First Avenger OFFICIAL: Hugo Weaving is Red Skull

[Rich Santoro]

Question, questions, questions.................

This is kind of why, I thought that the serum given to Blonsky was the product of addtional R&D that went on after WWII. The vita-ray information was lost, and the formula did not work as expected (there could be a dark past of cold-war era experiments gone wrong... again giving us a host of other characters, and plot lines), so the military kept working on it... Then as of TIH, they had to a particular formulation that called for the twin injections, including into the bone.

Who knows... maybe they will depict Cap as having gotten that kind of treatment as well (two injections, with a bone injection), and that is just how it is done (plus the vita-ray component, of course).

Again, I like the idea of Skull being mutated in response... linking to the Blonksy mutation. Even if the formulas used on Blonsky and Skull turn out to be slightly different, it can be that their mutations are slightly different, but similar (still a skeletal disfigurement, to some degree)... maybe Skull got a tweaked version after it was stolen, and it was injected into the base of his skull, causing the RED SKULL mutation... Lots of ways to tie this out.

But essentially, I agree with this as the basic theme:

SSS + Vita Rays = Super Soldier (no defects)
SSS - Vita Rays = Super Soldier (insanity and probable skeletal mutation)
SSS - Vita Rays + unknown element = (oh S***)

 

[Drakon]

Yeah, that's probably as simple as it gets - which is the best way to go for the GA to follow. Keep it all the one formula, but emphasize just how important the Vita-rays are to the whole process.

SSS + Vita Rays = Super Soldier (no defects)
SSS - Vita Rays = Super Soldier (insanity and probable skeletal mutation)
SSS - Vita Rays + unknown element = (oh S***)

Well, something else, too. Instead of using the Serum as the control, what about using the Vita Rays? Such as, to match your list above:

Vita Rays + True SSS = Cap
Vita Rays + False SSS = X
Vita Rays + NO SSS = Y

 

[protocida]

In The Incredible Hulk's novelization, it is stated that the USA government made unsucessful experiments with the Supersoldier Serum during Cold War, and the sample used in Blonsky was stolen by Gen. Ross years prior.

 

[Webhead2006]

This is kind of why, I thought that the serum given to Blonsky was the product of addtional R&D that went on after WWII. The vita-ray information was lost, and the formula did not work as expected (there could be a dark past of cold-war era experiments gone wrong... again giving us a host of other characters, and plot lines), so the military kept working on it... Then as of TIH, they had to a particular formulation that called for the twin injections, including into the bone.

Who knows... maybe they will depict Cap as having gotten that kind of treatment as well (two injections, with a bone injection), and that is just how it is done (plus the vita-ray component, of course).

Again, I like the idea of Skull being mutated in response... linking to the Blonksy mutation. Even if the formulas used on Blonsky and Skull turn out to be slightly different, it can be that their mutations are slightly different, but similar (still a skeletal disfigurement, to some degree)... maybe Skull got a tweaked version after it was stolen, and it was injected into the base of his skull, causing the RED SKULL mutation... Lots of ways to tie this out.

But essentially, I agree with this as the basic theme:

SSS + Vita Rays = Super Soldier (no defects)
SSS - Vita Rays = Super Soldier (insanity and probable skeletal mutation)
SSS - Vita Rays + unknown element = (oh S***)

That would be a good way to go about it.

 

[sabetoonth]

Thinking on though, the serum was injected straight into Blonksy's bones (which obviously contributed to the skeletal mutation). I thought this puzzling at the time - I mean, why did they do that?

Is it medical procedure to administer serums and anti-toxins into the bones of a person for better gains? What happened to the old-fashioned needle in the shoulder?

Furthermore, does that mean that Cap would most likely be administered with the SSS in the same way? Or did the guys giving Blonsky the serum somehow reallly drop the ball by doing it wrong?

Question, questions, questions.................

i beleive injecting into the bone deep enough injects it into the marrow and therefore into either the blood produced from the marrow or the white bloodcells

 

[Obi-Ron]

The Skull should be in possession of some sort of variant of the cosmic cube.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Well, something else, too. Instead of using the Serum as the control, what about using the Vita Rays? Such as, to match your list above:

Vita Rays + True SSS = Cap
Vita Rays + False SSS = X
Vita Rays + NO SSS = Y

It could very well be depicted that way... The only thing is, I believe it was the vita-ray process that became lost (in the book cannon anyway).

 

[Rich Santoro]

In The Incredible Hulk's novelization, it is stated that the USA government made unsucessful experiments with the Supersoldier Serum during Cold War, and the sample used in Blonsky was stolen by Gen. Ross years prior.

Sweet... Thanks for the info. This just makes sense that there were ongoing efforts, and the program was eventually terminated. The idea that Ross stole a derivative / spin-off at some point and was operating on the down-low / illegally, is an interesting angle.

 

[Rich Santoro]

The Skull should be in possession of some sort of variant of the cosmic cube.

That most certainly would be the global threat that no single superhero can defeat. I wouldn't mind if it was watered down for the film... just a bit (no reality changing powers... just massive strength, speed, energy blasts, some mind powers, Dragonball'esqe power-up and unleash type of stuff... not the movie Dragonball... but the animated Dragonball Z type of presentation).

Then the coupe de gras scene that I have been longing for could be done... (this is fanboy nonsense, but join me if you will):

The team is strewn about as the Skull is starting to come out on top. Cap ralleys the team amid the mayhem, strategizes on the fly, has Hulk move in for a distraction so that Wasp can get close... Hulk gets thrown as Cap runs in from behind him... just then, Wasp swoops in for the old blast-in-the-eyes trick, and wham... Caps catches Skull with a shield swipe, then as he backhands with the shield for a one-two combo, Skull quickly recovers from a moment of disorientation (eye blast and vibranium shield to the jaw) and grabs hold of the shield asnd hurls Cap aside... but in that split second, Cap drops Antman onto Skull's person (Cap was holding Pym hidden in his shield hand). Skull looms over Cap as the rest of the team is trying to pick themselves up... Skull clenches his fist and and we see an energy sphere forming... then BOOM, he lurches backward and we see Antman and the Cube go tumbling to the ground. Skull gets back up and lunges for the Cube. Cap sees Mjolnir lying nearby (Thor was knocked for a loop a bit earlier). Cap grabs the hammer and heaves it up... Thor looks over and is in shock and awe, IM also notices (as does the audience) because it would have been established earlier that only Thor and those of noble heart can wield the hammer. Cap then slams in down on the Cube just as Skull dives in and KAPLOOEY!!! The Cube goes up in a mushroom cloud.

Wasp grabs Antman, who is out of it from his handling of the Cube, and flies off toward IM... She calls to Tony, "Heads up"... he catched the two of them and craddles them as he hits the afterburners to get some distance. Thor, Cap, Skull and Hulk are caught in the blast. Skull is incinerated... Hulk is charred and burnt in a heap... but heals rapidly. He gets up, as seared hide falls off and he slowly transforms to Banner (some distance from the rest of the team, due to the blast). He skulks away for his own sequel. Cap picks himself up, and looks around trying to figure out how he survived... Thor walks up (smoking and sizzling, with his Asgardian armor tattered) and says that Mjolnir protected him. He goes on about how the cosmos has revealed to him where he belongs and by whose side he should serve, IM realizes that Cap smashed the Cube not knowing that he would live, meaning that he essentiall sacrificed himself without a thought... and knows who the leader of the team should be (finalizing the Avengers team-up, as there could have been tension throughout the film). Bring it on boys...

 

[sabetoonth]

add to that scene maybe an "Avengers assemble!" and it would make millions geekgasm

 

[bossman550]

me 2

 

[Keyser Soze]

The Skull should be in possession of some sort of variant of the cosmic cube.

Maybe Loki can give it to him.

 

[Rich Santoro]

Maybe Loki can give it to him.

It could be presented as some kind of merger of technology and magic. Great way to hang all the themes of the Marvel-movie-verse together (Mandarin, Asgard, Thor with IM, the known universe, and mortals).

 

[sabetoonth]

Maybe Loki can give it to him.

maybe as a part of some kind of master plan that could conclude in a avengers 2 or 3 instead of 6 like in star wars.

 

[That-Guy]

Just saw Valkyrie last night. Gotta say, Thomas Kretschmann is perfect for the Red Skull. He played a perfect Nazi in that movie, and he played a really vicious SOB in Transsiberian. Hell, he was even good in Wanted and I hated that movie. I can't think of a better choice.

 

[Dog Brother #1]

While I do like Kretschman as an actor, I don't think he's right for the Skull. Red Skull needs someone who can project a more overt evil, rather than Kretschman's more subtle sinister portrayals. I think ofter people fall into the trap of suggesting him because he's German. But that being said, if he does end up being cast, there are worse things I can think of. He's just not my first choice.

 

[That-Guy]

Fair enough... I guess I tend to prefer subtlety in villains though because you have to have someone PERFECT to play a loony, maniacal villain in a superhero movie for it to work. Otherwise, you end up with Treat Williams in The Phantom (cringe).

 

[MilkmanDan]

Hey! I thought Treat Williams was brilliant and hilarious in Phantom. He played that villain like it was Hank Scorpio from Simpsons. A really likable guy and a good boss, who also happens to be an evil murderous mastermind. In a less campy movie it wouldn't have worked, but in this case it didn't feel out-of-place and made his character probably the most entertaining thing in that movie.

 

[sabetoonth]

the skull needs to be evil yet not so much that he couldnt get by in normal life

 

[Rich Santoro]

the skull needs to be evil yet not so much that he couldnt get by in normal life

I have a different perception of him. He is a megalomaniac on the order (or beyond) Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... Absolute power and dominance is his goal. There is no place for this man in society. When he is not actively engaging in destruction, he is plotting and building a destructive machine (be it an actual machine, a man-powered machine... ie private army / operation, or a process of building power... ie the manufacturing of a cosmic cube).

I see Zemo as more aligned with your description...

 

[Brian Braddock]

Totally, Rich. Totally.

It'd be nice to see the Skull portrayed the way you describe. To be honest, it'll be a refreshing change from Hollywood trying to give us the now-standard sympathetic bad guy.

Red Skulls a evil ****. Simple as that.

 

[sabetoonth]

yes i see the guy as being evil as **** but still being at least able to tone it down enough that he coud just dissapear for a while while he plots, like witness protection but hes just acting like hes not so evil. i guess thats what i was trying to say

 

[Dog Brother #1]

Red Skull make up test

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=204Pud9ZeXQ

Anyone see this yet? It's a little old,and most likely not authentic, but cool looking none the less.

 

[Webhead2006]

thats cool though probably not real since i dont think they are even that far along in pre production now let alone then.

 

[tamron]

The mask in the video is a "Yorick the Skull" silicone mask from Composite Effects. As seen here for $544.95.

It is a pretty nice looking mask though.