Official Young Avengers Discussion Thread

[TheCorpulent1]

Transia's pretty close to Latveria, isn't it? Maybe Doom kidnapped her in Transia.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Doom kidnapped Wanda? I seriously and highly doubt that. Her powers are like The Hulk, they'll work when they want to, not when she wants them to.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Her powers are a complete question mark because no one's been allowed to touch her since Disassembled for Heinberg's sake.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Well, true, but for the sake of the character, you know? Like isn't Wanda one of the most powerful people in the Marvel U? If so, I don't see them being like "Your powers? LOL SORRY!".

I could see her powers still being there, and taking her over like how the Avatar does Aang when he didn't know how to control it, you know?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I guess. I'd rather she just lost her Bendis-powers, personally.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

We all do, Corp.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

hey speak for yourself. i like her as an omega level mutant. but her powers do need to have a set amount of rules... like id assume after M day and the large amount of stuff she pulled... her magic would be in a very weakened state, easy to get nabbed by doom

 

[chamber-music]

So that time Clint had hate-sex with Wanda...

...actually a Doombot?

Clint joins Marvels list of bot-bangers. Love Magneto family time. Polaris is the forgotten Eisenhardt family member

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Just finished CC #2. Prob the best comic I'd read in a while. Speed has definitely cemented himself as my fav Young Avenger.

- a big Maximoff family reunion
- Speed and Quicksilver finally racing(I've been wanting that for years)
- a Captain Marvel(DC) reference from Spidey
- the Sound of Music outfits were classic
- Doom showing up

Heinberg, I'm not excusing your extreme tardiness or lack of priority you place on your comic fans but damn I missed this. My only complaint is how bloodthirsty Wolverine was written. He almost seemed excited and happy to kill Wiccan

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Wolverine's been excited and happy to kill anything since around '03 or '04.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Yeah, but he's been working on that

 

[TheCorpulent1]

No, he hasn't. That's the whole point.

 

[Dread]

I liked the issue overall, but I do feel that despite it's moments of brilliance, another writer besides Heinberg could have brought it here, alongside Cheung. I agree that Wolverine was extra bloodthirsty, and the Avengers in particular were written as one note jerkwads so it became sensible to side with Magneto. That's pedestrian WWE writing. They act as if Wanda has ALWAYS been their enemy and, aside for Luke Cage, killing her is their first and only option. You'd think they would have learned from their Korvac adventure that automatically bum rushing someone with godlike power to try to kill them without mercy has tended to backfire. Much as trying to kill Wanda the first time backfired. Third time'll be the charm, eh?

The rest was fine, and I am curious about the Dr. Doom connection. It was nice to have Quicksilver and Speed finally meet. But even Quicksilver was extra bloodthirsty, throwing wooden planks into a full crowd, not caring about any hapless pedestrians or kid heroes, just to kill Magneto. He really COULD have killed Wanda right there, had she been "real".

I remember a line that Dan Slott wrote during his MIGHTY AVENGERS run in which he stated that life wasn't a movie and adults weren't always morons just to make teenagers look smart by comparison. Well, Heinberg is writing it like those sorts of movies. I am always amused how eager comics are to invite TV & movie writers into their midst, when most often TV & movie writers are the worst kinds of hacks outside of politics, responsible for the dummying down of imagination and the lowered scale of film quality.

 

[BrianWilly]

If Wiccan was a teenage girl, Wolverine wouldn't have been so trigger-happy...

 

[Colossal Spoons]

I don't even think Wiccan has done anything to deserve being murdered yet. Unless Wolverine just really hates lightning bolts

I'm all for gutting Wanda though

 

[Dread]

Wolverine has been just fine murdering quite a few of his girlfriends if they've asked him to, or if they steal the remote during a Michigan State College Bowl game.

My problem with the Avengers is they seem to have no mercy about Wanda, who at least for about a decade of their existence she was a loyal and stable Avenger. In real life, most people would at least hesitate to murder or fight their best friend even if said friend killed EVERY LIVING THING ON THE PLANET. The Avengers don't hesitate; they're eager, like Wanda owed them money. HOUSE OF M ended up messing up mutants, but the Avengers personally suffered little after it was undone. Really, what was the worst thing that happened? The Collective? The same guy that Tony Stark later dispatched to Canada and then Norman Osborn merrily manipulated?

And what was the worst Wolverine suffered? He got his memories about his past back - and learned that it was very ugly, and that for most of his history he was a major **** up and a-hole, who created an even worse son to match. THAT'S Wanda's fault? For that she deserves his wrath? For a guy who used to try to follow a samurai's honor code and philosophy, Logan has a hard time looking at himself in a mirror. He's so quick to judge and execute people for their sins, while expecting infinite patience for his own. HOUSE OF M happened because Quicksilver manipulated his grief-maddened sister, and M-Day happened because Magneto decided to be a jerk and the Avengers decided the best way to fix it was the punch everything in sight. Oh, yeah, she's such a Carnage. The Avengers were hardly gung-ho to kill him, by the way. They haven't been gung-ho to kill ANY of their other enemies who genuinely deserved it. Where was the revenge for Kang blowing up Washington? None of the Avengers present were the ones who watched Sharon Carter ex Red Skull. The Avengers have let no end of dangerous threats and maniacs live to fight another day, but suddenly Wanda deserves not even a moment's pity? Not even a, "It's so terrible to have to do this to our good friend", nothing?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I don't even think Wiccan has done anything to deserve being murdered yet. Unless Wolverine just really hates lightning bolts

I'm all for gutting Wanda though

I agree, if you mean gutting what she's become and taking her back to a viable, useful member of the Avengers who's not a crazy ho just because Bendis ran out of ideas.

 

[Dread]

I agree, if you mean gutting what she's become and taking her back to a viable, useful member of the Avengers who's not a crazy ho just because Bendis ran out of ideas.

He had ideas to begin with?

What? Too low?

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I liked the issue overall, but I do feel that despite it's moments of brilliance, another writer besides Heinberg could have brought it here, alongside Cheung. I agree that Wolverine was extra bloodthirsty, and the Avengers in particular were written as one note jerkwads so it became sensible to side with Magneto. That's pedestrian WWE writing. They act as if Wanda has ALWAYS been their enemy and, aside for Luke Cage, killing her is their first and only option. You'd think they would have learned from their Korvac adventure that automatically bum rushing someone with godlike power to try to kill them without mercy has tended to backfire. Much as trying to kill Wanda the first time backfired. Third time'll be the charm, eh?

The rest was fine, and I am curious about the Dr. Doom connection. It was nice to have Quicksilver and Speed finally meet. But even Quicksilver was extra bloodthirsty, throwing wooden planks into a full crowd, not caring about any hapless pedestrians or kid heroes, just to kill Magneto. He really COULD have killed Wanda right there, had she been "real".

I remember a line that Dan Slott wrote during his MIGHTY AVENGERS run in which he stated that life wasn't a movie and adults weren't always morons just to make teenagers look smart by comparison. Well, Heinberg is writing it like those sorts of movies. I am always amused how eager comics are to invite TV & movie writers into their midst, when most often TV & movie writers are the worst kinds of hacks outside of politics, responsible for the dummying down of imagination and the lowered scale of film quality.

meh... that was very quicksilver for me... ever since House of M he's been much more of a rush to decision psycho... going to extremes... with losing his powers and the inhumans, and others. the guy is pretty much the definition of a careless dueche

 

[Dread]

meh... that was very quicksilver for me... ever since House of M he's been much more of a rush to decision psycho... going to extremes... with losing his powers and the inhumans, and others. the guy is pretty much the definition of a careless dueche

He has been trying to redeem himself a bit lately. It's a work in progress, but still. If Quicksilver were THIS eager to kill Magneto, he could have attacked him at Utopia months ago. I mean, Magneto is influencing kids there just as well as he is with the Young Avengers.

Wanting to kill Magneto is fine, it was just his recklessness that was a tad odd for me.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Just finished CC #2. Prob the best comic I'd read in a while. Speed has definitely cemented himself as my fav Young Avenger.

- a big Maximoff family reunion
- Speed and Quicksilver finally racing(I've been wanting that for years)
- a Captain Marvel(DC) reference from Spidey
- the Sound of Music outfits were classic
- Doom showing up

Heinberg, I'm not excusing your extreme tardiness or lack of priority you place on your comic fans but damn I missed this. My only complaint is how bloodthirsty Wolverine was written. He almost seemed excited and happy to kill Wiccan

I didn't catch the Captain Marvel reference.

I completely agree about Wolverine though. I was like "They're not going to write The Avengers as bad-guys in this, are they?". Wolverine SERIOUSLY wants to kill Wanda and The Young Avengers? What the hell is wrong with him? Cap tried to say something, but Logan just threw on his "come at me bro" face. Reading Wolverine like that makes me want to stay further away from the X-Men series than I already am. Another thing, Ms. Marvel. She isn't that big of a *****! I mean, I understand where Wolverine and Ms. Marvel are coming from and their POV of Wanda after House of M, but DAMN. Unnecessarily *****y.

Erik is cool, but I'm still not that big of an X-Men fan (if at all), so it's cool to read him in something non-X-Men. Speed and Quicksliver racing was so damn awesome! Speed and Wiccan SO cheated. Some people I read saying that Doom showing up in CC was stupid, but I thought it was perfect. I seriously cannot wait for a YA+Magneto (and hopefully Quicksliver) against Doom. Again, I don't think that Doom has Wanda either. I've stated before that I personally believe that Wanda's powers are their own identity (think Banner and The Hulk), and the Doombots are just decoys, sending them on a world-wide wild goose chase for Wanda, while Doom searches for her too. I highly doubt Wanda's self-concious/powers/other identity-thingy would allow her to be easily captured by Doom. However, if she IS powerless and is captured, then well ****, we'll seen a epic ass fight for her!

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Wolverine's not nearly this bloodthirsty in any X-title, not even X-Force...where "bloodthirst" is the name of the game.

I don't think Doom really has Wanda either. Her "chaos magic" is prob keeping her hostage in Limbo or some crap. I never got to read an Avengers story pre-Disassembled so Wanda has always been the crazy person Bendis turned her into. I have no problem with killing people who deserve it in comic books(w/e Corp ) so when Wanda is eventually found, I want all the Avengers and remaining mutants to take turns doing their finishing moves on her like the end of a WWE match.

yes, mad

 

[Kevin]

I still blame Bendis/Marvel because Disassembled could've involved ANYONE. It could've been Jean. It Could've been Franklin. Anyone that powerful could have done the same thing and still be written this way. I don't blame Wanda.

 

[Dread]

The problem is that Disassembled became the lynch pin of so many stories that came immediately after, and even six years later has a legacy, and it was quite poorly written.

 

[Aesop Rocks]

Eh, I think A: Dis will go away once they find Wanda. Civil War and the SHRA went away after Siege.