First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull - Part 6/6/44

[Michael Frost]

i know hydra is a secret nazi organization but the hydra logo isn't as intimidating as a swastika

Because the swastika logo relies solely on we already knowing what it represents. It's based on pre-knowledge from the viewer's part.

It's up to them to make us fear Hydra as much as the Nazi symbol by showing us how evil they truly are.

 

[Galactus123]

If they won't show swastika, it means that they are too scared to show it. It is stupid because this movie isn't just for children. Of course they don't have to show it all time but even once.

 

[WillardNation]

Well we know that there's a scene of Red Skull experimenting on Nazi (not Hydra) soldiers, so.....

 

[Silvermoth]

I'm still not really sure if that scene will work. The last thing you want this movie to do is say "hey, if you think nazis are bad WAIT TIL YOU GET A LOAD OF THESE GUYS!"

That would be quite offensive. If they can't deal with what World War II is about then they may as well not make the movie at all.

That said, I have heard nazis will definetly appear at the start which leads to conflict with Steve so I think Marvel gets it.

 

[JAK®]

I'm still not really sure if that scene will work. The last thing you want this movie to do is say "hey, if you think nazis are bad WAIT TIL YOU GET A LOAD OF THESE GUYS!"

That would be quite offensive. If they can't deal with what World War II is about then they may as well not make the movie at all.

That said, I have heard nazis will definetly appear at the start which leads to conflict with Steve so I think Marvel gets it.

Some people would say that having a fictional character fight in a real war where millions of real people died is offensive.

(I wouldn't say so, personally)

I really don't think it's about shying away from Nazis, but more about expanding the Marvel universe. I mean, we're getting HYDRA on the big screen. Shouldn't fans be happy?

 

[Brian Braddock]

You'd think so, wouldnt you?

I know I am - it's freakin' HYDRA for Pete's sake. Up there .... on the big screen. Fighting Cap.

How can anyone not be jazzed by that?

Anyways, to anyone who think's the idea of using HYDRA instead of Nazis is somehow offensive to history - it's no different to using the Red Skull instead of Hitler.

 

[Silvermoth]

It's entirely different. The Red Skull is not being used in lieu of Hitler. The two exist together. Using Hydra in lieu of the nazis makes this film seem to fluffy and nice for a film set in one of the most brutal and defining eras in history.

 

[Darkness Falls]

in the tv spot is it supposed to be hitler in that submarine ?

 

[JAK®]

It's entirely different. The Red Skull is not being used in lieu of Hitler. The two exist together. Using Hydra in lieu of the nazis makes this film seem to fluffy and nice for a film set in one of the most brutal and defining eras in history.

Except we don't know if Hydra is being used "in lieu of the Nazis". We have no idea of the extent the Nazis will be used.

 

[Silvermoth]

in the tv spot is it supposed to be hitler in that submarine ?

Of course that's not Hitler. It's Heinz Kugler, the nazi spy involved in Operation Rebirth. Richard Armitage doesn't even look like Hitler.

Except we don't know if Hydra is being used "in lieu of the Nazis". We have no idea of the extent the Nazis will be used.

Precisely. As in my post before I mentioned that nazis will play a role in the movie. I meant in my second post that reducing the nazis as a threat for a comic book blockbuster would be a very silly and pointless mistake.

 

[Michael Frost]

There's quite a few movies (some are even based on comics) that pull off the Nazi threat without it feeling cartoonish.

Besides, we don't need to have Schindler's Lists everytime the Nazi are part of the plot. You're pretty much narrowing yourself down just because it's a cruel event of our history.

I mean, Tarantino used the Nazi threat, completly flipped it on it's head and made what is one of his best movies.

 

[Darkness Falls]

Of course that's not Hitler. It's Heinz Kugler, the nazi spy involved in Operation Rebirth. Richard Armitage doesn't even look like Hitler.
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my bad to be fair it's kind of a blink and you'll miss it shot so its easy to make a mistake my eyes must've been seeing things

 

[Iron_Stark]

There's quite a few movies (some are even based on comics) that pull off the Nazi threat without it feeling cartoonish.

Besides, we don't need to have Schindler's Lists everytime the Nazi are part of the plot. You're pretty much narrowing yourself down just because it's a cruel event of our history.

I mean, Tarantino used the Nazi threat, completly flipped it on it's head and made what is one of his best movies.

Tarantino wasn't making a PG-13 summer blockbuster that was going to have merchandising, videogames and toys.

This isn't the 80s when movies like Robocop, Toxic Avenger and others were R-rated that showed nudity, violence and cursing had cartoons and toylines. We're not in that era anymore.

You really think a t-shirt with a swatstika is going to sell or even put in a store?

 

[redhawk23]

Tarantino wasn't making a PG-13 summer blockbuster that was going to have merchandising, videogames and toys.

This isn't the 80s when movies like Robocop, Toxic Avenger and others were R-rated that showed nudity, violence and cursing had cartoons and toylines. We're not in that era anymore.

You really think a t-shirt with a swatstika is going to sell or even put in a store?

Hellboy had nazis.

 

[Timstuff]

If they won't show swastika, it means that they are too scared to show it. It is stupid because this movie isn't just for children. Of course they don't have to show it all time but even once.

It's probably for marketing reasons. It would be a PR nightmare if Hasbro were to make nazi action figures that had actual swastikas on them, and rather than simply leave the swastikas off of the toys Marvel chose to have an in-universe reason for the swastika to have a minimal presence throughout the film.

 

[Vartha]

Raiders of the lost ark and Last Crusade had Nazis too WHY are we on this again?
What is so wrong about Hydra being the scientific arm?

 

[Spider-Fan]

I predict Hydra will have some affiliation with the Nazis.

 

[Vartha]

It's probably for marketing reasons. It would be a PR nightmare if Hasbro were to make nazi action figures that had actual swastikas on them, and rather than simply leave the swastikas off of the toys Marvel chose to have an in-universe reason for the swastika to have a minimal presence throughout the film.

I doubt THAT will happen since Hydra is the ones in the movie that Cap is fighting for the most part.
Hydra is on the uniforms as far as I've seen, but still, if it needs explaining to some point that Hydra's a branch of the Nazi's what is wrong with that?

 

[WildcatNC]

I predict Hydra will have some affiliation with the Nazis.

You just may be right.

 

[captainrogers]

Hellboy had nazis.

as will Cap, probably, but like Hellboy, I'm sure the mass-produced merch won't have the swastika proudly emblazoned on it.

 

[Savage]

You'd think so, wouldnt you?

I know I am - it's freakin' HYDRA for Pete's sake. Up there .... on the big screen. Fighting Cap.

How can anyone not be jazzed by that?

Anyways, to anyone who think's the idea of using HYDRA instead of Nazis is somehow offensive to history - it's no different to using the Red Skull instead of Hitler.

Exactly! I can't believe this is even an issue! Let's replace Cap's costume with regular fatigues while we're at it. Just enjoy seeing these guys brought to the big screen. I never thought I'd see Hydra on the big screen. Next people will be saying The Ten Rings should have been the Taliban and The Mandarin should be Osama Bin Laden. Just...enjoy the comic book goodness.

 

[kedrell]

Hellboy had nazis.

As did the PG Rocketeer.

 

[Wolvieboy17]

I think basically there is a much more practical way in which HYDRA functions as villains. We know they are grounded, or got there start as a branch of the Nazi party, but with the power struggle within (RS wanting power) Hydra breaking off from the Nazi's allows them to continue to appear in the future as an organisation that still exists. It would be harder to do that with Nazi's, since we know they were beaten. Whatever Nazi supporters would still exist, it's not realistic to expect they have armies etc in present day.

Hydra, on the other hand...

 

[WildcatNC]

As did the PG Rocketeer.

As does Cap. t:

 

[JAK®]

I think basically there is a much more practical way in which HYDRA functions as villains. We know they are grounded, or got there start as a branch of the Nazi party, but with the power struggle within (RS wanting power) Hydra breaking off from the Nazi's allows them to continue to appear in the future as an organisation that still exists. It would be harder to do that with Nazi's, since we know they were beaten. Whatever Nazi supporters would still exist, it's not realistic to expect they have armies etc in present day.

Hydra, on the other hand...

Yeah, that's basically it in a nutshell.