First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull - Part 6/6/44

[Galactus123]

I wanna see scene like this

Just replace Indy with Steve Rogers. t:

 

[Wolvieboy17]

"Jah, you seem to check out, Herr Imanazi. You may enter."

"Thank you"

"Hey, vaaaaaait a minute. Vy are you vearingk the blue suit vith the american colours?"

"Oh, well you see, the reason for that....is right.....HERE! *KLANG*"

 

[kedrell]

I think basically there is a much more practical way in which HYDRA functions as villains. We know they are grounded, or got there start as a branch of the Nazi party, but with the power struggle within (RS wanting power) Hydra breaking off from the Nazi's allows them to continue to appear in the future as an organisation that still exists. It would be harder to do that with Nazi's, since we know they were beaten. Whatever Nazi supporters would still exist, it's not realistic to expect they have armies etc in present day.

Hydra, on the other hand...

Well if we want to really get comics accurate, then didn't Hydra actually pre-date the Nazis? It was a subversive ancient secret society(based somewhat on real secret societies in our world) in the comics that happened to join the Nazis when they eventually came along due to them both having similar goals and ideals.

I don't know if the movie will address this aspect or not but it'd be a nice easter egg if RS or somebody would mention it in a passing line or whatever. It'd also help make more sense that Hydra would not die even should the Nazis lose the war(which is what happened).

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well if we want to really get comics accurate, then didn't Hydra actually pre-date the Nazis? It was a subversive ancient secret society(based somewhat on real secret societies in our world) in the comics that happened to join the Nazis when they eventually came along due to them both having similar goals and ideals.

I don't know if the movie will address this aspect or not but it'd be a nice easter egg if RS or somebody would mention it in a passing line or whatever. It'd also help make more sense that Hydra would not die even should the Nazis lose the war(which is what happened).

They LOST? Oh crap, I should burn my swastika...

 

[kedrell]

They LOST? Oh crap, I should burn my swastika...

Just keep your octopus symbol. It's gonna have a longer shelf-life.t:

But seriously, I think it'd be good to point out(in the movie) that while Hydra is an arm of the Nazi machine, they are also apart from it historically speaking since they've been surviving for centuries.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well I think they will. They've said that Hydra has completely different motives.

 

[kedrell]

Well I think they will. They've said that Hydra has completely different motives.

Well I hope not completely different. After all, there was a reason that they came out of the shadows to join with the Nazis in the first place.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Well yeah, presumably to use them and their resources for their own evil purposes.

 

[Vartha]

Well I think they will. They've said that Hydra has completely different motives.

heh Elsa had completely different motives in Last Crusade too. t:

 

[Michael Frost]

You really think a t-shirt with a swatstika is going to sell or even put in a store?

You're talking about merchadising when I was talking about the Nazi being used in modern fiction without it being seen as offensive. Hellboy is a good example of a comic book movie that uses the Nazi as the initial antagonists.

 

[Silvermoth]

Exactly! I can't believe this is even an issue! Let's replace Cap's costume with regular fatigues while we're at it. Just enjoy seeing these guys brought to the big screen. I never thought I'd see Hydra on the big screen. Next people will be saying The Ten Rings should have been the Taliban and The Mandarin should be Osama Bin Laden. Just...enjoy the comic book goodness.

There's definetly a problem with comic book movies being too silly and fluffy though. What if Afghanistan was renamed 'Derkaderkastan' and Tony's alcoholism was referred to as 'Tony receiving medication from Auntie Boozer'

 

[Michael Frost]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/127131-there-will-be-nazis-in-captain-america

Why this was even a concern for some people blows my mind...

 

[Vile]

Indeed.

 

[Silvermoth]

http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/127131-there-will-be-nazis-in-captain-america

Why this was even a concern for some people blows my mind...

well, it is a World War II movie.

Of course, this was confirmed months ago

 

[redhawk23]

as will Cap, probably, but like Hellboy, I'm sure the mass-produced merch won't have the swastika proudly emblazoned on it.

And is that really a problem, I mean is really that bad for a Red Skull action figure to have a hydra emblem instead of a swastika?

 

[captainrogers]

And is that really a problem, I mean is really that bad for a Red Skull action figure to have a hydra emblem instead of a swastika?

Not at all! Just pointing that out to the people who almost seem to have been jumping to the conclusion that Nazis do not exist in film Cap's world simply because they have not seen a swastika in any shots yet.

 

[kedrell]

Not at all! Just pointing that out to the people who almost seem to have been jumping to the conclusion that Nazis do not exist in film Cap's world simply because they have not seen a swastika in any shots yet.

Well that and that we also haven't seen any tradtional looking Nazi uniforms either(other than that latest high rez pic of RS in his trenchcoat & cap).

 

[Silvermoth]

ha! Well, it's like I always say...

 

[Wolvieboy17]

Tell that to all the other people who have lead the Avengers are aren't from 1942 :P

 

[Silvermoth]

It's a riff on 'The Social Network' poster, you're overthinking it.

 

[Darkness Falls]

Nice

 

[Spider-Fan]

People who thought there wouldn't be Nazis were foolish. Clearly, I am not shocked they're confirmed. Nor that Hydra is part of the Reich. I even called that happening. What do I win?

 

[Michael Frost]

You don't win stuff for calling out things that are already in the comics...

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I reckon Hulk will be in the Avengers.... Whadoiwin, eh?EH?

 

[Michael Frost]

Not a chance!