Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - - Part 18

[Marvolo]

Christopher Plummer could probably have been a decent Gandalf (or Saruman, or maybe even Theoden), but I can't see he or anyone else being as good as Ian McKellen.

Actually, IMO, the entire LOTR trilogy was perfectly cast across the board. I wouldn't change anyone.

I would change Elijah Wood. He's always been the weak link, but some of that is due tot the writing and alterations to the character.

Elijah isnt a terrible or even a bad actor. I just don't like him as Frodo.

 

[Marvolo]

From Blu-ray.com forums:

Unfortunately I had to leave just a bit early (right after Azog dies) due to some stuff at home, but here are the major EE additions off the top of my head:

Spoiler

Immolation of Lake-Town is extended a bit, basically Smaug tries to kill Bard before he reaches the Bell tower.

Some extended dialogue/torture for Gandalf before Galadriel and the White Council show up (and her way of disposing of Gandalf's captor got thunderous applause) -- once Sauron starts reciting the "three rings for Elves" bit it's the exact same scene as theatrical.

Gandalf gets Radagast's staff, nice little line from the latter that's pretty funny.

Nice brief scene before Bilbo sneaks off to give Thranduil and Bard the Arkenstone, in which Bofur basically tells Bilbo no hard feelings if he wants to dip before the fighting starts.

The Battle itself starts with Thranduil and Ironfoot's armies going at it before the Wereworms show up (still no explanation of how Azog got around Dale and up the cliff and set up his signal thing with no one noticing).

LOTS of extended battle footage, nearly all good, but the main highlight is the cart-on-ice scene shown briefly in one of the trailers; THIS IS THE SCENE THAT CAUSES THE R-RATING, lots of warg, troll, and orc beheadings shown in bloody detail; Balin and especially Bofur get tons of nice hero moments, even Bombur.

Gandalf having to work out the kinks with his new staff (in the same scene, ALFRID DIES in the most perfect way imaginable).

Beorn gets some more action... about 10 seconds worth. You see him mauling/eating orcs but nothing graphic and very brief

Anyway, those are the highlights. Someone can fill in what I missed; I'm sure the funeral is in there.

Sounds like the scene of the dwarfs on the cart being chased on the ice was intended to be this film's equivalent of the Barrels out of Bonds scene.

 

[Drizzle]

I've been reading some descriptions over on TheOneRing.net forums. It sounds like it's a definite improvement over the theatrical version.

 

[AnneFan]

I've been reading some descriptions over on TheOneRing.net forums. It sounds like it's a definite improvement over the theatrical version.

Any idea how Alfrid bites the dust?

 

[Drizzle]

Any idea how Alfrid bites the dust?

All that I read about it, and it didn't go into much detail, was that he [BLACKOUT]more or less gets eaten by a troll[/BLACKOUT].

 

[Marvolo]

All that I read about it, and it didn't go into much detail, was that he [BLACKOUT]more or less gets eaten by a troll[/BLACKOUT].

Good.

[Blackout]Thorin's funeral[/blackout] is confirmed to be in the film.

 

[CGHulk]

I'm back, and I loved it, it was so much better. I actually hated the theatrical cut.

Spoiler

How Alfred dies is that he's hiding in the cloth sack hanging from the catapult and a coin falls out from his bosom and lands on the handle of the the catapult, the coin spins and when it finally lands flat it releases Alfred and throws him in the mouth of the giant troll and kills him and the troll all in one. The troll falls down on the ground, with Alfred from the waist down sticking out of his mouth.

 

[ThePhantasm]

[blackout]Beorn only gets about 10 seconds more action[/blackout]?

**** this lame ass ****

what the ****

 

[CGHulk]

Spoiler

Beorn is standing next Radagast and Gandalf at the funeral scene. One of the characters says, hail to the king, the you get a closeup of Dain wearing the crown and bowing, this scene is the real Billy Connelly in makeup.

Dain is in a lot more scenes, and they cut out some of the bad CG scenes and the new scenes he done a lot better.

There's a scene where Bifur is fighting a larger orc and their two heads get stuck together from the axe in his head, and two dwarves try to pull them apart by holding on to Bifur, they then push and the orc and now the orc is hanging off a small cliff with the two dwarves are still holding onto Birfur. Bombur shows up out of know-where and jumps over all of them and then grabs onto the hanging orc and uses his weight to pull them apart, Bombur lands on the orc killing him and the axe dislodged from Bifur's head. Then Bomber climbs up the short cliff and hands Bifur the axe asking him if he wants it back. I couldn't hear what Bifur said next because people were laughing, I suppose he finally said something in English, which looked like he said he didn't want it back.

When Galadriel kills the white orc in Dol Guldur all of him is blow away except his charred skeleton that then quickly crumbles.

When Radagast gives Gandalf his staff he tells him its a bit glitchy. Later Gandalf tries to use it on a a big troll it wouldn't work, instead Alfred dispatches the troll with his life.

Bifur climbs up the back of one of the blind rock wielding stilts for leg trolls, and he kills the driver and he then takes over the drivers seat and kills orcs with their own troll. It reminded me of when Chewie took over one of the walkers in Return of the Jedi.

When the dwarves show up at the battle they use their spinning javelins to knock out the elves arrows and when the javelins land they kill a lot of elves. Then dwarves charge the elves riding rams and they all clash into battle, then a moments later the orcs show up. The orcs have large trolls this time in the ground battle, unlike in the theatrical.

 

[KillerMcQueen]

Awesome to hear that the extended edition is a big improvement, I didn't hate the theatrical cut, but I've preferred the extended additions of the other five films so far and am happy to hear that'll probably be the case for BotFA.

 

[<(o_o)>]

Spoiler

Beorn is standing next Radagast and Gandalf at the funeral scene. One of the characters says, hail to the king, the you get a closeup of Dain wearing the crown and bowing, this scene is the real Billy Connelly in makeup.

Dain is in a lot more scenes, and they cut out some of the bad CG scenes and the new scenes he done a lot better.

There's a scene where Bifur is fighting a larger orc and their two heads get stuck together from the axe in his head, and two dwarves try to pull them apart by holding on to Bifur, they then push and the orc and now the orc is hanging off a small cliff with the two dwarves are still holding onto Birfur. Bombur shows up out of know-where and jumps over all of them and then grabs onto the hanging orc and uses his weight to pull them apart, Bombur lands on the orc killing him and the axe dislodged from Bifur's head. Then Bomber climbs up the short cliff and hands Bifur the axe asking him if he wants it back. I couldn't hear what Bifur said next because people were laughing, I suppose he finally said something in English, which looked like he said he didn't want it back.

When Galadriel kills the white orc in Dol Guldur all of him is blow away except his charred skeleton that then quickly crumbles.

When Radagast gives Gandalf his staff he tells him its a bit glitchy. Later Gandalf tries to use it on a a big troll it wouldn't work, instead Alfred dispatches the troll with his life.

Bifur climbs up the back of one of the blind rock wielding stilts for leg trolls, and he kills the driver and he then takes over the drivers seat and kills orcs with their own troll. It reminded me of when Chewie took over one of the walkers in Return of the Jedi.

When the dwarves show up at the battle they use their spinning javelins to knock out the elves arrows and when the javelins land they kill a lot of elves. Then dwarves charge the elves riding rams and they all clash into battle, then a moments later the orcs show up. The orcs have large trolls this time in the ground battle, unlike in the theatrical.

Is there anymore of Tauriel or is it pretty much the same as it was in the theatrical version with her?

 

[CGHulk]

There was nothing added for her.

 

[sueb1863]

Question about the additions:

Spoiler

Is the funeral just for Thorin, or are Kili and Fili also included?

 

[CGHulk]

Question about the additions:

Spoiler

Is the funeral just for Thorin, or are Kili and Fili also included?

Spoiler

The three of them are lying on raised slabs separate from each other while the 9 dwarves and Bilbo are slowly walking around them grieving. There's a moment where Bilbo stops and cries in front of Thorin's body. The skin color on the dead bodies is the color grey.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Awesome to hear that the extended edition is a big improvement, I didn't hate the theatrical cut, but I've preferred the extended additions of the other five films so far and am happy to hear that'll probably be the case for BotFA.

Same here, all of the added stuff sounds great and while I enjoyed the theatricals, I have preferred the EE's so far and it sounds like that will be the case here.

 

[Vartha]

[blackout]Beorn only gets about 10 seconds more action[/blackout]?

**** this lame ass ****

what the ****

He's gotten more time than Tom B. did in LotR be thankful lol

 

[Drizzle]

Spoiler

There's a scene where Bifur is fighting a larger orc and their two heads get stuck together from the axe in his head, and two dwarves try to pull them apart by holding on to Bifur, they then push and the orc and now the orc is hanging off a small cliff with the two dwarves are still holding onto Birfur. Bombur shows up out of know-where and jumps over all of them and then grabs onto the hanging orc and uses his weight to pull them apart, Bombur lands on the orc killing him and the axe dislodged from Bifur's head. Then Bomber climbs up the short cliff and hands Bifur the axe asking him if he wants it back. I couldn't hear what Bifur said next because people were laughing, I suppose he finally said something in English, which looked like he said he didn't want it back.

Spoiler

After reading this, I went back and watched the scene where Bilbo says goodbye to the dwarves in the theatrical version and sure enough, the axe isn't in Bifur's head. I can't believe I never noticed that. And I was disappointed that Bombur didn't speak in the theatrical version (I even remember reading somewhere that he was supposed to before the film came out) so I'm glad they gave him a line in the extended edition.

 

[Marvolo]

Is it true that Gandalf's "How shall this day end?" line from the trailer isnt in the EE?

 

[Drizzle]

Is it true that Gandalf's "How shall this day end?" line from the trailer isnt in the EE?

It's confirmed to not be in it.

I'm reading that there's a lot more Bofur in this one, which I'm more happy with since he was my favorite dwarf in the trilogy and he was short-changed in the theatrical cut.

 

[Marvolo]

It's confirmed to not be in it.

I'm reading that there's a lot more Bofur in this one, which I'm more happy with since he was my favorite dwarf in the trilogy and he was short-changed in the theatrical cut.

Makes me wonder what else Jackson left out.

 

[CGHulk]

It's confirmed to not be in it.

I'm reading that there's a lot more Bofur in this one, which I'm more happy with since he was my favorite dwarf in the trilogy and he was short-changed in the theatrical cut.

Yeah!

Spoiler

The scene where Bilbo is about to go over the wall with the rope, Bofur's catches him and his reaction mirrors the time Blibo wanted to leave the company in the first film. Bofur's understands and believes Bilbo should leave regardless of what he was saying to him, that he'll be back in the morning, Bifur still says, "Good bye Bilbo."

 

[Abudefduf]

Wow... just read about the [blackout]Echtelion of Gondor's[/blackout] random name drop. Talk about fanservice gone wrong, that's almost as bad as "Go find this Strider guy, Legolas".

As a huge fan of the books and Jackson's TLotR movies, I can't say I'm pleased with the way this trilogy turned out. It's... disheartening.

 

[Gort Baringa]

Is there a scene in which Bilbo's sword Sting receives the extra engravings that are on the sword that he eventually presents to Frodo in LOTR?

 

[Marvolo]

Wow... just read about the [blackout]Echtelion of Gondor's[/blackout] random name drop. Talk about fanservice gone wrong, that's almost as bad as "Go find this Strider guy, Legolas".

As a huge fan of the books and Jackson's TLotR movies, I can't say I'm pleased with the way this trilogy turned out. It's... disheartening.

Why is mentioning Ecthelion so wrong? Was he not steward of Fond of during the Hobbit?

 

[Abudefduf]

Why is mentioning Ecthelion so wrong? Was he not steward of Fond of during the Hobbit?

Because it's the 965th time (I know, I kept count) someone randomly and needlessy references something from the LotR movies. Just focus on The Hobbit tale dammit.
It's so fanservice-y. Basically, [blackout]Thranduil at some point suggests to sell the Arkenstone to Echtelion of Gondor[/blackout].

Stop trying to remember me of your previous and more successful trilogy Jackson, amnesia is not one of my many problems. Even though pettiness obviously is.