Official 'The Hobbit' Thread - Part 9

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I've seen it twice now, so here's my review (SPOILER warning):

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] The film opens a bit slowly, and the mention of the Sackville-Bagginses seems wholly self-indulgent and unnecessary, but I did not mind it as much the second time around. The resemblance between Ian Holm and Martin Freeman is uncanny, and really helps establish a strong connection between LOTR and the Hobbit right off the bat.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] Once we get into the actual story, things really pick up. The first scenes where Gandalf meets Bilbo at the door and where the Dwarves arrive are all brilliantly executed. Freeman and McKellen play off of each other really well, and I love Freeman's very Bilboish hints to both Gandalf and the Dwarves that they should leave. Once the Dwarves start singing about the Misty Mountains Cold, you can see Bilbo is getting hooked by that old Tookish desire to go adventuring - I only wish they lingered a bit more on this crucial moment. Maybe in the Extended Edition there will be more to the song.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] The troll sequence is wonderful, and has just the right balance of humor in it. Jackson and co. could have thrown in a few fart jokes and it would have really destroyed the scene, but thankfully they resisted that temptation. The trolls turning to stone in the exact position that they are found in the FOTR EE was a nice touch.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] Radagast is a fun and lovable character, but I feel his introduction is a bit overlong, and I hate to say that it really feels as if his character is responsible for much of the early dragging in the film. The bit with the Hedgehogs and the Spiders was a bit unnecessary, and I actually feel like seeing the Spiders in daylight undermines their scariness a bit.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] The orc attack so close to Rivendell bothered me a bit, as did seeing warg scouts so close to the Shire in the earlier scenes. The books give one the impression that orcs don't dare to (nor are usually able) to venture that close to the Shire due to the Hobbits being protected by the Dunedain Rangers, like Aragorn.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] Then we come to Rivendell. This is, I am afraid, the weakest part of the movie for me on both viewings. Whereas some of you may feel the White Council was an unnecessary and boring addition, I was really looking forward to it. But it was a bit disappointingly executed. For one thing, the script here could have used some fine tuning. Instead of an interesting and nuanced discussion, we find Saruman brow-beating Gandalf and Gandalf profusely apologizing like a child. Then we get the reveal of the Morgul Blade which was supposedly "buried deep with Angmar in the earth" when no such thing happens in the Tolkien mythos, and when this seems to really undermine the Angmar prophecy about his death. Then we get Galadriel asking why Gandalf chose the halfling, and Gandalf says "I don't really know." Eh, I prefer my Gandalf to know exactly why he is doing what he is doing, and to be rather confident in his ages of wisdom that what he is doing is right. Every character in this scene came off as weaker and stupider than they should have, except for Galadriel.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] The Stone Giants sequence I felt was a bit much the first time I watched it, what with the company being on the Giant's leg and all, but I enjoyed it a lot more the second time around.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] Next highlight of the film: the Goblin Town. Everything here was executed perfectly, from the nasty and vile Great Goblin to Bilbo's encounter with Gollum for a riddle-game. Gandalf's entrance was epic. Bilbo's choice not to kill Gollum was epic (and the soundtrack features the same theme that plays when Gandalf tells Frodo in Moria about Bilbo taking pity on Gollum!). Really it is hard to find any problems with this sequence whatsoever.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] Bilbo's speech to the Dwarves was wonderful. The climax of the film is a bit disappointing to me in a few ways though. For one, it is an anti-climax. It would have been better I think to have Thorin kill Azog here. Then the goblins from the mountains could arrive, forcing Gandalf to call the Eagles. Instead, we get Thorin marching down the tree to the Mordor / Nazgul theme (takes me out of the moment every time) and then thrown about. The important part, of course, is Bilbo's heroism to save Thorin, and make no mistake... while Thorin is a major character, I have decided that on repeat viewings it is clear Bilbo is focally the main character of the story.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] Another problem with the closing sequence: the trees falling are almost cartoonish. The setting seems too small and confined. One of the great things about the Amon Hen sequence at the end of FOTR was its sense of scale - a wide forest, little ruins everywhere, Uruk-Hai all about. Here the setting is basically a tree dangling off the edge of a cliff - it is a nice action scene I suppose, but it doesn't feel like the climax that it could have been.

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] The Eagles bear the company away. Here it would have been nice to get an explanation (like in the book!) of why the Eagles won't take them all the way to the Lonely Mountain. Instead, we are left with a gaping plot hole. I understand that making the Eagles talk would be almost impossible, given that they have beaks, but they could screech and Gandalf could translate if need be. I mean, I guy can talk to a freaking moth, so I think he could handle saying "Oh by the way, the Eagles mentioned they can only take us this far."

[FONT=&quot]§[/FONT] Overall, the film is very fun. I think the final sequence is so underwhelming it left a bad taste in my mouth the first time around, but on a second viewing, the earlier scenes solidified for me that this is a really solid film. With a better ending, it could have been much greater.

8/10

Overall:

I think the film captured the fun of the book quite well, and it captured the three central characters (Bilbo, Thorin, Gandalf) perfectly. Those were the most important things, and the positives in these areas far outweigh the films few shortcomings, like some overlong sequences and some occasionally poor CGI.

Stuff to Watch For on Repeat Viewings:

- Almost all the Dwarves get a speaking role at some point, except for Bombur, who never speaks once.
- Radagast mentions Ungoliant, the Giant Mother of all Spiders who is featured in the Silmarillion.
- Radagast is attacked by a bat briefly as he flees Dol Guldur (its a blink and you'll miss it moment). Bats join the Goblin Army in the Battle of Five Armies at the end of The Hobbit.
- When the Eagles land the company on the high rock at the end of the film, the rock is shaped like a Giant Bear, foreshadowing Beorn.
 
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[QUOTE="_____";24908037]Im wondering how much extra will be included on the extended addition[/URL][/QUOTE]

Here are some guesses based in no information whatsoever:

- Longer prologue material.
- Longer "Far Over the Misty Mountains Cold" song.
- In the book, Bilbo has a love for maps and takes special interest in Thorin's. Maybe some of this will be clearer in the EE.
- I suspect there will be more Dol Guldur stuff, perhaps with Radagast.
- Longer White Council sequence. Perhaps an Arwen cameo?
- Longer Gollum / Bilbo riddles sequence. Several riddles were left out, and the one about Time was shortened by some verses.
- Gandalf conversing with the Eagles?
- Rumored Legolas cameo in Unexpected Journey?
- Gandalf visiting Dol Guldur? Finding Thrain?

[The last two may have been moved to the next film.]
 
[QUOTE="_____";24908037]Im wondering how much extra will be included on the extended addition
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Jackson said 25-30 minutes right after the Hobbit Part 1 came out.
 
*claps hands together* I can't wait for the EE. When does it come out?

Earlier this year WB leaked info on a 2013 Q4 EE blu-ray release. That coincides with the previous films EEs which came out one year after the films theatrical release. Expect it sometime in November or December 2013.
 
Was the Legolas cameo to be in this film or perhaps it will come about again later?
 
I think there was a rumored cameo in part 1 with a more substantial role in the later parts. He will be in the Mirkwood arc and in the Battle of Five Armies.
 
The only scene I felt was truly superfluous was the stone giants. I took a bathroom break there for my second viewing.

Even when I read that scene at 12 years of age I didn't take it literally. I always took it in the same kind of way one might say angels are bowling during a thunderstorm. The comic adaptation was the first literal depiction I ever saw, and Jackson made it waaaaay too literal.

I agree...that was literally the ONLY scene I didn't care for in the film.
 
The only scene I felt was truly superfluous was the stone giants. I took a bathroom break there for my second viewing.

Even when I read that scene at 12 years of age I didn't take it literally. I always took it in the same kind of way one might say angels are bowling during a thunderstorm. The comic adaptation was the first literal depiction I ever saw, and Jackson made it waaaaay too literal.

Same here. I never actually thought there were stone giants hurtling rocks. I always took it as a bad thunderstorm that bilbo took as giants battling. The way the ancients thought thunderstorms were the gods battling.

It was a cool scene but way too literal and stuck out like a sore thumb.
 
That stone giant scene probably wouldn't have made the final cut had it still been two movies.
 
I would've accepted such a change. Let's face it, other than Thorin, Balin, and Bombur, the rest had almost no individual lines of dialogue. They were there simply because a company of thirteen seems more appropriate for the story than a company of four or five. It works well enough on the page where the author has the power to guide you to exactly which part of the story being told, but it's more noticeable and jarring in a medium like film that uses cinematic space that some of the characters along for the ride are doing nothing.

And Gloin, the old one. He narrated Thorin's background.
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If Moria is taken before The Hobbit, why does Gimli think its inhabited by dwarves in FotR?
 
And Gloin, the old one. He narrated Thorin's background.
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If Moria is taken before The Hobbit, why does Gimli think its inhabited by dwarves in FotR?
Someone is free to correct me if I'm wrong on this (been awhile since I've read the books), but doesn't one of the dwarves (Balin?) go back AFTER the events of the Hobbit to try and retake it and it's that event that Gimli's assumption stems from?
 
Someone is free to correct me if I'm wrong on this (been awhile since I've read the books), but doesn't one of the dwarves (Balin?) go back AFTER the events of the Hobbit to try and retake it and it's that event that Gimli's assumption stems from?

Yes, Balin retakes it. His tomb is the one Gimli weeps over.

Given that Balin is currently with Thorin Oakenshield, the retaking of Moria occurs between the Hobbit and LOTR. When they retake Moria, they accidentally awaken the Balrog.
 
Someone is free to correct me if I'm wrong on this (been awhile since I've read the books), but doesn't one of the dwarves (Balin?) go back AFTER the events of the Hobbit to try and retake it and it's that event that Gimli's assumption stems from?

Correct. Balin, Gloin, and Ori I think it was go back to Moria. It is Balin's tomb and Ori's book that the Fellowship find. If I'm also not mistaken Gimli did not yet know his father had fallen in Moria with Balin.
 
Correct. Balin, Gloin, and Ori I think it was go back to Moria. It is Balin's tomb and Ori's book that the Fellowship find. If I'm also not mistaken Gimli did not yet know his father had fallen in Moria with Balin.

No, Gloin appears with Gimli in Rivendell at the Council of Elrond. He does not die in Moria.
 
No, Gloin appears with Gimli in Rivendell at the Council of Elrond. He does not die in Moria.

Ah, yes, that is right. Balin went back to Moria with Flói, Óin, Ori, Frár, Lóni, Náli. I was thinking of Oin.
 
So how did the dwarves awaken the Balrog exactly? And how did it get there?
 
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