The Dark Knight Rises OFFICIAL: Batman in New York - Part 5

[The_Raganork]

As of late? Have you seen or played Arkham City?

He was severely uninteresting in AC.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

You guys just watch, what I said about the prologue will turn out to be true. Just watch!

 

[Brother Jack]

Not really, there was this idea of "Gotham: As Two Worlds" sort of thing.

Or A Tale of Two Cities.

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

lol @ Riddler.

We are getting a much better film since he isn't in it. I did not want another crime drama.

 

[Polaris23]

I won't repost that comic cover photo again, but that issue was freaking great. The cover/interiors artist is quickly one of my favourites.

 

[The_Raganork]

Or A Tale of Two Cities.

yeah, I didn't want to reference a Tale of Two Cities.

 

[Yurka]

Not really, there was this idea of "Gotham: As Two Worlds" sort of thing.

Living in the depressive Gotham from day to day and the people trying to crawl their way out.

My source was just speculating but he said something like:

"I bet Bane climbing out that well is going to be a visual for the whole film. Bane and the well, Batman and his obligations, Catwoman and the side she chooses to be on. Gothamites in Gotham, everyone trying to desperately crawl out of the well to the light."

I openly hugged him and praised him after that. I LOVE the idea.

Very cool.

I'm starting to lean towards Bane's "origin" being the prologue, the public needs to be introduced to him.

 

[The_Raganork]

If you say so. I thought he was pretty brutal myself. The thugs and henchmen seemed afraid of him and other than the Joker he practically owned Arkham City with his museum. For a while he even had a certain cold hearted individual on a leash.

The Penguin: Pain and Prejudice is also fantastic as well.

Haters gonna hate.

All told through the image of him screaming and barking cliched orders around the place and doing nothing himself.

I can write a character like that too. I'll do it with Scareface.

"HEY YOU GOONS SHOOT THAT BAT RIGHT DERE!"

*bang*

there...now he's as menacing and interesting as Penguin in AC.

Screaming doesn't create depth.

 

[The Joker]

Yes, yes it is. I wouldn't want 2.5 hours of Riddles.

Please explain how Riddler's obsession with riddles make him a poor man's Joker. I cannot make the connection. They are two different breeds of villain altogether.

It's not that I dislike The Penguin, but I just don't see him as main villain material.

Penguin has been one of Batman's leading villains for decades. With a proper script he can easily be a main villain.

I won't repost that comic cover photo again, but that issue was freaking great. The cover/interiors artist is quickly one of my favourites.

Ditto.

One of the best Batman comics I've read in ages.

 

[Dark Knight]

guys, don't blame thread manager. It's nolan.

That's the one question i asked him when i met him, who is thread manager?

He said without hesitation,"it is i."

lol!

 

[Hype_the_Hero]

Very cool.

I'm starting to lean towards Bane's "origin" being the prologue, the public needs to be introduced to him.

Will no doubt about it be Bane's origin, for the exact reason you stated. The people NEED to know who he is and what he's capable of and that's what the prologue will show.

 

[Spideyfan93]

It's too late now, why is there a debacle on villain choices?

There will be time to worry about villains in a couple years.

 

[RedSkull]

Here are some rumors I've heard in some places

Spoiler

Bane is a successful villain. He comes into Gotham with a plan executes it and stops anyone who tries to stop him. He's tactical and smart he knows who to apply pressure to and who to get rid of however he has a short fuse and when Batman begins to gain the upper hand Bane resorts to drastic measures.

The device, whatever it is, GOES OFF at some point and destroys a massive part of Gotham State and cripples the entire city. Law enforcement is useless against it and in fear of another attack in other major cities or in Gotham again people are quiet about trying to stop Bane head on. This leads to a depressive state in Gotham where fear of the machine and Bane's use of it keeps Gotham in line.

Gotham becomes what it was pre-BB and Catwoman is somewhat of a mirror of Joe Chill. Desperate, she resorts to crime to get what she wants and in a critical moment she has to decide whether to let her desperation get to her like Chill or to use her desperation for something else. we know what she chooses...or do we?

Spoiler

Tate is Talia.

Spoiler

John Blake is a rookie cop but with a deep affiliation with Gotham, someone struggling to make a difference after the death of Harvey Dent spurs Gotham into trying to do well for itself; this means hunting Batman but Gordon serves as a psuedo-anchor for Blake but when he's taken out of the picture Blake is thrown into a situation where he has to make choices on his own and decide how and when to fight against Bane and what it means to be a Gothamite

Spoiler

Gordon is a major player in this film. Akin to what Palpatine's part in ROTS was compared to the other films

Again I can't verify any of these and most of this you probably heard, just wanting to share what's going around the mill

Three of those I've heard as well, so I'm guessing they are probably true.

 

[The Joker]

Three of those I've heard as well, so I'm guessing they are probably true.

Which three did you hear?

 

[Steyin]

Someone spotted Catwoman from one of the pics:

For the love of....there is NO catwoman, that is an area I cleaned up with the stamp tool in Photoshop from my crew-edited manip.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Please explain how Riddler's obsession with riddles make him a poor man's Joker. I cannot make the connection. They are two different breeds of villain altogether.

In what sense? They are both flamboyant characters who engage in unorthodox tactics to satisfy their jollies. One utilizes twisted jokes and pranks while the other implements riddles.

Granted, there are differences beneath the surface, however, The Riddler and his egotistical riddles are dull.

Penguin has been one of Batman's leading villains for decades. With a proper script he can easily be a main villain.

Possibly, but I've never been a big fan of the character.

Pain & Prejudice was a dark and emotional arc but it didn't do enough to convince me that Oswald was a villain capable of holding his own compared to villains such as Ra's, The Joker, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, The Black Mask, etc.

 

[Yurka]

Please explain how Riddler's obsession with riddles make him a poor man's Joker. I cannot make the connection. They are two different breeds of villain altogether.

In the comics they are completely different, but the way the Joker was portrayed in TDK, some of the things he did (Ferry detonators) seemed very Riddler to me. For the Riddler to be an intriguing villain on screen he would have to be playing similar mind-games with people lives on the line. Riddles used to prove his intelligence over Batmans just wouldn't make captivating cinema IMO, you need those thrilling action sequences.

 

[The Joker]

In what sense? They are both flamboyant characters who engage in unorthodox tactics to satisfy their jollies.

You just described 90% of Batman's rogues gallery there lol.

Granted, there are differences beneath the surface, however, The Riddler and his egotistical riddles are dull.

There's lots of differences. Can you see the Riddler doing anything like the evil kind of antics Joker did in TDK (burning money, trying to break Harvey Dent, hanging corpses from windows, terrorizing a copycat Batman on live TV, attacking Cop cars with a bazooka etc), or having any of the same kind of goals Joker had in TDK?

No, they're two different kinds of characters. I'll tell you before Bane was cast, Riddler was the fan favorite for being in the third movie.

Possibly, but I've never been a big fan of the character.

Well that's a personal preference. But the point is he can be main villain material.

Pain & Prejudice was a dark and emotional arc but it didn't do enough to convince me that Oswald was a villain capable of holding his own compared to villains such as Ra's, The Joker, Two-Face, Mr. Freeze, The Black Mask, etc.

There's not much Oswald cannot do in Gotham City, and unlike most of the aforementioned villains, Oswald can do it and avoid incarceration.

 

[The Joker]

In the comics they are completely different, but the way the Joker was portrayed in TDK, some of the things he did (Ferry detonators) seemed very Riddler to me.

If Riddler did that, they would have to solve a riddle of some kind to avoid getting blown up. The Joker's was about them blowing each other up just to prove they are all like him deep down. I don't see anything very Riddler about it.

For the Riddler to be an intriguing villain on screen he would have to be playing similar mind-games with people lives on the line. Riddles used to prove his intelligence over Batmans just wouldn't make captivating cinema IMO, you need those thrilling action sequences.

Scarecrow and Two Face didn't provide any thrilling action set pieces in Begins and TDK. So the mentality that a Batman villain must be able to do that is nonsense. This isn't Spider-Man where the villain has to be able to go toe to toe in a climatic battle.

Cerebral villains like Riddler are right up Nolan's alley.

 

[Octoberist]

I do have to say that Riddler would be a decent villain but because he deals with riddles with games, and Joker dealt with challenges/games for chaos, it DOES retrend some familiar ground. To a certain degree because you're dealing with mind games and city wide obstacle course with a different twist per character.

It's like how I think Mad Hatter is kind of similar to Scarecrow. Beyond their obvious visual and themed difference, when you get o the bottom line, they fall into the same bracket.

I'm sure you can make it work and still make it fresh though but I'm happy that we got Bane. It was unexpected.

 

[Fudgie]

In the comics they are completely different, but the way the Joker was portrayed in TDK, some of the things he did (Ferry detonators) seemed very Riddler to me. For the Riddler to be an intriguing villain on screen he would have to be playing similar mind-games with people lives on the line. Riddles used to prove his intelligence over Batmans just wouldn't make captivating cinema IMO, you need those thrilling action sequences.

Riddler doesn't play mind games. He just gives out riddles.

Bane is gonna feel like a retread of Ra's Al Ghul because he's using a destructive device to wreck Gotham.

 

[The_Raganork]

Except the most minor part of Ra's was the Microwave Emitter.

He's so much more than the sum of the last 30 minutes he's in. Even when they're right in front of the Microwave emitter, it isn't about the Microwave emitter

 

[Yurka]

If Riddler did that, they would have to solve a riddle of some kind to avoid getting blown up. The Joker's was about them blowing each other up just to prove they are all like him deep down.

Right, but the situation was a twisted mind-**** and could have been made into some demented riddle "Riddle me this: Are criminals or civilians more ruthless? blah blah..."

Scarecrow and Two Face didn't provide any thrilling action set pieces in Begins and TDK. So the mentality that a Batman villain must be able to do that is nonsense. This isn't Spider-Man where the villain has to be able to go toe to toe in a climatic battle.

Cerebral villains like Riddler are right up Nolan's alley.

They were just supporting villains though and didn't need to be the major threat. I agree cerebral villains are Nolan's M.O., but these are superhero action/drama films primarily marketed to the teenage market. They enjoy things that go boom, not elaborate mind games. I've just never gotten the sense that Riddler is a truly threatening villain that could carry his own film, the way the way he's depicted in the comics. Lives have to be at stake, there has to be a real sense of danger, and the way I would think of doing a Nolan Riddler, would be very similar to the way they portrayed the Joker.

 

[The_Raganork]

Riddler finds and abducts Jim Gordon and host a series of games The Dark Knight must play in order to save Gordon's life. Meanwhile Gotham suffers from a lack of authority and finds itself on the brink of madness. Batman must find a way to keep Gotham under control and save the life of Jim Gordon before the end of the game

Adapted on to the screen I think this could work but, it would require some re-working of the traditional Riddler

 

[Polaris23]

For the love of....there is NO catwoman, that is an area I cleaned up with the stamp tool in Photoshop from my crew-edited manip.

lol gotta love how crazy Hypesters get sometimes, always assuming little specs of dust are characters (remember people thought Scarecrow was on top of the building in that "Welcome to a world without rules" TDK poster?)