The Dark Knight Rises Oldman and Nolan on the 3-th movie(possible villain hint)

[FaT_tONle]

Wanted to retire ^^^....

 

[Jick]

I always thought that the Riddler would be the next step. and seems the more obvious choice to be with Two-Face in the next movie.
also, Joker will get almost the whole movie for him. he really shouldn't be in the next one, imo.

 

[Venom 1988]

I always thought that the Riddler would be the next step. and seems the more obvious choice to be with Two-Face in the next movie.
also, Joker will get almost the whole movie for him. he really shouldn't be in the next one, imo.

Whos say Two-Face is going to return?

 

[Jick]

Whos say Two-Face is going to return?

and who says he won't?
Nolan said many times that TDK is like...setting up Two-Face. preparing a new villain. will show the evolution of Dent into TF.
it seems more than obvious that, if Nolan returns for a third one, Two-Face would be a villain in there, if not the main one.

 

[Venom 1988]

and who says he won't?
Nolan said many times that TDK is like...setting up Two-Face. preparing a new villain. will show the evolution of Dent into TF.
it seems more than obvious that, if Nolan returns for a third one, Two-Face would be a villain in there, if not the main one.

All I'm gonna say is that what Nolan said in a past interview... "Harvey is the backbone of the movie"

That and I've spoiled the hell out the TDK for me

 

[the_monk]

Wanted to retire ^^^....

Oh, that's right. I remember that now. The article gives a poor explanation then. They make it seem like he just didn't want to make that movie.

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

Oh, that's right. I remember that now. The article gives a poor explanation then. They make it seem like he just didn't want to make that movie.

Oldman wanted to retire because he is beginning to feel like an old man? hahah wow I am so lame

 

[warren_sparta27]

Riddler being in the next one would be good. I dunno if i see him as the main villain though?
It's going to be really hard to top Ra's and Joker.
Unless the bring back Ra's with Talia and the League of Shadows...but I'd rather see a new villain.
Other possibility is Bane and follow a similar story to Knightfall?

I'd love to see Two-Face become the main villain for the next one, but without spoiling it for anyone, i don't see it happening, he's being used in too much of a vigilante role than a villain.

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

I am probably the only person but I don't like the idea of another Riddler-Twoface movie, even if they are better portrayed than they were in BF

 

[warren_sparta27]

I am probably the only person but I don't like the idea of another Riddler-Twoface movie, even if they are better portrayed than they were in BF

Chances are that won't be the combo for the next film.
But i'd say The Riddler has a good chance of being in there.
There was another thread, i think it was Shadow of the Bat, where someone posted some possible ideas for a 3rd film, i think the Catwoman/ Black Mask idea from that thread would be good.

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

The only thing is, I don't see the point of developing Harvey and seeing him scarred near the end of the film ( I am assuming it is near the end or otherwise there wouldn't be much development of pre-two face Harvey as Nolan is aiming for) and then not having him be the major villain for the next film. This is especially in light of the last scene of him in the bar.... so I think the issue is who would best be a villain in the 3rd one in addition to two-face, which I really don't think Riddler would be. Think Catwoman needs a movie that focuses more on her specifically. So I would go with someone smaller; Black Mask or Scarface are my favorite ideas for this role.

 

[warren_sparta27]

But as I've said Two-face is more of a vigilante rather than a villain in the film. Kinda like Batman but willing to go that one step further, and break the rule that Batman would never cross. I guess that makes him a villain in same ways, but he is really to be considered more of a good guy than a bad guy. This is what I've heard at least.

Also who said that the Bar scene was the last scene in the film....?

 

[Dark Globe]

The Riddler and Mad Hatter should team up.

 

[warren_sparta27]

I don't mind if there are two villains in a film, it has worked in Begins, and i'm assuming it works in TDK.
The thing i don't really like is the villians teaming up unless there is a very good reason.
Batman begins did the villain team up well, Zsaz working forFalcone working for Scarecrow working for Ra's. They all had their part to play and all brought something into the picture that the others couldn't, so it was a logical choice to team them up.
But in the older films the team ups were just stupid, "I hate Batman" "Me Too" "We should team up" "hmmmmm, k"
There was no real reason for Freeze and Ivy to team up, same with Two-face and Riddler.

So a Riddler, Mad Hatter team up is something that i wouldn't be too keen on unless there was a damn good reason behind it. However having the two villains in the same film but not working together, or not even interacting at all i guess i'd be fine with.

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

But as I've said Two-face is more of a vigilante rather than a villain in the film. Kinda like Batman but willing to go that one step further, and break the rule that Batman would never cross. I guess that makes him a villain in same ways, but he is really to be considered more of a good guy than a bad guy. This is what I've heard at least.

Also who said that the Bar scene was the last scene in the film....?

I know you said he is going to be more of a vigilante, but I feel that would still make him a villain for Batman given how he feels about killing. I still see Batman fighting him as though he was a villain. The fact he would be killing mobsters instead of robbing banks (for instance) is a pretty moot point to me since regardless he will probably still be fighting against Batman


as far as the bar scene, I just assumed based on some things I have read online (but then again the internet is never that reliable)

 

[warren_sparta27]

As far as i know the Bar scene isn't the end.
And in regards to Batman fighting Two-Face the same as another villain like Scarecrow or Joker i disagree. Yes he may be killing people which Batman doesn't agree with, but this is a person that Batman has worked with, and feels very close to. I'm not sure if it will be the same in TDK but in TLH Bruce was thinking of revealing his secret to Dent before he was scared. So I'd say that Batman would instead of fighting him try to save him.

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

I don't mind if there are two villains in a film, it has worked in Begins, and i'm assuming it works in TDK.
The thing i don't really like is the villians teaming up unless there is a very good reason.
Batman begins did the villain team up well, Zsaz working forFalcone working for Scarecrow working for Ra's. They all had their part to play and all brought something into the picture that the others couldn't, so it was a logical choice to team them up.
But in the older films the team ups were just stupid, "I hate Batman" "Me Too" "We should team up" "hmmmmm, k"
There was no real reason for Freeze and Ivy to team up, same with Two-face and Riddler.

For the most part I agree. However, one of the few positive things I will say about B&R that I know many don't agree with is that I saw the team up of Ivy and Freeze as more logical than the Riddler-Two Face one... Freeze wanted to kill Batman to get what he needed to get a cure for his wife. Poison Ivy had a crush on freeze (even though cold and plants don't mix well usually, which is an odd mix) so she did it out of infatiatuon/love. The thing that really doesn't make sense though is why that movie's version of Bane helped Ivy besides the fact he was basically just a braineless bulk of muscle (WB should never have greenlit him being in the movie....and I am hesitant to see him on the screen again, even if it is closer to the comics). Two-Face and Riddler though really had no reason to join up together. Two-face wanted to kill Batman and it seemed like Riddler wanted to crush Wayne Enterprises so it made no sense he wanted to figure out Batman's secret identity and would agree to help kill the bat.

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

As far as i know the Bar scene isn't the end.
And in regards to Batman fighting Two-Face the same as another villain like Scarecrow or Joker i disagree. Yes he may be killing people which Batman doesn't agree with, but this is a person that Batman has worked with, and feels very close to. I'm not sure if it will be the same in TDK but in TLH Bruce was thinking of revealing his secret to Dent before he was scared. So I'd say that Batman would instead of fighting him try to save him.

But how do you save an insane killer? I imagine he would, even if he tries to save Harvey, ultimately realize the only way he can truly save him is by fighting him and getting him the help he needs at Arkham. Either that or he would recognize he is beyond saving and still try to fight him to get him incarcerated

 

[warren_sparta27]

But again it's his friend and an ally, of which he has very few. And i think that he would fight to save him instead of giving up on him. He'd also probably blame it on himself that Dent is now disfigured and in that position strengthening his ambition to help him himself. If someone you cared for was in a situation like that would you give up on them, or would you fight to the bitter end for them?

Ivy teaming up with Freeze for love? Never really thought of it that way, try to forget that film. But either way the team up was not needed and i think Batman having to face two separate villains at the same time with different motives and plans would be much harder for him than taking out two villains after the exact same thing.

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

But again it's his friend and an ally, of which he has very few. And i think that he would fight to save him instead of giving up on him. He'd also probably blame it on himself that Dent is now disfigured and in that position strengthening his ambition to help him himself. If someone you cared for was in a situation like that would you give up on them, or would you fight to the bitter end for them?

Ivy teaming up with Freeze for love? Never really thought of it that way, try to forget that film. But either way the team up was not needed and i think Batman having to face two separate villains at the same time with different motives and plans would be much harder for him than taking out two villains after the exact same thing.

With the love triangle with Rachel in the movie though, how big of friends are they really? I know they are in the comics but from what I have seen from the trailers and brief clips released, there seems to be more envy than friendship between them

Of course, if they are friends like they were in the comics, he would fight to the bitter end as you put it. However, given what a homocidal maniac two-face is at times, I am saying that they will end up fighting regardless because it is the only way Batman will be able to even attempt to change Harvey back. Their friendship adds more drama to the script but not the fact they are fighting and that two-face is a villain. To make a reference to Star Wars, even though Luke was trying to turn Vader back in ROTJ, it doesn't mean that Vader wasn't a villain for a good chunk of the movie even though the Emperor was actually the mastermind, Luke tried to change Vader to be good, and underneath it all the heroic Anakin was still alive. Likewise, just because Harvey is still in Two-Face somewhere, it doesn't necessarily mean Two-Face isn't a villain in the movie jus because part of him is still good and Batman/Bruce is trying to bring out the good side to return him to how he was.

The way I see it is that Harvey is in TDK primarily to set up for the third one... to give him a back story for the third one; to show how tragic his story really is; to build anticipation for the third (like the Joker card at the end of BB)

 

[wrhssaxensemble]

Ivy teaming up with Freeze for love? Never really thought of it that way, try to forget that film. But either way the team up was not needed and i think Batman having to face two separate villains at the same time with different motives and plans would be much harder for him than taking out two villains after the exact same thing.

I agree... but my point was only that one of the very few things that was better in B&R than BF was the reason why they teamed up

the only reason they have the villains team up in general though is lazy writing, which is sad given the millions of dollars spent on these projects and the huge amounts of money pumped out by working people at the box office

 

[warren_sparta27]

Too be honest i actually hadn't paid too much attention to the relationship between Dent and Bruce. Just assumed that they were using TLH as a reference point so also assumed that they were friends.

It's good to discussion if Two-Face would be a good enough main villian in a 3rd Nolan film, but really i just don't see it happening, despite what Goyer said awhile back about the planned trilogy i don't see him being a major player. Unless Heath's untimely death has changed things....?

 

[DV8]

Nathan Jones sucks!! But Johnny Depp...I really believe he could pull off the joker rather well!! I mean.. look at all the characters he has done...

Johnny Depp is the only fesible choice for a recast of Joker, IMO . . .

 

[warren_sparta27]

Think Depp, or Daniel Day-Lewis.
Depp was always my top choice for the role so I'd be happy with that re-cast if it went ahead. Do you think it's likely he'd pick a role in a Batman/ Comic book film though...?

 

[DV8]

^I think Depp would undoubltedly do it . . . also interesting is the fact that he was one of the actors to finish Ledgers "Imaginarium" role . . .

I concur that Daniel Day Lewis could pull it off, but he's a lot older than Ledger (even moreso than Depp), and not so sure he would come out of 'retirement' again, especially for a 'comic book movie', although from what we're hearing, Dark Knight may just elevate 'comic book movies' to a respectable level in the film community . . .