Official Cyclops/marsden Thread

What Will Cyclops' Fate Be In X3?

  • Dies At Alkali Lake

  • Never Faces A Life-Threatening Situation

  • Supposedly Dies Early But Returns In The Final Battle

  • Dies In The Final Battle

  • Goes On Sabbatical (after Alkali Lake)


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Really did actually look at X-men the first movie??..Ha he was flying the jet...and was the only that was a thorn in wolverine side ...All x3 did was just show great potential.....then just took it all away
 
^I agree the X-jet was cool! But other than that, he wasn't quite Cyclops-ish. I still really don't like the "stay away from my girl" speach, which is sad because that's the most amount of lines he's been given. The rest of X1 and X2 make him look like a stiff, a real no-funner kind of guy.

James said that Bryan told him that Scott was a boyscout, and that's what he wanted James to act like, and that's pretty much all his character came to - a boyscout.

At the beggining of X3 we see Scott - looking pretty cool, riding the bike- and I thought to myself "finally the real Cyclops. He gave quite an emotion preformance and it really gave depth to both his character and his relationship with Jean. The only problem is that it was quite short.

And I loved that whole alkali lake scene. I know alot of people were mad because we don't actually see Jean rising, but I loved the vagueness and subtly. And the infirmary scene built on to that.
 
Well heres a subtle little sex scene for Scotty boy and Emma.

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My Red Sight said:
^I agree the X-jet was cool! But other than that, he was quite a dink sometimes. I still really don't like the "stay away from my girl" speach, which is sad because that's the most amount of lines he's been given. The rest of X1 and X2 make him look like a stiff, a real no-funner kind of guy.
Exactly how Cyclpps is....he not a cool person although the movies did soft him up but it was to make him appealing....Dink really?...I really think you need to look at the first two movies again.....and I'm serious..LOL..he had a small role but I loved all of it in the first two...The first two where the best Cyclops...this movie was good but not enough...What X3 lost the interaction between logan and Scott.....with other half gone it doesn't work out quite well.....
X1-
Wolverine:I wasn't the one who blew the ruff off at the station
Cyclops: No you were the one that Stab rogue..priceless...

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xii22_loop ...thats the scene reminds me of my Avatar..Ha ha...nice pic though
 
I here people saying that Scott didn't have much of a role in X1, that he was shown to be a poor leader and tactician, that everyone else was coming up with plans and strategies, that he was being talked back to and contradicted. I just rewatched X1 and I strongly disagree:

Scott's first appearance, he releases Rogue from her harness with a well placed blast and then saves Wolverine while Storm essentially provides cover and keeps Sabertooth at bay. Back at the mansion after Wolverine roughs him up and shows his Resentment Cyclops has a conversation with him that lets Wolverine know that Cyclops doesn't take crap from anyone and manages to get the last word. W He's clearly concerned about his team and what consequences might happen if Wolverine proves wild and unpredictable in combat, same with his ability to follow orders in a combat situation. hen Xavier goes under and into a Coma, Cyclops is there watching over him, and promising that if something should happen, he'll "take care of them".One of my fav scenes. Nice way to show the man is ready to step up to the task and carry the burden, if necessary. After Jean tells him where Magneto is going, Cyclops figures out Magneto's plan. Cyclops is the one that comes up with the strategy for how to infiltrate Liberty Island. Cyclops is the captain of the jet and coordinates the others in their use of powers (such as Storm giving them cloud cover).
He's fairly good at combat and definitely an expert shot with his visor. He's temporarily knocked out by Toad and separated from the team, but when he revises and gets pissed off, he makes short work of blasting that door away and rejoining the action. When Jean is suffocating from Toad's deadly spit, Cyclops saves her, again with a well placed, precise optic shot. He's not afraid of Magneto and stand up to him. Ordering Storm to blast him with lightning wasn't so much of a bad tactical decision as it was to show Magneto they're willing to do whatever it takes to stop him. Plus being in a copper faraday cage, they would have been protected from the lightning. The only time when he wasn't involved in strategy planning was when Jean came up with the idea to hover his visor in front of him and use it to deflect the beams to blast Sabretooth.
Towards the end of the battle, unlike what some people thought, it was actually Cyclops who came up with the idea to have Storm levitate him so he could get close enough to Magneto's rotating machine to blast it and stop it. It was at this point that Wolverine suggested levitating himself instead, the reason being that if Wolverine failed to stop the machine, at least Cyclops would be around and would have a second chance to blast and destroy the machine. Cyclops agreed and then coordinated the effort, himself coming up with the idea that Jean assist Storm in helping to stabilize Wolverine's flight. And when Wolverine was held in place by Magneto, Cyclops once again used his expert shooting skills (despite Jean's initial concern, which he overrided) and made another well placed shot that knocked Magneto out and allowed Wolverine to finish the job.
Far as I can tell, this was a nice presentation of leadership as well as coordination and teamwork, and to me it seems like Cyclops did a pretty good job.
 
Mike059jig said:
Exactly how Cyclpps is....he not a cool person although the movies did soft him up but it was to make him appealing....Dink really?...I really think you need to look at the first two movies again.....and I'm serious..LOL..he had a small role but I loved all of it in the first two...The first two where the best Cyclops...this movie was good but not enough...What X3 lost the interaction between these..with other half gone it doesn't work out quite well.....

Wolverine:I wasn't the one who blew the ruff off at the station
Cyclops: No you were the one that Stab rogue..priceless...

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xii22_loop ...thats the scene before my Avatar..Ha ha...nice pic though

Ha! Yeah, dink was the wrong word to use, I don't feel that way. *edit*

I know Cyclops is the serious type, in my opinion X1 didn't do the personality right. I don't know. But I do agree, his leadership was well brought out in X1, at least one character trait was brought out. I thought X2 did a better job, showing he cared for Jean at the mueseum, and his emotion at the end, but he didn't have a big part.

I guess each movie portrayed him with about the same amount of faithfullness, some things faithful, and some things wrong.
 
in my X1 didn't do him right
You just woke me up agian and I can't sleep.....Please Elaborate:confused:...his biggest role in all the movies and you don't like it :( ..I take and run with it :up:
 
My Red Sight said:
I know Cyclops is the serious type, in my opinion X1 didn't do the personality right. I don't know.

I thought it came pretty close. He was serious when necessary but otherwise tried to be pleasant and friendly. To Logan, to that kid at the station. The more serious and dark side and hes fears and why he's so uptight are areas that could have been explored later. Perhaps having him explain why he considers himself so dangerous and why he's always so extra careful, like his instinctive way to always check whether he's wearing his glasses when waking up before opening his eyes, etc. Little touches but it would score some bonus points.
But I do agree, his leadership was well brought out in X1, at least one character trait was brought out. I thought X2 did a better job, showing he cared for Jean at the mueseum, and his emotion at the end, but he didn't have a big part.
I don't feel too bad about him not having a big part in X2. I suppose it has to happen to every character. Someone had to be the one who is captured and it was Cyclops' turn that week (they probably do a raffle). But when he did come back he did a good job, and seeing his concern for Jean, then the despair when he knew he was going to lose her, and the anguish at the President's office put me in tears as well. It was wondorful to see him shed tears of joy in X3 and be vindicated, at least if only for a little while...

I guess each movie portrayed him with about the same amount of faithfullness, some things faithful, and some things wrong.

My only frustration is that we're being starved for material. That what we got is all there is, and there probably won't be anymore
 
He just came off different than the comics - cocky! I think that's the word. The whole "My girl speach" seemed like something Scott wouldn't say. "I have Jean and you don't, SHE'S MINE!!!" Is kind of what I thought it sounded like. I think Scott would have treated Jean like a person, not property like that. And than at the end when they're watching T.V he swears. Lol, I don't know why but that seemed rather "not cyclops-ish" to me. I don't see cyclops as a hot tempered loud mouth kind of person, which is kind of what the line showed.

Mystique's senator Kelly. Son of A *****...Just seemed wrong.

But there are parts that I liked his character. The train station is one of my favorite parts of the movie.

I guess I'm just divided about how the character was treated through out the trilogy.
 
I'm watching the special features in X-men 1.5 tonight. I haven't really studied the first one (just the second one and third). So, I'm not really that educated on what the character was going for, so I need to look at that, and maybe 1.5 will give me some extra info on movie-verse character.
 
My Red Sight said:
He just came off different than the comics - cocky! I think that's the word. The whole "My girl speach" seemed like something Scott wouldn't say.

Well not quite like that. Remember it wasn't Cyclops that started it.

Logan: "Aren't you going to tell me to stay away from your girl?"
Cyclops: "If I had to do that, she wouldn't be my girl"

Implying that he's secure in his relationship with her and that he isn't guarding her or keeping a leash on her. He trusts her and doesn't have to hover over her.

he didn't say something like "you look at her again and I'll kill you" :)

It's not until the final conversation when Logan insults him again (better played out if you watch the deleted scene) that Cyclops uses the "stay away from my girl" as a rebuttal to Logan. His equivalent of giving the guy the finger. Reminding Logan that he's on Cyclops' turf while at the mansion and Scott's not gonna take crap from this guy on his turf.

that I liked his character. The train station is one of my favorite parts of the movie.
It shows his vulnerability nicely. His weapon can be turned around and exploited and why Scott has to be so extra extra careful every moment of his life
 
^And when the kid smiles at him, and Scott smiles back. Loved that moment.

ntcrawler said:
Well not quite like that. Remember it wasn't Cyclops that started it.

Logan: "Aren't you going to tell me to stay away from your girl?"
Cyclops: "If I had to do that, she wouldn't be my girl"

But at the end of that descussion he says: "Oh, yeah, and stay away from my girl." I would have liked the verbal throwbacks between Logan and Scott if the script didn't add that last part. Totally took away from him saying "If I had to do that, she wouldn't be my girl." And than he strolls away to his bedroom with Jean, thinking highly of himself.

I think I'm giving the wrong impression here. I love Cyclops' character and I love movie-verse Cyclops. It's just he could have been done differently in certain parts and details, much like how I feel about the Phoenix saga.
 
X1 is the only movie that did a little justice to such a great character (Cyclops). X2 Showed what great actor James is, and X3 is just toilet paper as far as I'm concerned.
 
My Red Sight said:
He just came off different than the comics - cocky! I think that's the word. The whole "My girl speach" seemed like something Scott wouldn't say. "I have Jean and you don't, SHE'S MINE!!!" Is kind of what I thought it sounded like. I think Scott would have treated Jean like a person, not property like that. And than at the end when they're watching T.V he swears. Lol, I don't know why but that seemed rather "not cyclops-ish" to me. I don't see cyclops as a hot tempered loud mouth kind of person, which is kind of what the line showed.
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That's one of the many stereotypes Hollywood likes to use... make you like somebody by making his or her rival a complete jerk. The sad part is, some people are so dumb, it works. You know how every time Reese Witherspoon is stuck between two guys, one is always perfect, charming, and unlikely, while the other is materialistic and mean? Same thing.
 
larryfilmmaker said:
That's one of the many stereotypes Hollywood likes to use... make you like somebody by making his or her rival a complete jerk. The sad part is, some people are so dumb, it works. You know how every time Reese Witherspoon is stuck between two guys, one is always perfect, charming, and unlikely, while the other is materialistic and mean? Same thing.

Not really... I find Scott likeable in x-1. It's x-2 where things began going down hill for him.
 
CapBeerCino said:
Not really... I find Scott likeable in x-1. It's x-2 where things began going down hill for him.

read the critics' reviews of the X-Men movies (the critics who DON'T know what X-Men is or was before the movies) and most of them consider Cyke either whiny, arrogant, insecure, or all of the above. The one that sticks out now is the recent review of X3 at aintitcool... one of the dudes who didn't know squat abotu X-Men called him a "whiny deuschbag" or something. Marsden himself claimed he played the uptight guy that was just there for Wolverine to make fun of. Hollywood dumbs things down a bit... wait, no... a LOT.
 
UraniaChang said:
X3 is more like a nightmare to me.

It was a nightmare to Scott too. He must have been really thrashing in his bed. First he sees Jean come back and kill him, then she's making out with Logan, and then she blows everything up and Logan stabs and kills her. That should have sent him sitting bolt up right, panting and screaming her name and covered in sweat!
 
ntcrawler said:
It was a nightmare to Scott too. He must have been really thrashing in his bed. First he sees Jean come back and kill him, then she's making out with Logan, and then she blows everything up and Logan stabs and kills her. That should have sent him sitting bolt up right, panting and screaming her name and covered in sweat!

And then went to find Logan, blasted him through the window, eliminated the threat?
 
larryfilmmaker said:
read the critics' reviews of the X-Men movies (the critics who DON'T know what X-Men is or was before the movies) and most of them consider Cyke either whiny, arrogant, insecure, or all of the above. The one that sticks out now is the recent review of X3 at aintitcool... one of the dudes who didn't know squat abotu X-Men called him a "whiny deuschbag" or something. Marsden himself claimed he played the uptight guy that was just there for Wolverine to make fun of. Hollywood dumbs things down a bit... wait, no... a LOT.

I never read a critic review refering to a single character (not that I can remember at least) and I think that some parts in x-1 did show Scott in a positive light (i.e- the promise he made to Xavier, the way Logan flips him the claw and he just smiles back not stooping to his level, the way he saves the day by blasting Mags...)

I think things went wrong in x-2 when already at the beginning he's waaay too emo out of the blue in the museum ("I love you I won't let anything happen to you" - that line and the way it was delivered got me annoyed) then he loses to a lady that Logan ends up fighting (and winning) and worst, he has nothing to do with saving the day. (Storm saved the world in cerebro, Jean saves the jet, Nightcrawler saves the kids - what did Cyke do? Blast his gf? Ruined the dam?)
 
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