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The Question said:
1) So?

2) You do realise that Fox news is INCREDIBLY biased. So, it's not always a very acurate source for news. Just saying.

3) I thought we were tryong to get back on topic.


FOX is just a bias as the other news networks. But tell me...why won't CNN, ABC , NBC etc, tell us the about the progress?? What are they afraid of?? I hear about car bombs and body counts on FOX. But...... I also hear about the good stuff too. That's true journalism.

So the only "incredible" thing about FOX's bias is that they "incredibly" give you both sides.

That's a good thing.
 
The Question said:
No, it's not the same thing. We were helping Britain, a long time ally, when it was being atacked by an enemy force. And, we didn't do this until after we had been atacked ourselves. So, no, it really isn't the same thing.

How the help came is irrelevent. Why the help came does not matter. It came!! And if not for us, Millar might be born.

Plus the fact that our "inaction" in world affairs, at that time, seems to be lost upon you. WE should have gotten involved sooner! Pacifists like Chamberlain and Joe Kennedy got our butts lulled to sleep and contributed to our getting caught off guard at Pearl Harbor. "Keep Hitler contained", they said. "Give him territory and he'll be happy", they said. Sound familiar??

We might not have needed an A-Bomb if we had listened to Churchill. He knew Hitler was monster and we would not act.

So we learn from history, son. That's why we take action now. We take out the maniac if the intel and the maniacs track record shows that we need to. That's Saddam.

The Taliban would beat women in the streets for no reason. The koran says you can beat women. They shot homosexuals in the soccer stadium or pulled brick walls down on them because they were homosexuals. The blew up buddhist temples. They harbored Al-Queda. All in the name of Jihad. Thus both had to taken out.


How was this mishandled? :confused:
 
How the help came is irrelevent. Why the help came does not matter. It came!! And if not for us, Millar might be born


oops!

I meant he might not be born.
 
But hey....


Doesn't Tony Stark have Bio-body armor????


The bullet should not hurt him. Plus he has a liquor bottle right next to his hand.


I see him clocking that witch in the head, getting Cap out the hole and finding Bruce Banner.
 
celldog said:
But hey....


Doesn't Tony Stark have Bio-body armor????


The bullet should not hurt him. Plus he has a liquor bottle right next to his hand.


I see him clocking that witch in the head, getting Cap out the hole and finding Bruce Banner.


And Thor, too.
 
Your right, a bullet will not hurt Stark. Black Widow may not know that Tony has Bio-Armor.
 
Wolverazio said:
Okay, so someone help me.

Last page...who are all the villains we're seeing?

I know Loki and Crimson Dynamo, obviously.

Man who stole the thunder, unknown (I imagine).

Is the large one Abomination? (as many have guessed).

And what about demon head and the near all white ones?

Or don't we know?


The guy who stole the thunder is Perun, a Rusiian super soldier modeled after the Russian storm god. The large one is assumed by most to be the Abomination. We have no idea who the other three are.
 
celldog said:
FOX is just a bias as the other news networks. But tell me...why won't CNN, ABC , NBC etc, tell us the about the progress?? What are they afraid of?? I hear about car bombs and body counts on FOX. But...... I also hear about the good stuff too. That's true journalism.

So the only "incredible" thing about FOX's bias is that they "incredibly" give you both sides.

That's a good thing.


There still very biased. They just have a bias you agree with. But there are far from objective journolists. Hell, alot of what they say is pure opinion.
 
celldog said:
How the help came is irrelevent. Why the help came does not matter. It came!! And if not for us, Millar might be born.

Plus the fact that our "inaction" in world affairs, at that time, seems to be lost upon you. WE should have gotten involved sooner! Pacifists like Chamberlain and Joe Kennedy got our butts lulled to sleep and contributed to our getting caught off guard at Pearl Harbor. "Keep Hitler contained", they said. "Give him territory and he'll be happy", they said. Sound familiar??

We might not have needed an A-Bomb if we had listened to Churchill. He knew Hitler was monster and we would not act.

So we learn from history, son. That's why we take action now. We take out the maniac if the intel and the maniacs track record shows that we need to. That's Saddam.

The Taliban would beat women in the streets for no reason. The koran says you can beat women. They shot homosexuals in the soccer stadium or pulled brick walls down on them because they were homosexuals. The blew up buddhist temples. They harbored Al-Queda. All in the name of Jihad. Thus both had to taken out.


How was this mishandled? :confused:



1) Hitler was an active threat. Sadam wasn't. The two situations are still very different. Sadam didn't have WMDs. All the investigations after we invaded have shown that our inteligence was wrong and he had no WMDs.

2) Afganistan was mishandeled because we focused too much on the taliban themselves. Yes, they were harboring the guys who atacked us. But we should have gone after those guys first and worried about the Taliban second. We could have gotten Bin Laden. He was right there. But we overthrew the Taliban and gave him and his higher ups time to get away.

3) America can't just go around liberating other countries. We can't. We can't just destroy an entire government just because we don't like how it's run. That is using our power irrisponsibly. No country has the right to decide what is best for the entire world.

4) I thought we were trying to get back on topic. So, from now on, let's just drop the bloody subject. Please.
 
iloveclones said:
Guys, what do you not understand about shut up?


I know. I'm sorry. I'm trying. But, it's just hard not to say anything. From now on, no matter what, I'll drop it.


So, how do you guys think Cap is going to get out of jail to help save the day? I mean, it wouldn't be the climax to a major story without Cap.
 
Yes. Let's. I'm sorry that thi got so out of hand. Anyway, back on topic.....


I'm thinking that Tony is probably going to get free from Natasha (somehow), free Cap, Thor, and mabey Hawkeye if he can be found, and they'll save th day.
 
I think the obvious choice is Tony ( to release Cap and Thor that is). They didn't show him getting offed.

Also, and this would be a stretch, but I don't think it's a slam dunk that Jarvis is dead. I could be that he was grazed on the side of the head/ear. It's doubtful, but I think the frame was drawn to be just misleading enough to leave that door open. Of course, that means the Black Widow isn't that great of a shot. But what the heck, she's half naked, I'll give her a break!
 
iloveclones said:
I think the obvious choice is Tony ( to release Cap and Thor that is). They didn't show him getting offed.

Also, and this would be a stretch, but I don't think it's a slam dunk that Jarvis is dead. I could be that he was grazed on the side of the head/ear. It's doubtful, but I think the frame was drawn to be just misleading enough to leave that door open. Of course, that means the Black Widow isn't that great of a shot. But what the heck, she's half naked, I'll give her a break!
You can clearly see that Jarvis got drilled right smack in the middle of his forehead. That ain't no flesh wound. So unless he's a gay robot butler, he's toast.
 
Well, you know how Mark Millar loves fore shadowing. Remember in issue one, when it showed that soldier beiong shot through the head and nto having as much as a scratch? Well, at first I thought that was WWII Wolverine, but mabey it was a young Jarvis, and he's some kind of mutant or something. I know it's a bit far fetched, but it's possible.
 
The Question said:
Well, you know how Mark Millar loves fore shadowing. Remember in issue one, when it showed that soldier beiong shot through the head and nto having as much as a scratch? Well, at first I thought that was WWII Wolverine, but mabey it was a young Jarvis, and he's some kind of mutant or something. I know it's a bit far fetched, but it's possible.
Haha. A bullet through the brainpan isn't 'foreshadowing', it's payoff.
 
demento said:
You can clearly see that Jarvis got drilled right smack in the middle of his forehead. That ain't no flesh wound. So unless he's a gay robot butler, he's toast.

Look at the entry wound and the blood splatter.(I can't believe I'm doing this) Even taking into account the weird angle of the panel, BW would have to be on a bunk-bed to get that angle. That mark on the top of his head could be a wrinkle/dimple. You're probably right, I just wanted to put it out there to see of anyone might have thought this (nobody liked snarky gay Jarvis, anyway)
 
iloveclones said:
Look at the entry wound and the blood splatter.(I can't believe I'm doing this) Even taking into account the weird angle of the panel, BW would have to be on a bunk-bed to get that angle. That mark on the top of his head could be a wrinkle/dimple. You're probably right, I just wanted to put it out there to see of anyone might have thought this (nobody liked snarky gay Jarvis, anyway)
I thought he was great comic relief. Maybe he has a snarky gay nephew that will inherit his job now that he's been ventilated. ;)
 
I liked him. He just wasn't around enough for most to get to like him.
 
The Question said:
I liked him. He just wasn't around enough for most to get to like him.
You ever see Regarding Henry, the Harrison Ford movie where he plays a prick of an attorney who gets shot in the head and becomes a swell guy? Maybe that's where this is going... ;)
 
celldog said:
This in from Fox News..


Al Qaeda Backfires in Jordan

Friday, December 09, 2005
By James Phillips
ARCHIVE
•Al Qaeda Backfires in Jordan

Terrorist acts generally backfire.

For example, Afghanistan’s Taliban government supported Usama bin Laden until the 9/11 attacks. In the aftermath of those strikes, the American military swiftly overthrew the Taliban with the help of many Afghans who were fed up with its harsh rule.

On Nov. 9, Jordanians were outraged by Al Qaeda’s latest atrocity. On that day, Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's “Al Qaeda in Iraq” terrorist network bombed three hotels in Amman, Jordan, killing 57 people. By indiscriminately attacking fellow Muslims, Al Qaeda may have stripped the sheen from its image, lessening the appeal of extremism among younger Muslims, at least in Jordan.

Zarqawi’s organization has roots in Jordan, but it recruited four Iraqi suicide bombers — including a husband-and-wife team — to execute the attacks, perhaps to preserve its Jordanian members for future attacks inside that country. The woman’s bomb failed to explode, and she was later captured.

The operational shortcomings of the bombings were accompanied by political miscalculations. Many Jordanians have long supported suicide bombings against Israel and against U.S. and coalition forces in Iraq. Zarqawi was a local hero to Jordanian Islamic militants. Even some Jordanians who did not share his radical ideology were impressed by his high profile-attacks inside Iraq.

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But the Amman bombings, which slaughtered dozens of Jordanian men, women and children who were celebrating a wedding, outraged Jordanians of all stripes. Jordan’s Palestinian majority, which might have reacted with schadenfreude toward an attack that targeted King Abdullah’s government (resented since its 1994 peace treaty with Israel) were shocked by the deaths of the many Palestinians who perished in the bombings. For several days after the bombings, Jordanians took to the streets to participate in large demonstrations, shouting, “Burn in hell, al-Zarqawi.”

The deliberate targeting of Jordanian Muslims reportedly dismayed even Al Qaeda supporters in Iraq. A relative of one of the bombers complained to a Washington Post reporter, “We were shocked when we saw on TV the number of civilians killed in the operation because we thought the killed would be Americans and Jews, but they were Muslims, regretfully.”

Several radical Islamic websites that normally celebrate Al Qaeda’s terrorist attacks are now replete with criticism of the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent Muslims. This criticism echoes the gentle reproach of Zarqawi’s brutal tactics delivered in a July 2005 letter to Zarqawi from Ayman al-Zawahiri, Usama bin Laden’s chief lieutenant. Zawahiri cautioned Zarqawi that popular support is important for realizing Al Qaeda’s long-term goals and that “more than half of this battle is taking place in the battlefield of the media.”

Zarqawi clearly has disregarded Zawahiri’s advice. Like many of the “Afghan Arabs” who returned from the jihad in Afghanistan in the early 1990s and unsuccessfully tried to import the jihad into their home countries, Zarqawi’s bloodthirsty zeal, when inflicted on fellow Muslims, has undermined the appeal of his revolutionary ideology. Similarly overzealous mistakes triggered a popular backlash that led to the defeat of radical Islamic movements in Egypt and Algeria in the 1990s.

This isn’t the first time Zarqawi has attempted to attack a site in his home country. He grew up in a suburb of the Jordanian city of Zarqa as Ahmad Fadhil Nazzar Khalaylah and took the nom de guerre Zarqawi, “the man from Zarqa.” He was involved in the failed millennium bombing plot in 1999 (which targeted the same Radisson hotel bombed this month).

In October 2002, Zarqawi’s group murdered American diplomat Laurence Foley in Amman. In April 2004, Jordanian authorities averted Zarqawi’s planned bombing of Jordan’s intelligence headquarters and other buildings. That attack reportedly also would have included the use of poisonous chemicals, one of Zarqawi’s specialties.

In 2001, he fled Afghanistan through Iran, apparently with the cooperation of the Iranian government, and set up operations in Iraq with the suspected support of Saddam Hussein’s regime. In 2004, Zarqawi merged his group with bin Laden’s and was named the leader of Al Qaeda in Iraq. Although he still has ideological differences with bin Laden, including a fierce hostility to Shiites that has led his group to bomb Shiite mosques in Iraq, Zarqawi now ranks second only to bin Laden in the eyes of many Sunni Islamic extremists.

Zarqawi has developed a strong network among Arab Muslims living in Europe, particularly in Germany, Britain, Italy, France and Spain. This network may have been involved in the May 2003 bombings in Casablanca, Morocco, and the November 2003 bombings in Istanbul, Turkey. Zarqawi’s followers, many of whom hold European Union passports, pose a growing threat to the United States.

If he can establish a sanctuary in Iraq, Zarqawi’s branch of Al Qaeda will become a much bigger threat. That’s why it’s so important to help the Iraqi government defeat terrorists that threaten it, its neighbors and even the United States.

The only silver lining in the dark cloud of Al Qaeda’s Nov. 9 bombing is that it has awakened Jordanians and possibly a few other Muslims about the urgent need to defeat al Qaeda.

James Phillips is a research fellow in Middle Eastern studies in the Davis Institute for International Studies at The Heritage Foundation.


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Hey, let's talk comics enough of this War/Iraq crap! I've been there, I lived it! have you? have any of you? yes/no?

So shut the ****! up! I got off this subject a while ago, and you all won't stop! Let's talk Comics! damnit.:mad: :down :ghost:
 
Maybe you'd like to comment on Jarvis' degree of deadness, Deemar. C'mon, it will make you feel better.
 
I apologize everyone but that celldog guy got on my last nerve.:up:
 
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