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deemar325 said:
I can accept your arguement, good points. I just can't let go of my hang ups, I've seen to much.:(


It's okay. War does stuff to people. Hopefully, our forces will be out of Iraq within the next few years and we can put all of this behind us.
 
The Question said:
It's okay. War does stuff to people. Hopefully, our forces will be out of Iraq within the next few years and we can put all of this behind us.

Yeah *sigh* oneday, oneday..

Anyway I can't believe what happened in ULTIMATES2#9, this will be a movie one day and I mean live action.:up:
 
Hell yeah. This was epic. Still, how are they gonna get out of this one? I mean, a bunch of other countries have pooled their forces to cripple the U.S. My guess is that The Ultimates will fight back, and somehow this will lead to S.H.E.I.L.D. being an international organization, and the superhuman defence initiatives of various countries banding together in a NATO like fasion.
 
The Question said:
So, you're saying that we invaded a country to prevent them from having something we have in abundance.

[B]Yep. Wouldn't you want to keep knives out of Charlie Manson's hands even if you owned a set?? There's a reason why some folk need to be restricted. Prove yourselve a good neighbor...then we can trust you! Just a fact of life, bub.[/B]

Yeah. And Islam also considers itself an extention of Christianity and Judeism. They actually consoder Jesus to have been a wise man. Also, Jesus never intened to form Christianity.

[B]Not true. He gives his apostles to go and spread his gospel to all men and women teach them what he had taught them. (Matthew 28:18-20) He died AD 33. Penetcost took place roughly 40 days after that (Acts 1). That was the birth of the Chruch in Acts 2.[/B] Not 40 years....

That happened about 40 years after he died. The church has commited horrible acts, and even today has it's own extremests like Pat Robertson. Yes, he doesn't commit suicide bombings, but he does want to take away people's rights and set the country back over 100 years. Also, you say that the KKK aren't truely Christians.


Robertson is a nut job. But who's rights has he taken? And you're right he hasn't suicide bombed anyone....and he never will. Wanna know why?? Because has at his core, beliefs that will not allow him to do that. He makes my head hurt. but he's not gonna hurt anyone.


That's correct. They are not following Jesus' teachings. Even Jesus said those that don't obey me I don't know them. Jesus go to any lynchings that you know of?

Well, the Muslim extremests who suicide bomb kindergardens aren't truely Muslim either.

But they are doing what Muhammed did! How can you say that? Attacking the Infidel. they don't care if the infidel is a kid.


Most Muslims don't asociate themselves with those extremest wack jobs, just like most Christians don't asociate themselves with the KKK.


Just can't let go of that KKK thing huh?? You stare into the face of logic and still hold on to something faulty at it's core. Are they following Jesus' teachings? Do you even know what he taught....maybe I'm taking too much for granted here.



The Christians led crusades to "conquer the infadels" for decades. They tried to "convert the heathens" and wiped out entire cultures. And you know what, Islam, like I said earlyer, recognizes Jesus and is considered to be an extention of Christianity and Judeism.

Again..if you gotta go back that far, the church is doing pretty good. Remember the London bombings? Bali last month? Paris was burning last month??? 911??? See...I don't have to dig into the history books to find Islamic aggression for today. I can open my newspaper today and find something. That's sayin' somethin' you don't want to come to grips with. It's gonna take one of those nut jobs taking something precious from you for you finally see. They don't care how much you simpathize with them. You are the infidel....period. End of story.


Most Muslims don't do that. It's only the extremests who do that. You act as if every Muslim on the planet wants to suicide bomb you. Dude, I think that PC stuff does go too far some times, but the reason it exists in the first place is because of people saying stuff like this.


Stats show that one percent engage in this kind of agressive behavior. 1.3 Billion pratice this religion. You do the math. That's too many.
 
deemar325 said:
I can accept your arguement, good points. I just can't let go of my hang ups, I've seen to much.:(


Too much what??:confused:
 
celldog said:
.Yep. Wouldn't you want to keep knives out of Charlie Manson's hands even if you owned a set?? There's a reason why some folk need to be restricted. Prove yourselve a good neighbor...then we can trust you! Just a fact of life, bub.

If we keep the weapons out of the hands of people we don't trust, why do we need to have them ourselves? Also, we don't take weapons away from people until they actually try to hurt someone with them. Iraq wasn't doing anything with any WMDs.


celldog said:
Robertson is a nut job. But who's rights has he taken? And you're right he hasn't suicide bombed anyone....and he never will. Wanna know why?? Because has at his core, beliefs that will not allow him to do that. He makes my head hurt. but he's not gonna hurt anyone.

Robertson is trying to take people's rights away. He hasn't succeded, but he's working on it.

celldog said:
But they are doing what Muhammed did! How can you say that? Attacking the Infidel. they don't care if the infidel is a kid.

Muhamed didn't suicide bomb people. The extremests twist the teachings of Islam to suit their needs.



celldog said:
Again..if you gotta go back that far, the church is doing pretty good. Remember the London bombings? Bali last month? Paris was burning last month??? 911??? See...I don't have to dig into the history books to find Islamic aggression for today. I can open my newspaper today and find something. That's sayin' somethin' you don't want to come to grips with. It's gonna take one of those nut jobs taking something precious from you for you finally see. They don't care how much you simpathize with them. You are the infidel....period. End of story.



You cannot blame an entire religion for the acts of a set of extremests. It was Islamic extremests who did all that stuff. Most Muslims do not asociate themselves with the extremests or consider the extremests to be true muslims. The muslin extremests are doing exactly what the Christian extremests do. They twist the teachings of their religion to suit them.
 
Seriously, let's just drop this. It's getting kind of rediculous.


The Question said:
Hell yeah. This was epic. Still, how are they gonna get out of this one? I mean, a bunch of other countries have pooled their forces to cripple the U.S. My guess is that The Ultimates will fight back, and somehow this will lead to S.H.E.I.L.D. being an international organization, and the superhuman defence initiatives of various countries banding together in a NATO like fasion.


So, any thoughts on this theory?
 
The Question said:
Hell yeah. This was epic. Still, how are they gonna get out of this one? I mean, a bunch of other countries have pooled their forces to cripple the U.S. My guess is that The Ultimates will fight back, and somehow this will lead to S.H.E.I.L.D. being an international organization, and the superhuman defence initiatives of various countries banding together in a NATO like fasion.

That's a very plausible out come.:up: What will become of Fury? That's my guy.
 
I think he'll be discharged from the military due to his failure to prevent the atack in issue 9, but may get a job on the U.N. security council as the American representative for the newly international S.H.E.I.L.D.
 
The Question said:
I think he'll be discharged from the military due to his failure to prevent the atack in issue 9, but may get a job on the U.N. security council as the American representative for the newly international S.H.E.I.L.D.

Has anyone noticed that the ****e hit the fan on the 9th Issue? Millar rubbing it in our faces.:mad:
 
Oh. Well, I hardly think it was intentional. It was probably just a coincidence.
 
It probably is. I mean, Mark Millar can be a tad offensive, but he wouldn't do something like that intentionally.
 
The Question said:
It probably is. I mean, Mark Millar can be a tad offensive, but he wouldn't do something like that intentionally.


What? You know him or something??
 
No, I'm just saying I don't think he'd be enough of an ******* to do that intentionally.
 
If we keep the weapons out of the hands of people we don't trust, why do we need to have them ourselves? Also, we don't take weapons away from people until they actually try to hurt someone with them. Iraq wasn't doing anything with any WMDs.

Are you kidding? No.....you're not. That's the scary part.


Afraid of ourselves?? A country that has on more than one occasion liberated millions?? Fed millions???

I'm too through with this. You just keep talkin' in circles.
Now we're the Hitlers!!
 
celldog said:
If we keep the weapons out of the hands of people we don't trust, why do we need to have them ourselves? Also, we don't take weapons away from people until they actually try to hurt someone with them. Iraq wasn't doing anything with any WMDs.

Are you kidding? No.....you're not. That's the scary part.


Afraid of ourselves?? A country that has on more than one occasion liberated millions?? Fed millions???

I'm too through with this. You just keep talkin' in circles. Now we're the Hitlers!!


.....I have no idea what you just said.
 
Seriously, let's drop this. At first it was somewhat interesting, but now I have a headache.



Back on topic:


The whole number nine thing was probably just a coincidence. I mean, I didn't even get it until Deemar pointed it out. It's very likely that Millar didn't notice it either.
 
I would be surprised if no one at Marvel noticed and said something about it. I can't say if it was intentional or not but they probably had to decide if they wanted to stay true to the story or compromise and tip toe accross the subject. Should we continue to treat the issue with "kid gloves" or are we strong enough to face things that remind us of what happened that day? It's a question they probably asked themselves.
 
Well, if they did notice that while it was being written, then yes, they probably did have to make a choice. But, they probably decided to stick to their guns and tell the story. Besides, most people probably won't notice until someone tells them.
 
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