Endgame Official Avengers: Endgame News & Speculation Thread!

[MahvelBaby!]

it was like 20 seconds...you'll all live lolol

 

[Prettyricky]

I am literally crying when I see all this acceptance with ethnic and gender diversification. I live in Brazil and I can say with certainty that here in the country we live in a tough and reluctant moment to progress. it's a cool breeze to read that MCU fans are ready to embrace the idea of diversity in the movies.

I never said anything even remotely resembling this argument. So you're either purposely trying to change the argument or you are completely missing my point. Now, what I did say is the list of strong women roles (especially in action films) is much smaller than those of men. Which is not even a real debate. Also, many of these stronger female characters are much more recent creations. So times are changing and they're changing for the better. But that is not the core argument at play here. The real question is,

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why is it when in a battle sequence large groups of men accomplishing a task is awesome while people want to make a group of women doing it out to be a crime against cinema? The answer is simple: we're more used to seeing men in these types than women, and change is scary to people. It's an inherently sexist view. There is no way around that fact.

I mean, if you want to do lists of sex vs sex and shift the argument in that direction, we can do that. I am going to win though. But to counter your list:

Mel Gibson
Arnold Schwarzennager
Sylvester Stallone
Mel Gibson
Keanu Reeves
Kurt Russell
Jean-Claude Van Damme
Jason Statham
Dwayne Johnson
Daniel Craig
Sean Connery
Roger Moore
Pierce Brosnan
Hugh Jackman
Robert Downey Jr.
Chris Evans
Vin Diesal
Paul Walker
Mark Hammel
Harrison Ford
Russell Crowe
Henry Cavill
Ben Affleck
Aaron Eckhart
James McAvoy
Bruce Willis


This list took me 5 seconds. I can name like 100 more. Also most of these dudes have played multiple action heroes. Doesn't seem fair representation for what amounts to at least 50% of our population, does it? Thankfully this is starting to change, though. Even if there is the occasional push back to this progress.

The one thing you failed to realize in all those names they all have charisma and staying power, those names hit and stayed around but how many other appointed “IT” guys have come and gone. Same with female actresses like I listed, there have been alot of actresses who come and go but don't put butts in seats. Anyone can be a superhero now, its not that special or tough given a tree and talking raccoon have come along.

Dont get mad at me if hollywood follows the money and actors or actresses who put butts in the seats. There not gonna put $250 mil behind a movie just so they can be progressive, they do it if theres money to be made.

Guaranteed black panther 2 will see an uptick in budget now that its proven the character can work.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The one thing you failed to realize in all those names they all have charisma and staying power, those names hit and stayed around but how many other appointed “IT” guys have come and gone. Same with female actresses like I listed, there have been alot of actresses who come and go but don't put butts in seats. Anyone can be a superhero now, its not that special or tough given a tree and talking raccoon have come along.

Dont get mad at me if hollywood follows the money and actors or actresses who put butts in the seats. There not gonna put $250 mil behind a movie just so they can be progressive, they do it if theres money to be made.

Guaranteed black panther 2 will see an uptick in budget now that its proven the character can work.

Film is a business with the goal of making money, for sure. Never said anything different. For a long time there was a stigma against female led action films because they mostly flopped, so they stayed away from them for more sure things. Hollywood also learns the wrong lessons. Hollywood tends to just see "Oh, movie A flopped, so this must not be what the audience wants" as opposed to examining why things fail. So they won't do riskier films and will stick to the familiar (sequels, remakes, etc). But if we as a society are going to progress and see things differently, someone needs to be the one to take the dive off the cliff. Marvel Studios has gotten bolder over time, and that is a good thing. But let us not act like we're at a point where the mission is over and equality in representation is acheived. We still have 1 female branded Marvel Studios film (1.5 if you count Ant-Man & the Wasp as co-branding) against 21 (or 20.5 once again) male branded films. Most of which are helmed by white guys of those movies, outside of Black Panther. Granted, part of this can be chalked up to who Marvel thought was their best potential money makers being white dudes in the comics, and I won't discount that. But things like a Black Widow film should have happened ages ago and the ladies should have had a bigger role earlier.

And again, moments like the one in this entire debate should be something everyone can enjoy without being cynical. Let them have their moment, too.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

On the Campea show today they brought up an article that states that Hemsworth re upped his deal back in 2017 for phase 4.

 

[Iceman]

On the Campea show today they brought up an article that states that Hemsworth re upped his deal back in 2017 for phase 4.

I really hope there’s some truth in that!

 

[WhoMani]

The A-Force scene was a little on the nose but it didn't really bother me. These films have become such huge pop culture events. I'm a guy and as I watch these movies sometimes I sit and realize - I'm not the only one here enjoying this movie. That moment was not meant for me. And that's OK.

Yeah you pretty much summed up my feelings on the "pandering" A Force scene. I don't care for the A-Force scene, but I'm happy for anyone that had a positive reaction to the scene and the scene itself is harmless. I get it, there are some far-left idiots that feel that everything has to be diverse and that all white male characters are awful. But I feel that the A-Force scene wasn't done for political reasons and that the Russo brothers thought it would be a good scene, that's all.

 

[DoomRulz]

Yeah you pretty much summed up my feelings on the "pandering" A Force scene. I don't care for the A-Force scene, but I'm happy for anyone that had a positive reaction to the scene and the scene itself is harmless. I get it, there are some far-left idiots that feel that everything has to be diverse and that all white male characters are awful. But I feel that the A-Force scene wasn't done for political reasons and that the Russo brothers thought it would be a good scene, that's all.

I fully agree with you both. Thought I'd share that.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

 

[KevTravels]

The one thing you failed to realize in all those names they all have charisma and staying power, those names hit and stayed around but how many other appointed “IT” guys have come and gone. Same with female actresses like I listed, there have been alot of actresses who come and go but don't put butts in seats. Anyone can be a superhero now, its not that special or tough given a tree and talking raccoon have come along.

Dont get mad at me if hollywood follows the money and actors or actresses who put butts in the seats. There not gonna put $250 mil behind a movie just so they can be progressive, they do it if theres money to be made.

Guaranteed black panther 2 will see an uptick in budget now that its proven the character can work.

Hollywood rarely takes risks. Black Panther was a potential risk for them. But it had Marvel to boost it. If they never take a chance on female action stars, then we'll never know if the audience will support or ignore them. I wanna see less damsels in distress. That's played out. I wanna see less women whose sole purpose is to provide motivation to a hero or provide him some kisses. 3 dimensional characters regardless of gender.

 

[KevTravels]

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What was Secretary Ross doing at the funeral? That must have been incredibly awkward for him

 

[KevTravels]

I do wonder now if we'll get a Thor 4 or simply he'll have a lead role in Guardians 3? And hopefully Tessa Thompson is brought along for the ride.

 

[Holy Slapper]

I do wonder now if we'll get a Thor 4 or simply he'll have a lead role in Guardians 3? And hopefully Tessa Thompson is brought along for the ride.

Or maybe she shows up in CM 2? What with the way Tessa and Brie have been shipping the characters on social media.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I had am idea to make Thor 4 and guardians 3 a two part cross over mini event. That would be a fun new trick for the mcu to pull.

 

[MovieSlave]

I haven't seen anyone mention this before but I realized in the scene where

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Pearce is asking for Tony to hand over the Tesserect as well as Loki,Tony or Thor mentions going to lunch first. Memory is a bit fuzzy so I can remember which of the two it was.

Anyways...Schwarma!

 

[carpenter82]

I'm curious if anyone was reminded of the ending for Spider-Man 3 with the last scene.

 

[MovieSlave]

I'm curious if anyone was reminded of the ending for Spider-Man 3 with the last scene.

Personally I've tried to forget that movie.

 

[Shuri]

I do wonder now if we'll get a Thor 4 or simply he'll have a lead role in Guardians 3? And hopefully Tessa Thompson is brought along for the ride.

He should be supporting in it. I love him, but not enough to want him to highjack that movie. The gotg franchise is my second favourite franchise in the MCU, after The Avengers. They will always come first for me before Thor. I want it to be about them.

 

[Shuri]

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

He da real MVP.

 

[harlequinade]

omg brilliant

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I'm curious if anyone was reminded of the ending for Spider-Man 3 with the last scene.

Gonna have to remind me of that one. How is the last scene like Spidey 3 exactly?

PS remember to put your answer in a SPOILER TAG.

 

[BringMeThanos]

It just felt hokey that in a big chaotic battle all the women in the MCU were in the same place lining up for a trailer shot.

Maybe it just comes down to timing for me,

Worked
- Wonder woman in no mans land worked
- wanda in avengers 2 stepping out to help hawkeye worked
- wanda ripping out ultrons heart worked
- black widow, wanda and okoye vs proxima in IW worked.
- pepper saving tony and the day in ironman 3 in armor worked.
- black window and wanda in all of civil war work.
Peggy shooting guns in cap 1 worked.
- wasp in the kitchen fight in antman 2 worked.

Didnt work
- Captain marvel fighting in her movie to Im just a girl didnt work.
- black widow fighting random security gaurds in ironman 2 didnt work.
- the scene in this movie didnt work.

Theres times where when natural and part of the story it works, when its just dropped at random times it doesnt. Just my opinion though

Do you have the same opinion when its all male or male dominated scenes? I'd like to see your take on the A2 opening scene of them all jumping at the same time. Or three male characters lining up away from battle to attack Ultron alone, or three male characters standing together waiting to attack Thanos. These I guess were just natural.

 

[BringMeThanos]

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So would this suddenly be less hokey if it was T'Challa, M'Baku, Spider-Man, Rhodey, Starlord, and Drax doing it instead? I highly doubt if this same moment happened and we got a collection of the characters named above anyone would say a word about it. Which speaks to the larger conversation about how sexism has been hammered into the audience to the point where audiences react to something like this in a sexist fashion. When it is a sausage fest, no one complains. That's wrong.

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I mean considering it had already happened behind Cap where they all line up... no issue with that, but when its just mainly female characters... completely unnatural.

 

[BringMeThanos]

Yeah you pretty much summed up my feelings on the "pandering" A Force scene. I don't care for the A-Force scene, but I'm happy for anyone that had a positive reaction to the scene and the scene itself is harmless. I get it, there are some far-left idiots that feel that everything has to be diverse and that all white male characters are awful. But I feel that the A-Force scene wasn't done for political reasons and that the Russo brothers thought it would be a good scene, that's all.

Well you've completely missed the point. But congrats on being OK with it.

 

[8ulk87]

Still waiting for that Phase 3 boxset.

Im waiting for the "Infinity Saga" boxset.

On the Campea show today they brought up an article that states that Hemsworth re upped his deal back in 2017 for phase 4.

Hemsworth said multiple times he ll keep doing Thor for as long as they want him.

I think given the fact that Cap and Tony are gone they will probably keep him around unless he becomes a diva like RDJ and starts demanding $100 mil paychecks which doesnt seem to be the case.

Its a win win situation for the Studio and fans. It would be stupid for them to not keep him.