Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 8

[C. Lee]

So....an 80 some million dollar opening weekend is disappointing.......face palm face palm face palm face palm......

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Well I might see it again tomorrow in 2D that is.

 

[TheIrishAvenger]

So....an 80 some million dollar opening weekend is disappointing.......face palm face palm face palm face palm......

Highest grossing December opening of all time is apparently disappointing...

 

[redhawk23]

So....an 80 some million dollar opening weekend is disappointing.......face palm face palm face palm face palm......

For this film? Certainly WB felt 100 million was not unrealistic.

It didn't do that much better business than Return of The King despite 9 years and the 3d surcharge and more screens.

 

[Kane52630]

So....an 80 some million dollar opening weekend is disappointing.......face palm face palm face palm face palm......

lol I agree.

 

[Tequilla]

A bloated mess . Trademark cinema by Peter Jackson.

The Hobbit is such a fun read. This is not.

48fps...meh. Its definitely better than normal 24 3d , but its still the same gimmick 3d.

Some of the cgi is as bad it gets. The smoothness doesn't help .

The only thing i really liked was the songs.

Tolkien deserved a competent director adapting his work. Not PJ.

 

[Ultimatehero]

So....an 80 some million dollar opening weekend is disappointing.......face palm face palm face palm face palm......

Agreed.

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Also where did WB ever say they were looking for 100 mil? First I heard of it. I only ever heard of numbers in the 80s.

Also as said, it's still a contender for either fifth or fourth place depending on if business is the same as SKYFALL or slightly better. SKYFALL will pass Twilight soon despite a smaller opening. The two showings I went to, the audience really seemed to love it.

 

[HowardStark]

While I was really suspicious of the CG Azog going in and I agree that it could have been done practically, I though the CG for him was super solid. In the end though he didn't look that much different than the the Engineers from Prometheus, which were done practically.

The CG for Azog was great and distracted me far less than the fact that Azog barely does anything.

Azog has minions and probably his Spawn Bolg is the real power and he is the old Orc who can't let things go. A question will we ever find out how Gandalf got that Key and what happened to Thorins dad.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So....an 80 some million dollar opening weekend is disappointing.......face palm face palm face palm face palm......

Just read the Mojo article. http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3587&p=.htm

All you have to do is compare it to RotK to understand why it is slightly disappointing. 9 years, 3D, IMAX, a much shorter runtime. It didn't really come close to RotK in terms of attendance.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Azog has minions and probably his Spawn Bolg is the real power and he is the old Orc who can't let things go. A question will we ever find out how Gandalf got that Key and what happened to Thorins dad.

Yes. of course I think we will see Gandalf get the map and key from Thrain as a flashback. It would have been Gandalf's second visit to Dol Guldur, according to the timeline.

 

[Ultimatehero]

9 years, 3D, IMAX, a much shorter runtime.

Economy = less people going, higher ticket prices = less people going, plus from what I hear this week is mainly EXAM week for a lot of students, AND the others mainly opened in the BEGINNING of December instead of middle of December (if you go "but there were exams back then TOO!"). So with the others opening in the beginning of December, and this opening the week before (at least here) high school students have their mid-year exams... yeah, I can kind of see another major reason why it wouldn't do as well as the others when inflation's brought into the mix.

Also - in some locations the original trilogy... WAS in IMAX.

 

[Tony Stark]

I thought the film was excellent. I see how they are dividing the film, and I'm fine with it. The things that were added, didn't take away from the story at all.

What is sad, is that for those expecting the super happy but bitter sweet ending like Return of the King, are going to be dissapointed. This will be a tear jerker too, but for different reasons.

Armitage, made this film. With all due respect to John Rhys Davis, I didn't like that the Lord of the Rings, made Dwarves to be bumbing silly characters who are the but of every joke. Thorin, is the true definition of what a Dwarf should be, and I like both how the film establishes Thorin and Bilbo's relationship, and how he comes to respect Bilbo, but will obviously be tested in the next two films.

The performances are really what lifts these films. Martin Freeman does a superb job, and this was something that was sorely missed in the Lord of the Rings. Elija Woods did a good job in the Lord of the Rings, but he was really overshadowed by the other cast members. Freeman really establishes himself, and is much more empathetic than Woods was, and just holds up better against the other cast members.

the Hobbit was the fun and adventurous book, compared to the more serious Lord of the Rings, and in that respect I feel that this story lives up to that.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Tony...who was your fave dwarf besides Thorin?

 

[HowardStark]

Just read the Mojo article. http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3587&p=.htm

All you have to do is compare it to RotK to understand why it is slightly disappointing. 9 years, 3D, IMAX, a much shorter runtime. It didn't really come close to RotK in terms of attendance.

Its a sad thing when 84 million dollar opening weekend is considered a bomb opening. Considering the Titanic Opened To far Less Numbers and we know what happened there. The Hobbit has a fallowing and to be honest I never expected it to make ROTK numbers out of the gate. All films could make only 700 million each ww and Id be fine with it. As long as the movie is good and I enjoyed the Journey.

 

[HowardStark]

As far as Dwarfs go.

Balin.
Thorin
Bofur
Dwalin.

 

[Tony Stark]

Just read the Mojo article. http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3587&p=.htm

All you have to do is compare it to RotK to understand why it is slightly disappointing. 9 years, 3D, IMAX, a much shorter runtime. It didn't really come close to RotK in terms of attendance.

No but it had the same attendance as the two towers. You can't compare runtime of RoTK, to any other movie. 200min is practically unheard of. It was the third in the series, and people were excited to see the finale.

at 168min Hobbit UJ, is 10 min less than FOTR and TTT.

 

[kane9321]

Saw it in 3-D loved it...the first 25 mins or so was boring..but it picked up after that

 

[Tony Stark]

Tony...who was your fave dwarf besides Thorin?

Balin and Bofur, then probably Kili and Fili.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Economy = less people going, higher ticket prices = less people going, plus from what I hear this week is mainly EXAM week for a lot of students, AND the others mainly opened in the BEGINNING of December instead of middle of December (if you go "but there were exams back then TOO!"). So with the others opening in the beginning of December, and this opening the week before (at least here) high school students have their mid-year exams... yeah, I can kind of see another major reason why it wouldn't do as well as the others when inflation's brought into the mix.

Also - in some locations the original trilogy... WAS in IMAX.

LotR release dates.

FotR- Dec. 19
TTT- Dec. 18
RotK- Dec. 17



Did you check before you wrote that comment? I knew you had to be wrong, I still remember going for each opening day, or in RotK case, EE trilogy night.

And the economy stuff can't really apply when you look at how well a lot of the big films have done this year.

No but it had the same attendance as the two towers. You can't compare runtime of RoTK, to any other movie. 200min is practically unheard of. It was the third in the series, and people were excited to see the finale.

at 168min Hobbit UJ, is 10 min less than FOTR and TTT.

Article says it isn't sure it has the same attendance as TTT, which adds to the point. It didn't bomb or anything, it did very well. Just disappointing all things considered.

 

[C. Lee]

Just read the Mojo article. http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3587&p=.htm

All you have to do is compare it to RotK to understand why it is slightly disappointing. 9 years, 3D, IMAX, a much shorter runtime. It didn't really come close to RotK in terms of attendance.

I have never had the inclination to read any of the boxoffice sites. For me, there is no need. I personally do not care if a movie makes billions or a buck ninety-eight. They will not make me start liking nor start disliking a movie. I have loved many a movie that made next to nothing, and hated some box office kings. Whether or not someone can prove that one film has made more money than one made years before is simply a matter of mathematics...and depending upon if all of the variable were properly inputted, you can get any answer.....so it means nothing to me. I liked it no matter the amount it made.

The point of my post was....it's a pity that in the way of so many things in this day and age....the news that an an amount that was extremely high in anyone's reconning, is deemed not good enough by some. They can't simply say - wow, a lot of people liked this.....but instead say - meh, not as many as before.


The glass....is it half empty....half filled....or slightly cracked......

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

Balin and Bofur, then probably Kili and Fili.

Cool! Same as me. Im not alone.

 

[Tony Stark]

Its a sad thing when 84 million dollar opening weekend is considered a bomb opening. Considering the Titanic Opened To far Less Numbers and we know what happened there. The Hobbit has a fallowing and to be honest I never expected it to make ROTK numbers out of the gate. All films could make only 700 million each ww and Id be fine with it. As long as the movie is good and I enjoyed the Journey.

Forget Ray Subers, he's an idiot. BOM lost all credibility when they lost Brandon Gray.

This opened bigger than Avatar, which was a 3D IMAX Christmas opening. The big question will be how will it perform in week 2. Avatar drew the same audience for week 2, and I think Hobbit will have a very strong hold based on the other films.

The critics were way off on this film. While it may not be up to the Lord of the Rings, it's certainly not 66% bad. The cinimescore gave it a grade A, so this film will have legs, and the film will probably surpass The Dark Knight Rises for the no 2 spot domestically in 2012, and will certainly make 1billion world wide.

 

[hammerhedd11]

Just read the Mojo article. http://boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3587&p=.htm

All you have to do is compare it to RotK to understand why it is slightly disappointing. 9 years, 3D, IMAX, a much shorter runtime. It didn't really come close to RotK in terms of attendance.

While I agree the opening isn't fantastic as many were hoping, (especially considering inflation, 3D, all that jazz) but I don't think it's completely fair to compare it to ROTK. A long delayed prequel that has a much more relaxed, family friendly feel is simply not going to measure up to a much anticipated ending to a massively successful trilogy. Not that I'm singling you out or anything, I've just been seeing this comparison being made all over, and don't think it completely fits.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I have never had the inclination to read any of the boxoffice sites. For me, there is no need. I personally do not care if a movie makes billions or a buck ninety-eight. They will not make me start liking nor start disliking a movie. I have loved many a movie that made next to nothing, and hated some box office kings. Whether or not someone can prove that one film has made more money than one made years before is simply a matter of mathematics...and depending upon if all of the variable were properly inputted, you can get any answer.....so it means nothing to me. I liked it no matter the amount it made.

The point of my post was....it's a pity that in the way of so many things in this day and age....the news that an an amount that was extremely high in anyone's reconning, is deemed not good enough by some. They can't simply say - wow, a lot of people liked this.....but instead say - meh, not as many as before.


The glass....is it half empty....half filled....or slightly cracked......

Box office has nothing to do with quality to me. None at all. Dredd and Para-Norman are two examples from this season of films that did not do well, that I love. I just simply find it interesting.

And if you are going to look into the mechanics of this, that less people go is interesting to me. Especially if we see it pick up and do better business during the holiday season as word of mouth spreads to off-set any negative it being a prequel or possibly the lukewarm reviews may have had. I also wonder about repeat viewings, aka the sanctification of the moviegoers in general.

My sister and my niece, who loved the LotR, and have read the Hobbit, have no interest in this. But after seeing it I am going to suggest that they must. Probably going to take them actually.

 

[hammerhedd11]

LotR release dates.

FotR- Dec. 19
TTT- Dec. 18
RotK- Dec. 17



Did you check before you wrote that comment? I knew you had to be wrong, I still remember going for each opening day, or in RotK case, EE trilogy night.

And the economy stuff can't really apply when you look at how well a lot of the big films have done this year.



Article says it isn't sure it has the same attendance as TTT, which adds to the point. It didn't bomb or anything, it did very well. Just disappointing all things considered.

Especially considering that the biggest movie of all time (adjusted for inflation) came out during the depression.