Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 9

[nocomics]

I think I enjoyed Bilbo/Golem sequence the best as I enjoyed it the most from the books. Other than that I kind of thought the movie was so-so. I just couldn't get into it at all.
Maybe, when it comes out on Blu-ray I may enjoy it better seeing it more closely...

 

[TheVileOne]

I forget, are Ereborn and Moria/Khazad-Dum/Dwarrodelf one and the same or two different places?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Exactly



That's fine if people feel that way, I still think it's crying over something entirely small.

When you start adding up the scenes that simply feel like they eat up screen time, you suddenly realize it is a good 15-20 mins.

This conversation reminds me of those that see deleted scenes and go "that is only a couple of minutes. It should have been in the film", and that is when you start running into problems.

In a hour and a half movie. I wouldn't have complained about the scene but a 3 hour movie thats in dire need of some cutting, that scene needs to go. It's quite literally pointless, and to say oh its here to connect this to the other trilogy is a bad excuse. This movie doesn't need that scene to be connected. There's only one scene that was needed and that's Riddles in the Dark. Old Bilbo and Frodo was a poorly acted, awful dialogue, way too long scene in an already too long movie

Yep.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am starting to think 3 movies is not such a bad idea. I think he is secretly is putting in stuff to make the Hobbit not just a book adaptation but to make the LOTR a more complete six movie event. This extra movie version info is more interesting really and I liked seeing Weathertop used.

Where did that secret passage into Rivendall come from and why didn't Aragorn or Arwen used it when had Frodo.

You do realize this means all those things you have been saying about how this isn't LotR and people don't understand the material, go out the window right?

I forget, are Ereborn and Moria/Khazad-Dum/Dwarrodelf one and the same or two different places?

Erebor is no where near Moria. Moria is in the Misty Mountains. Where they were in this past film.

I must have been the only one that enjoyed Azog's design. Granted, the CGI was marginal but I thought Jackson pulled it off.

Design good. Typical, but good. Execution? Not as good.

 

[HowardStark]

You do realize this means all those things you have been saying about how this is LotR and people don't understand the material, go out the window right?



Erebor is no where near Moria. Moria is in the Misty Mountains. Where they were in this past film.

Well I never said The Hobbit would not connect to LOTR I have been saying there not the same movies and that is very true. Prequels are not the same a sequels. I guess I am trying to say the hobbit is PJ way of using all materials he can to make all 6 an event. This does not mean The Hobbit will equal LOTR but sure can certain emotionally improve things that happened in the Orginal Trilogy.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Well I never said The Hobbit would not connect to LOTR I have been saying there not the same movies and that is very true. Prequels are not the same a sequels. I guess I am trying to say the hobbit is PJ way of using all materials he can to make all 6 an event. This does not mean The Hobbit will equal LOTR but sure can certain emotionally improve things that happened in the Orginal Trilogy.

If all 6 films are one event, your point about it being "different" is inaccurate.

 

[Thundarr]

Just saw the movie yesterday. All in all, I give it an 8/10.

Unfortunately, it's not quite as good as the LOTR fims were. First of all, I found the addition of Azog completely unnecessary, obviously shoehorned in to drag a 250 page book out into another 9 to 12 hour trilogy. If that wasn't bad enough, he was obviously done 100% in CG, while the orcs and Uruk-Hai in LOTR were actors/stuntmen in costume/make up (which always looks so much better than CG). Had he been done with practical FX rather than CG, it would've been a 9/10.

The addition of Radagast The Brown also felt forced. Like Peter Jackson felt like his first trilogy was somehow missing something by omitting him, so he gets shoehorned into the prequel. What's next? Tom Bombadil in Part 2? Again, for me it cost the film marks. Not only was he unnecessarily forced into the story, but the CG of the sled chase with the warg riders looked fake.

However, despite its flaws, I still found The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey to be a fairly enjoyable film overall. Hense the 8/10.

 

[Marvolo]

I think Azog was a necessary role in this trilogy. The enemy has to have a head especially when it comes time for the Battle of the Five Armies. Whether it is Bolg or Azog there has to be an antagonist for our protagonists to go against. Even if it was one or two films I would say the same. The book might fare well without one, but these films are different beasts entirely.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I think Azog was a necessary role in this trilogy. The enemy has to have a head especially when it comes time for the Battle of the Five Armies. Whether it is Bolg or Azog there has to be an antagonist for our protagonists to go against. Even if it was one or two films I would say the same. The book might fare well without one, but these films are different beasts entirely.

The thing is, there is an enemy. Hell, each film already has an enemy. Goblin King, Smaug and Bolg. It isn't like some new was necessary, especially when it is handle such a clumsy manner.

 

[craigdbfan]

Clumsy? Not even close.

Azog fit pretty nicely and for me at least didn't feel jammed in. His rivalry and blood feud with Thorin worked incredibly well and having a constant lurking presence hunting down the group from early on kept a certain level of suspense that wouldn't of been possible with the other two villains without dramatically changing their roles for the film.

Jackson did the right thing here in my view.

 

[TheVileOne]

I just think they could've banged this all out in one movie or two shorter ones.

I think this movie could've easily been like 20 minutes shorter.

I guess its good for Tolkien fans who want all the extra stuff, but the story definitely took too long to get going. I enjoyed seeing all the things that led us directly into Fellowship, but for a theatrical cut I'm not sure it was necessary.

 

[Gianakin_]

I guess its good for Tolkien fans who want all the extra stuff

Not necessarily, believe you me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Clumsy? Not even close.

Azog fit pretty nicely and for me at least didn't feel jammed in. His rivalry and blood feud with Thorin worked incredibly well and having a constant lurking presence hunting down the group from early on kept a certain level of suspense that wouldn't of been possible with the other two villains without dramatically changing their roles for the film.

Jackson did the right thing here in my view.

Plenty clumsy. You just need to watch their two faces off to realize how forced it was. Blood feud, revenge, took my grandfather's head, took my arm, etc.

So I will just cut off your arm and let you cry and not finish you. And when I have you dead to rights I will wait for some deus ex machina to save you. Then there is Azog the Nazgul. Clumsy is the only real way to put it.

It is completely forced and thus clumsy.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

If you watch the hobbit and go back to watching the lord of the rings, you will notice every Hobbit reference vividly. It's a great transition.

 

[Marvolo]

Clumsy? Not even close.

Azog fit pretty nicely and for me at least didn't feel jammed in. His rivalry and blood feud with Thorin worked incredibly well and having a constant lurking presence hunting down the group from early on kept a certain level of suspense that wouldn't of been possible with the other two villains without dramatically changing their roles for the film.

Jackson did the right thing here in my view.

Agreed. The Goblin king was nowhere close to being an antagonist. It was blind luck him and the company crossed paths and he was dead10 minutes after his introduction. That isnt an antagonist so much as a mild annoyance. Plus, Gandalf who acts as a deus ex machina in this film kills the goblin king so his connection to Thorin is tenuous.

And as for Bolg I agree he could have easily been in this film in Azog's place, but we got Azog and Im guessing Thorin will get his revenge at some point. This will lead to Bolg seeking his own revenge against Thorin which will create some great tension. Two sons going at each others throats.

 

[HowardStark]

If all 6 films are one event, your point about it being "different" is inaccurate.

I am saying that is what jackson is trying to do. Not that I per say think it would be an event . The Hobbit 1 Is a great fantasy film but not per say LOTR. The Hobbit and LOTR can be seperate and good.

 

[HowardStark]

Agreed. The Goblin king was nowhere close to being an antagonist. It was blind luck him and the company crossed paths and he was dead10 minutes after his introduction. That isnt an antagonist so much as a mild annoyance. Plus, Gandalf who acts as a deus ex machina in this film kills the goblin king so his connection to Thorin is tenuous.

And as for Bolg I agree he could have easily been in this film in Azog's place, but we got Azog and Im guessing Thorin will get his revenge at some point. This will lead to Bolg seeking his own revenge against Thorin which will create some great tension. Two sons going at each others throats.

More to the fact the Stone Giants forced them as a minion said onto there front porch.

 

[HowardStark]

Agreed. The Goblin king was nowhere close to being an antagonist. It was blind luck him and the company crossed paths and he was dead10 minutes after his introduction. That isnt an antagonist so much as a mild annoyance. Plus, Gandalf who acts as a deus ex machina in this film kills the goblin king so his connection to Thorin is tenuous.

And as for Bolg I agree he could have easily been in this film in Azog's place, but we got Azog and Im guessing Thorin will get his revenge at some point. This will lead to Bolg seeking his own revenge against Thorin which will create some great tension. Two sons going at each others throats.

Which One is Suppose to be killed by Boern.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Agreed. The Goblin king was nowhere close to being an antagonist. It was blind luck him and the company crossed paths and he was dead10 minutes after his introduction. That isnt an antagonist so much as a mild annoyance. Plus, Gandalf who acts as a deus ex machina in this film kills the goblin king so his connection to Thorin is tenuous.

And as for Bolg I agree he could have easily been in this film in Azog's place, but we got Azog and Im guessing Thorin will get his revenge at some point. This will lead to Bolg seeking his own revenge against Thorin which will create some great tension. Two sons going at each others throats.

That is about how he was written. It is also unfair to talk about deus ex machina, when Azog was thwarted by Gandalf and the eagles.

I now doubt Azog will not make the last film. If they were going to slay him, it would have been in that scene imo.

 

[HowardStark]

Well somebody Has To lead whatever big army that causes Elves Dwarfs and Men to team up and they still need The Eagles too win.

 

[craigdbfan]

Agreed. The Goblin king was nowhere close to being an antagonist. It was blind luck him and the company crossed paths and he was dead10 minutes after his introduction. That isnt an antagonist so much as a mild annoyance. Plus, Gandalf who acts as a deus ex machina in this film kills the goblin king so his connection to Thorin is tenuous.

And as for Bolg I agree he could have easily been in this film in Azog's place, but we got Azog and Im guessing Thorin will get his revenge at some point. This will lead to Bolg seeking his own revenge against Thorin which will create some great tension. Two sons going at each others throats.

That's how I feel about it too. It worked out pretty nicely.

 

[moviedoors]

Saw it with my mom. The first thing she said when it was over was they should've cut old Bilbo and Frodo. It kills the pacing right out of the gate.

 

[Vartha]

Saw it with my mom. The first thing she said when it was over was they should've cut old Bilbo and Frodo. It kills the pacing right out of the gate.

Well the order in the way the movies were made it works for me as is, BUT, if Jackson's smart enough, he'd have a version where you can watch without the Bilbo/Frodo scenes

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I cant wait for the EE...Im hoping that besides adding the extra scenes, Jackson has touched up on the CGI. I saw an interview where both Ian McKellen and Peter said that the EE is done.

 

[Vartha]

I cant wait for the EE...Im hoping that besides adding the extra scenes, Jackson has touched up on the CGI. I saw an interview where both Ian McKellen and Peter said that the EE is done.

Yeah I can't wait to see the extras. I missed alot of PJ's blogs lol