Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - - Part 16

[Vartha]

Still tho Darth, I like both lol
Tho you KNOW I'm not that big of a nit-picker. Tho one thing that bothered me through the WHOLE Dwayne Hercules was his Armor didn't fit at ALL.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Still tho Darth, I like both lol
Tho you KNOW I'm not that big of a nit-picker. Tho one thing that bothered me through the WHOLE Dwayne Hercules was his Armor didn't fit at ALL.

Not being happy with editing, directing, writing and cinematography is not nitpicking. Having trouble with the Rock's chest plate is. t:

 

[Vartha]

hehehe

I still liked the movies...TECHNICALLY if you look at all 6 as a Whole, the movies get better as the story goes.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

hehehe

I still liked the movies...TECHNICALLY if you look at all 6 as a Whole, the movies get better as the story goes.

So it is just like Star Wars.

 

[Vartha]

hmmm Tomatoes 9 fresh 3 rotten so far

 

[Vartha]

So it is just like Star Wars.

Yeah my bro had the SW dvd sets, I only had the vhs now that I'm down south I'll have to locate a SW set to watch now that Hobbit and Lotr are coming to an end. I haven't watched it in over 7 years

 

[regwec]

I was referring to the film and whats established in it. Not the book. Its established in the film that "Sauron has regained much of his former strength. He cannot yet take physical form, but his spirit has lost none of its potency." So it would have been a plot hole for him to show up in any physical form in ROTK.

And he hasn't shown up in physical form in the previous hobbit films so I doubt he will in BTFA. He will likely be the same black non corporeal specter spirit thing he was in AUJ and then reveal himself wreathed in fire like in DOS, but even in that state he is still spirit and not physical.

Fair enough.

thought Aragorn decapitating the Mouth of Sauron scene was a nice "**** you" moment to Sauron and the Mouth had it coming. He was a fascinating character tho and Id like to have seen more of him.

Once you are fully refreshed, I would be fascinated to hear you explain why having the noblest of men and exemplar of the human race murder an emissary in a sneak attack was a good idea.

It's every bit as destructive to a key character as was Gandalf beating the crap out of Denethor, in my opinion.

 

[Vartha]

Hey Reg, out of Curiosity which Tolkein book/story is your favorite? I'm just curious

 

[regwec]

Hard to say as they are all quite different. The Hobbit is probably the most pleasing fairy tale yarn, The Silmarillion reads very well as a mythic epic, and LOTR progressively merges the two. I suppose on that basis I would save LOTR if I could only rescue one manuscript from the fire.

 

[Vartha]

Yeah Mine was one of the Untold tales, I'm brainfarting the title, but I remember wanting to read more. lol

 

[Drz]

Huge picture of Dain Ironfoot in the spoiler tag:

Spoiler

 

[regwec]

Looks pretty fake, but the filters even make what's real look unreal.

I don't understand why it's necessary to have the famously cavalry-averse Dwarves ride around on anything. Or use fifteen foot pikes.

 

[Kane52630]

It's called fantasy for a reason.

 

[regwec]

That's irrelevant where the fantasy you weave is self contradictory.

 

[Persona]

I would have liked the first two Hobbits better if they were simply good films. Being a fan of the books is one thing. Being a fan of film is another.

It's all just opinions, dude. I think most opinions align that the movies are bloated and overstuffed and didn't need to be a trilogy. Even as someone who likes the movies, I can agree on that. After that you will get a lot of variance in opinion on what works or is worthwhile in these Hobbit movies and what doesn't or isn't. Yes, some of the CG is technically poor by today's standards...but also some of it is spectacular (Riddles in the Dark, Smaug); the inconsistencies are symptomatic of the film trying to do too much (which isn't the worst aspiration, though it can get indulgent), but I'm mostly okay with the many flaws because there are still some quality heights to the filmmaking and a good-hearted earnestness to the storytelling that can be a rarity with Hollywood blockbusters these days. But I definitely understand how the bad outweighs the good for a lot of the audience and fans, especially book fans. Much more understandable to me in this case than some of the mixed or negative reactions that, say, Interstellar got.

 

[Kane52630]

That's irrelevant where the fantasy you weave is self contradictory.

Isn't life self contradictory though?

 

[regwec]

What is "life self"?

 

[Kane52630]

What is "is"?

 

[redhawk23]

It would have been a terrible idea. Firstly, PJ would have almost certainly have given Sauron the same form that he had in the prologue, despite it explicitly being said that losing the ring extinguished that form altogether.

Actually no. Sauron was going to be shown as a kind of beautiful white being.

 

[Swordmaster]

I recall hearing of Kate Winslet being approached for the role.

Going back a bit, the scene with the Mouth of Sauron would have been so much better if he retreated under Aragorn's glare, feeling as if that itself was an attack on him.

 

[Drz]

Actually no. Sauron was going to be shown as a kind of beautiful white being.

You're both correct.

It would start with a beautiful Sauron, that's where the light emissions come from, but then it turns to the dark lord Sauron. If you watch the documentaries on the special features, they show you Aragorn fightning Sauron.

 

[regwec]

Beautiful white Sauron brings his own mythical problems, because he was supposed to be unable to take a "fair form" after the fall of Numenor.

 

[Drz]

Yeah but surely Sauron could cast a illusion spell for a few seconds?

 

[Boom]

Yeah but surely Sauron could cast a illusion spell for a few seconds?

Nope. He is completely incapable of taking on a fair shape, illusion or not.

 

[Kane52630]

That we know of...