Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 6

[DarthSkywalker]

What do you mean says who? No one, including the crew and director, expects actors to lash out emotionally on set unless they have a negative reputation for it. It just happens.
And you're making excuses to justify his crying. I think McKellen could have expressed himself in a better way. Crying was not needed. Jackson doesn't make crap situations worse, he tries to accommodate his actors and this proves it. Don't make him out to be a bad guy.

Are you being serious? This is what actors do. The stories are legendary.

No excuses. I am proud of McKellen for pointing out the ridiculousness of having him work in front of green screen while others don't. If he was emotional about it, it simply shows his conviction and dedication. If McKellen wanted to go up to and yell at Jackson I wouldn't care.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Are you being serious? This is what actors do. The stories are legendary.

No excuses. I am proud of McKellen for pointing out the ridiculousness of having him work in front of green screen while others don't. If he was emotional about it, it simply shows his conviction and dedication. If McKellen wanted to go up to and yell at Jackson I wouldn't care.

No, now you're unfairly generalizing. This is what some actors do, which is why some found this news about McKellen lashing out surprising.

Of course you wouldn't care, because you're clearly defending him now. Crying about it was too far, but let's agree to disagree because this will go nowhere. We clearly have different points of view about what counts as professionalism as far as actors are concerned.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

No, now you're unfairly generalizing. This is what some actors do, which is why some found this news about McKellen lashing out surprising.

Of course you wouldn't care, because you're clearly defending him now. Crying about it was too far, but let's agree to disagree because this will go nowhere. We clearly have different points of view about what counts as professionalism as far as actors are concerned.

Crying counts as lashing out now? t:

Not a generalization. Good directors give as good as they take. They understand the process and their actors. Emotions on set are expected. You want delicacy in how people get their point across in a highly charged situation. It is like telling athletes not to curse. It is ridiculous.

I am not defending him. There is nothing to defend. It is like trying to defend that 2+2=4. Of course it does.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

Crying counts as lashing out now? t:

Not a generalization. Good directors give as good as they take. They understand the process and their actors. Emotions on set are expected. You want delicacy in how people get their point across in a highly charged situation. It is like telling athletes not to curse. It is ridiculous.

I am not defending him. There is nothing to defend. It is like trying to defend that 2+2=4. Of course it does.

You are generalizing when you say that every actor emotionally lashes out like that on set. It's not true, and never was. Actors are not expected to lash out on set, and it's often frowned upon when it happens. Don't make it seem like the norm, because it isn't.

I do count it as lashing out if McKellen started crying and shouted, "This is not why I became an actor!". Ian lost his **** and lashed out, plain and simple. The evidence is right in your face. If you don't understand that, then that's just too bad.

You're defending him, and it's not a problem for me. I just don't agree with the defending.

Like I said, I'm pretty much done with this back-and-forth. It's getting nowhere, and no one's opinion about the situation probably won't change anytime soon.

 

[Octoberist]

That and we were not there. It was a long shoot and Ian is only human.

Everyman or wizard has their breaking point, even in their 70's.

 

[Octoberist]

With Chris Tolken, being the son of of the most influencial authors..ever, gives him a different perception on things. However, I do think ego probably is factor, that he is probably overly protective of the property. And I hate to say it, but at the age of 90, he's probably very, very set in his ways (stubborn) about this and will die with the same mindset. That's the dangers of growing old: being set in your ways.

In my eyes, the films have done the books well. More exposure, I'd say. More fans to read the works of his father. It's not a bad thing, and the while the films have their critics, they're considered classics and they're Oscar winner(s). My point is that it's a bunch of films directed by Paul WS Anderson, so Chris Tolken needs to lighten up.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

That and we were not there. It was a long shoot and Ian is only human.

Everyman or wizard has their breaking point, even in their 70's.

I have no problem with Ian not liking how they were shooting. I even agree with his point of view. What I disagree with is how he chose to express himself to Jackson and everyone else. He's an experienced actor in his 70's and should have had more control, imo.

 

[Octoberist]

I don't know. I don't even know how this piece of news got leaked out. But like what I said, we were not there. I think Darth has a point that actors are probably the most sensitive people on earth. We don't have to understand why or how, but that's the type of creatures they are. I'm not gonna judge Ian, but again, everyone has a breaking point.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I don't know. I don't even know how this piece of news got leaked out. But like what I said, we were not there. I think Darth has a point that actors are probably the most sensitive people on earth. We don't have to understand why or how, but that's the type of creatures they are. I'm not gonna judge Ian, but again, everyone has a breaking point.

I realize how sensitive actors are and understand why they have to be, considering I pointed that out in one of my previous posts. However, that doesn't give them validation to lash out in situations like that. That's like saying since police officers are trained on how to use a gun, they are free to use it literally whenever they see fit and not when it's really required. Situations like this require tact. Ian should have privately gone to Jackson and discussed the issue with him there, instead of making it a big show.

And yeah, not sure how this was leaked either. It could even be false, in which case none of this matters.

 

[Octoberist]

I mean...I agree it's counter-productive and it wastes time. That and your boss (Jackson) and hundreds of people are there, so it becomes an unneeded spectacle. Anytime working-time is wasted, more money is spent.

But not gonna judge the man. Yeah, since it's only a rumor, it could be based on nothing. We'll find out in due time.

 

[gzilla46]

I heard that movie will have it's own custom 3D glasses. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's cool.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I just didn't expect this type of reaction from McKellen. Even though I don't agree with how he handled the situation, I understand his distaste for how they were filming him. I guess I just imagined Ian handling something like this more privately and professionally.

 

[Octoberist]

I do get the sense that, after the troubled pre-production, the animal deaths allegations with the animal wranglers quitting, that this production has been very very stressful, perhaps moreso than the original trilogy, and Jackson has done his best to hide it. From the video blogs though, it looked like it was a fun shoot and if it was that miserable, then why Jackson would want to shoot this saga into three parts? I don't know.

 

[Kane52630]

I heard that movie will have it's own custom 3D glasses. I don't know if that's true or not, but that's cool.

Yep! Hopefully my theater will get them.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't know. I don't even know how this piece of news got leaked out. But like what I said, we were not there. I think Darth has a point that actors are probably the most sensitive people on earth. We don't have to understand why or how, but that's the type of creatures they are. I'm not gonna judge Ian, but again, everyone has a breaking point.

*golf clap*

I do get the sense that, after the troubled pre-production, the animal deaths allegations with the animal wranglers quitting, that this production has been very very stressful, perhaps moreso than the original trilogy, and Jackson has done his best to hide it. From the video blogs though, it looked like it was a fun shoot and if it was that miserable, then why Jackson would want to shoot this saga into three parts? I don't know.

The shoot was enormous. In fact it still isn't over. There are good days and bad days and there are tons of people working on these films. I am sure it is easy to avoid the bad days in the vlogs.

Also we have consider the roles. Apparently Cate Blanchett was on set for a very short amount of time and everyone loved it. On the flip side, no actor has been on set more then Sir Ian and Martin.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I do get the sense that, after the troubled pre-production, the animal deaths allegations with the animal wranglers quitting, that this production has been very very stressful, perhaps moreso than the original trilogy, and Jackson has done his best to hide it. From the video blogs though, it looked like it was a fun shoot and if it was that miserable, then why Jackson would want to shoot this saga into three parts? I don't know.

Yep, all of that stress is possibly why Jackson didn't want to return in the first place. The video blogs did a great job of making everything seem ship-shape and merry, but that was their purpose. I think that WB had a hand in persuading Jackson to add one more part in. Not that I'm saddened by the decision, since this will probably be the last time we get to visit middle earth on the big screen unless they adapt The Simillarion.

 

[Man in the Suit]

I don't know. I don't even know how this piece of news got leaked out. But like what I said, we were not there. I think Darth has a point that actors are probably the most sensitive people on earth. We don't have to understand why or how, but that's the type of creatures they are. I'm not gonna judge Ian, but again, everyone has a breaking point.

I don't think anything leaked. Ian talked about it in an interview. People are making this a bigger deal than it is.

http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2012/11/19/ian-mckellen-broke-down-on-%E2%80%98the-hobbit%E2%80%99-set/

 

[DarkKnight88]

Wow, a whole page wasted on nothing. Things happen on the set all the time. Who cares? They get over it, move on and things get better. Why is this even a discussion.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I don't think anything leaked. Ian talked about it in an interview. People are making this a bigger deal than it is.

http://blog.sfgate.com/dailydish/2012/11/19/ian-mckellen-broke-down-on-%E2%80%98the-hobbit%E2%80%99-set/

How are people making this a bigger deal than it is? Here's that quote from him in the article.

“I cried, actually. I cried. Then I said out loud, ‘This is not why I became an actor.’ Unfortunately the microphone was on and the whole studio heard.”

That's exactly what others and I were conversing about. Nothing is being blown out of proportion when the man admits to doing exactly what we said. I didn't even know there was a microphone and the entire studio heard. That's even worse than I first suspected.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Wow, a whole page wasted on nothing. Things happen on the set all the time. Who cares? They get over it, move on and things get better. Why is this even a discussion.

That is what I was saying. Then Cosmic decided it was some form of lack of professionalism.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

That is what I was saying. Then Cosmic decided it was some form of lack of professionalism.

Actually, I had already said that I disagreed with how he handled the situation. That's when you decided to chime in and quote me with your opinion there as well. Yes, I did think it was unprofessional. I still do.

No one asked you or forced you to reply to what I said. You chose to do that. Don't make it seem like I started something when all I gave was an opinion.

 

[Man in the Suit]

How are people making this a bigger deal than it is? Here's that quote from him in the article.

That's exactly what others and I were conversing about. Nothing is being blown out of proportion when the man admits to doing exactly what we said. I didn't even know there was a microphone and the entire studio heard. That's even worse than I first suspected.

I think you're reading it wrong. It sounds more like a story of how difficult it is to this kind of acting, than "I HAD A MASSIVE FREAK OUT ON SET"

The "mic was on" part makes it sound like he was telling a funny story.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I think you're reading it wrong. It sounds more like a story of how difficult it is to this kind of acting, than "I HAD A MASSIVE FREAK OUT ON SET"
The "mic was on" part makes it sound like he was telling a funny story.

I'm not reading it wrong. He cried, loudly expressed his feelings, and the entire studio heard about it because of the microphone. That's exactly what happened. I love McKellen, but he could have handled that better.

Was the mic part funny to you? I'm not laughing, I found it embarrassing for McKellen. Once again, I understand why he did it. Just not how he got his point across to Jackson.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

How dare anyone express their feelings in a creative environment. Shocking, I know. I am sure the Beatles, Floyd and Kubrick didn't do any such things.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

How dare anyone express their feelings in a creative environment. Shocking, I know. I am sure the Beatles, Floyd and Kubrick didn't do any such things.

I know, right? Great to see you've finally come to your senses. I was really beginning to worry about you.


Nothing's wrong with expressing your feelings. It's how you choose to express those feelings that creates problems. I hope you paid attention to this post, since you obviously weren't to the others.