sell well. But, it was never for me.

I still have the first print of MARVEL ZOMBIES #1, waiting until I get hungry enough to sell it.

Yeah, I don't really plan on buying Spidey, even with Slott and McNiven kicking things off. I'm just tired of all the drama and changes with his character.

I expect Slott to back away from that and get back to the character in a way that isn't a perpetual tragedy.

No doubt, but I can't help but feeling the magic is missing a little.

That is because ANNIHILATION came out of nowhere, especially against CIVIL WAR, and offered a lot of what that event wasn't. Unified heroes, an outright villain, competant writing, and amped up characters. This time, CONQUEST is a sequal. We have expectations for it that are loftier because of the success of the first. And WORLD WAR HULK is better than CW was so it has steeper competition.

McDuffie came up with one of the best and coolest explanations IMO.

I suppose. Least he's gone back to some lighter fare, I just wasn't in the mood for more Reed dickery.

Too long.

I haven't closed an issue of GHOST RIDER with as much seething hatred as I have many an issue of NEW AVENGERS. :whatever:

I'm 100% on Howard.

Didn't know you had a fetish. ;) Jokes aside, I wonder if he'll be allowed to smoke stogies under Joe Q's ludicrious, "wholeslate slaughter and T & A is wholesome, but smoking may be a bad example for children, who make up .000000000000000000000000001% of our audience" policy. Hey, I had a grandfather who was mowed down by a drunk driver (on the mother's side), that doesn't mean if I was head of a company I'd fire anyone who drinks after work or something.

Gage should be writing some top level book, no doubt. I really wish Union Jack sold well enough to warrant an ongoing. That was a great mini, and a great cast which we've seen nothing from ever since.

I never read UJ, but what little of Gage I have read has always been better than it had a right to be. He definately needs more meaningful work, before DC sees a chance and nabs 'im.

Collar is always FTW.

I like Iron Fist's new costume. And title.

His exclusive ran out, and it seems he's not going to do any more Marvel work in the near future.

That really stinks. He was Kolins, man. :(

I'm looking forward to this darker take on Legion next season.

Indeed, although I will likely be looking forward to SPECTACULAR SPIDER-MAN more.

Yeah, I don't know, WWH has been everything I imagined it would be, but to me has been slightly dull.

That is easy to understand. Hulk has fought heroes before. Hulk has been impossible to TKO before. And no matter how well paced or drawn, it amounts to a large green man punching stuff, which he has been doing for 40 years. I'm enjoying it, but I also can sense the monotomy. I originally was going to pass on it 'till I read some good reviews here.

I loved the Marvel Zombies in UFF and their initial mini, but everyone including Hudlin has tackled them, lets put them to rest.

Agreed. Unfortunately, Marvel never quits with a franchise when they are ahead. They wait until it has been totally overexposed and milked of every last cent of profit before it is left in the sand to curl up and be forgotten. Once upon a time, any X-Book sold in the Top 10. Now Marvel can't even keep a GAMBIT title afloat for over a year.

I like how their going for a similar feel on these Moon Knight writers though. All crime novelists and such, with a love for comic books. That's cool.

That is cool. Come to think of it, it's felt like forever since the last MOON KNIGHT book. Timely issues, not crossovers, will make him impactful on the MU.

Duh! because that's hard.

Slott is doing it in AVENGERS INITIATIVE (and SHE-HULK), and Fraction is doing it in THE ORDER. It can be done.

They eventually will have their fall from grace, it always happens. I mean, where's Claremont and Byrne now?

Claremont is still given any X-book and usually two. And I don't think I can take another decade of Bendis-*******-licking until that happens. Still, at least we have some other writers being pumped up who weren't a few years ago; Slott, Fraction, possibly Jeff Parker, and who knows down the line Gage, etc.

You we're probably drunk.

No, just in the mood for light X-stuff that doesn't hurt my brain.

I don't know if it requires A list talent, but some sort of Gaiman mini can't hurt.:o

A-List talent brings sales. I mean way back VERTIGO was some of the hottest writers having a ball with their best work of their careers. Marvel's MAX line hasn't had that yet and needs it badly if they ever want to add some artistic cred to their financial domination. Marvel may kick DC's ass on the charts and make it look easy, but they've never delivered a PREACHER, or an ANIMAL MAN, or a TRANSMETPOLITAN.

I gotta agree with Darth on this one. If you prefer the use of another word, then I would say this was a needless retcon. Like others have said, this was/is an exercise in reaching out to the past and setting up things egotistically for the sake of an "event". The worst of it is that we have Bendis doing the writing. He even f'ed up the most recent issue: Noh-Varr ISN'T from this reality and his Kree were different from ours. The whole issue was wrong, ESPECIALLY seeing Noh-Varr contemplate the idea of Captain Marvel in the end in a subdued manner. Many of us also hate the concept of the "Skrulls amongst us" because we've been BADLY burned by the use of this plot device. We don't need another reason like the one Bendis made up by having the Illuminati threaten the Skrulls. There are enough already that make for credible reasons for the Skrulls to be amassing on Earth. THAT'S why this feels pointless, because there was no need nor logical point to the retcon. The only point is to fuel one writer's idea, and badly at that.

I also concur.
 
No, he was Kolins. :oldrazz:

It's not as bad as TheCorpulent1 burning you for switching THE ORDER with THE OTHER via spelling, which is like confusing Jessica Alba for Rosie O'Donnel. :o
 

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