First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull

[Jumpin' Jack]

That drawing Is really good. Very cool costume.

 

[DJ Kornphlake]

I don't remember the Red Skull being an amputee?

His arm is behind his back.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I've always liked this for live action:

I love this

 

[Rich Santoro]

I like the idea that when Erskine is killed, and a portion of the SSS is stolen... Skull is the initial test recipient in the Reich. But without the entire formula / process, he undergoes the same mutation process that Blonsky did in TIH (where his spine was protruding and he started looking gaunt). The idea is, that if Blonsky didn't take another treatment, and go full Abomination, he would have ended up with disfigurements looking like the Red Skull.

Additionally, this increases Skull's madness... and actually makes him super human rather than peak human (Blonsky seemed depicted beyond peak human). That makes him a tough heads-up challenge for Cap in a final fight scene, and could be the reason that he is still alive over 6 decades later.

 

[Dog Brother #1]

Mark Strong for Red Skull.

 

[Keyser Soze]

Mark Strong for Red Skull.

NICE casting choice! Though him being the villain in Kick-Ass might hurt his chances.

 

[Dog Brother #1]

I doubt it. Kinda how Mickey Roarke being in Sin City or Scarlet being in The Spirit didn't stop them from being in IM2. As long as the Chracters are different, I don't see a conflict of interest.

 

[Betty Ross]

I like the Mark Strong idea, but I think Rufus Sewell would be a good choice too:

He's a fantastic actor who plays villains a lot of the time (The Illusionist, A Knight's Tale), and is pretty underrated.

 

[Dog Brother #1]

Agreed. I also think Sewell would make an awesome Dr. Doom.

 

[Rich Santoro]

I called from Sewell as Doom in the past... but he would be very solid as Skull.

 

[sabetoonth]

Thomas Kretschmann for The Red Skull

yes! he is good in all the movies ive seen him in.

what if they include the fact that there were 3 red skulls, an american turned nazi, the classic johann scmidt and a communist(ironic as hitler's regime was staunchly anti-communist)

 

[That person]

An idea I had was that the DoD was originally intended to be a SSS, but wound up killing people. The Red Skull was given a highly diluted formula, which deformed him badly, but made him stronger and immune to it. I like the idea of Benno Furmann (sp?) and this sort of design:

 

[protocida]

Rubber mask or deformed face, everyone?

 

[Webhead2006]

In the comics how has red skull usually be protrayed? mask or actual face?

 

[Rich Santoro]

I am leaning toward disfigured face, with the premise that he is the recipient of the incomplete SSS, and eventually mutates.

 

[protocida]

He starts with a mask and eventually gets disfigured.

 

[Brian Braddock]

How about rather than mutating like in the 1990 movie, the mask simply gets seared onto Skull's face somehow?

 

[Rich Santoro]

I just like the connection to Blonsky's mutation pre-abom. The way his spine protruded and he looked gaunt.

 

[Brian Braddock]

Actually, I never thought of that (I havent read all the thread). That's a nice bridge.

So effectively, are you proposing that the serum Blonsky took in TIH was the one (or one derived from the one) that Skull could have possibly took or do you propose that it's the same SSS as Cap's just without the vita-ray stablisation (which could possibly explain the mutation)?

 

[Rich Santoro]

^ Somewhere in there... The idea is that Skull got the incomplete formula (no vita-ray treatment). Blonsky got some off-shoot, derivative, re-formulated, or just similarly incomplete treatment as Skull did (TIH wasn't clear what the serum Ross pulled was... what it the same old one, or something based on the original???).

Either way, the effect would be a related one, and we would see them exhibit similar side-effects... Which would included super-human capacity rather than peak human (since Blonsky looked a bit above the curve in TIH), making a Skull cap show down pretty intense... also there is the skeletal mutation, and of course... madness.

Overall, the SSS is a great device for the development of heros and villains in the Marvel-Movie-verse. There can be bastardized formulas made by the Leader, by AIM, by the U.S. Military... that empowers any number of characters (Luke Cage, the U-Foes, Hammerhead, Wonder Man, Tombstone, The Rhino, etc...).

 

[Brian Braddock]

Agree completely there Rich.

I haveta say though, when I first saw TIH, I interpreted the serum given to Blonsky as Cap's SS serum simply because it was blue.



How lame is that for reasoning based of a visually superficial observation?

As you say though, I guess it's open to interpretation as it was [probably]deliberately very vague as to the exact origin of that particular serum.

 

[protocida]

Both used the incomplete version of the formula, without the Vita-Ray treatment. Blonsky would get as disfigured as Red Skull if he didn't mixed the formula with Bruce Banner's blood, ressulting a mutation that transformed him in Abomination! t:

 

[Brian Braddock]

Yeah, that's probably as simple as it gets - which is the best way to go for the GA to follow. Keep it all the one formula, but emphasize just how important the Vita-rays are to the whole process.

SSS + Vita Rays = Super Soldier (no defects)
SSS - Vita Rays = Super Soldier (insanity and probable skeletal mutation)
SSS - Vita Rays + unknown element = (oh S***)

 

[Brian Braddock]

Thinking on though, the serum was injected straight into Blonksy's bones (which obviously contributed to the skeletal mutation). I thought this puzzling at the time - I mean, why did they do that?

Is it medical procedure to administer serums and anti-toxins into the bones of a person for better gains? What happened to the old-fashioned needle in the shoulder?

Furthermore, does that mean that Cap would most likely be administered with the SSS in the same way? Or did the guys giving Blonsky the serum somehow reallly drop the ball by doing it wrong?

Question, questions, questions.................