Person Of Interest - Part 3

[Webfoot Hero]

Nice interview with Nolan and Plageman discussing the finale and any potential future for the show. Based on the interview, I doubt we get anymore POI since they seem plain tired and seem pretty content on where they ended it. Looking forward to the 2nd part of their interview that'll show up later this week.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06...-the-final-episode-and-who-lived-and-who-died

 

[Sawyer]

Went into the finale fully expecting that the trailer had spoiled [blackout]Harold's death[/blackout]. Pleasantly surprised to find that wasn't the case.

 

[Sawyer]

I loved the score that kept playing over Harold on the rooftop. Reminded me of It Follows.

 

[Batmannerism]

Great finale. To be honest I wish they'd made it a 2 hour finish or even a 90 minute episode - to fit a few more things in like:

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- a reference to Carter, who was such an important member of the cast

- something about Joey, Harper and Logan and what will happen with them.

- references to any other past numbers they'd helped (there's too many to name)

-some sort of rectification for Fusco ( yeah, he's survived, but is he screwed now that his old Captain was on to him ? Hopefully the machine will step in and help the guy out).

- a resolution for Control (whatever happened to her after the "correction" ?)


For my taste I would rather the sacrifice had been Shaw than John - I liked her character but always found John a lot more interesting. Alternatively if both she and John had perished, I would have preferred that. I just feel like she's such an emotionless character, that death wouldn't have been a problem for her. But that's just me.

OR, if John had somehow survived the blast and made it away safely and hooked up with his shrink lady-friend.

It just feels like either everyone should have died, or nobody should have died - it sort of feels wrong that only Reese didn't make it out.

I'm glad Finch got a happy ending, though. That was probably the best part of it for me - although I thought the use of Amy Acker as the machine's manifestation was a very nice touch.

Those final sequences did feel a bit "Dark Knight Rises" and I liked the bookend from the first episode with numbers appearing around everyone in the crowd.

Trying to think how this stacks up against other TV show finales.

Hmmmm..... I'd put it on a par with Fringe, which I thought had a great ending. Definitely better than LOST. Being a bit of a Star Trek fan, I'd have to say that Star Trek TNG and Voyager had pretty amazing finales (mostly because they did 2 hour episodes).

Anyway, sad the show is over - definitely finished before its time (I think 7 seasons would have done it justice) but finished on a good note.

 

[STARMAN]

The rooftop scene with Reese and Finch.

 

[C. Lee]

Great ending to a great show.

Anyone know the name of the music they used near the end? I know I've heard it before but can't place it.

 

[Pecola1]

Great finale. To be honest I wish they'd made it a 2 hour finish or even a 90 minute episode - to fit a few more things in like:

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- a reference to Carter, who was such an important member of the cast

- something about Joey, Harper and Logan and what will happen with them.

- references to any other past numbers they'd helped (there's too many to name)

-some sort of rectification for Fusco ( yeah, he's survived, but is he screwed now that his old Captain was on to him ? Hopefully the machine will step in and help the guy out).

- a resolution for Control (whatever happened to her after the "correction" ?)


For my taste I would rather the sacrifice had been Shaw than John - I liked her character but always found John a lot more interesting. Alternatively if both she and John had perished, I would have preferred that. I just feel like she's such an emotionless character, that death wouldn't have been a problem for her. But that's just me.

OR, if John had somehow survived the blast and made it away safely and hooked up with his shrink lady-friend.

It just feels like either everyone should have died, or nobody should have died - it sort of feels wrong that only Reese didn't make it out.

I'm glad Finch got a happy ending, though. That was probably the best part of it for me - although I thought the use of Amy Acker as the machine's manifestation was a very nice touch.

Those final sequences did feel a bit "Dark Knight Rises" and I liked the bookend from the first episode with numbers appearing around everyone in the crowd.

Trying to think how this stacks up against other TV show finales.

Hmmmm..... I'd put it on a par with Fringe, which I thought had a great ending. Definitely better than LOST. Being a bit of a Star Trek fan, I'd have to say that Star Trek TNG and Voyager had pretty amazing finales (mostly because they did 2 hour episodes).

Anyway, sad the show is over - definitely finished before its time (I think 7 seasons would have done it justice) but finished on a good note.

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They did have a scene near the end where Fusko was talking to Shaw and he said he's back working in the office or something. (At least that's what I remember)
They didn't really explain how he stayed in his job though...

I think the greatest relationship in the show was really Finch and Reese. Especially since neither of them are the super warm friendly type.One being more dark and reserved, the other being more light hearted, reserved and mysterious. I feel like if they had just killed Shaw, it wouldn't have had as much emotion, and wouldn't have been as meaningful. The ONLY reason why I would prefer John to live is if they were going to do a spin-off or another season sometime in the future. (They did leave the door open, not only with showing other teams being recruited by the machine, but also by showing that Shaw was called by the machine at the end.)

Honestly it would be great if they were able to do another season, a spin-off would be cool but part of the greatness of the show are the characters and actors.

There were multiple TV show websites that hat person of interest on the top watched lists too, so it's not like people aren't interested. I just think now that they have wrapped it up, it's probably best that it be the end of the story.

 

[STARMAN]

Great ending to a great show.

Anyone know the name of the music they used near the end? I know I've heard it before but can't place it.

I believe the music you're referring to is called Metamorphosis One by Philip Glass. You can hear it on YouTube. Unless you're talking about a different piece of music.

 

[kvz5]

After having slept on it, the finale still hurts. It was so good. I'm going to miss the hell out of this cast and I hope that all of them find great projects to work on in the future.

In one of the post-show interviews with Nolan and Co, they mentioned that if they had the time, they would've liked the episode to touch base with Control, Zoe, etc. I would've liked that very much especially with Control. I don't love the character as much as the others but I wished we got a Taraji cameo as well in the penultimate ep.

As for the death, while it hurts, I feel like [blackout]Reese[/blackout] really made the most sense. It does suck a bit that [BLACKOUT]he's[/BLACKOUT] the only one that bit it but I get it. I was a bit surprised though that [BLACKOUT]Finch[/BLACKOUT] lived and got a "happily ever after". I also feel that [BLACKOUT]Finch[/BLACKOUT] wouldn't have gotten [blackout]his[/blackout] HEA if [BLACKOUT]Reese[/BLACKOUT] lived. Kinda reminds me a bit of the [blackout]"Batman had to die so Bruce Wayne could live"[/blackout] thing with Nolan's TDKR.

How do you guys think the story will live on post-Finale? Do you think TM will contact [BLACKOUT]her Father[/BLACKOUT] eventually or will [BLACKOUT]she leave him alone and just work with Shaw[/BLACKOUT]?

As much as I absolutely loved TM taking on Root's personality, does anyone feel that it's a bit creepy?

Also, I wished that Shaw and Fusco at least knew who lived and died. They deserved that closure.

 

[kvz5]

Finale GIF goodies:

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[kvz5]

First and last moments in GIF form:

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[C. Lee]

I believe the music you're referring to is called Metamorphosis One by Philip Glass. You can hear it on YouTube. Unless you're talking about a different piece of music.

That's the one....I'm listening to it right now on youtube....thank you so much for letting me know....it was driving me crazy.

 

[Snow Queen]

I like the choice to have the series opener include the machine asking "What is death?" in flashbacks and then ending with her speeches about death this episode. Felt like a nice show of how far she's come.

 

[kvz5]

Last one... One of my favorite parallels:

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[ChrisBaleBatman]

Man...

[BLACKOUT]That ending was just amazing. I liked the way they ended it. It put a bookend on the Samaritan saga, and still wrapped around to the original premise, more or less. Having this version (Root 2.0) of The Machine dying, only to have another version reemerge to what felt like an early seasons version.

And with Shaw (and Bear) basically being Batman, with Fusco basically being Gordon, to go out and start saving numbers again. It felt right, and poetic, that the fight Reese and Finch started continues. And we know Shaw will have back up in the form of Team Machine 2.0, as well. I really wish we could have seen the writers with more time to wrap up every storyline. But, with a limited run I don't see how that was even remotely possible. But, they wrapped up the important stuff and played to the themes they've been working on from the start.

I'm happy Finch lived, and probably lived happily ever after with Grace. He deserved a second chance, and his mind is too great and important to not survive for whatever the future may bring. But, Reese...man, talk about going out like a legend. I got a strong 'young' Bruce Wayne vibe from the flashback of him as a child at his father's funeral. I think he was always destined to die in tragedy, no matter what. And looking at how the rest of his family were all dead (earlier this season, the Machine had listed off all of his immediate family, his father, mother, and sister...and all were deceased), felt like there was never going to be a happy ending for him. But, he went down defeating Samaritan, saving the world and Finch. There's a tragedy in his sacrifice never really being known. I mean, it seemed like not even Shaw and Fusco will know. As far as they're concerned, both Reese and Finch probably died. [/BLACKOUT]

I'm looking forward to buying the final season on blu-ray, and just keeping the entire collection in my library.

 

[Man in the Suit]

The more I think about the finale, the more I realize how perfect it was. I just wish we a had a few more episodes, or that it had a full 22 episode season. I love these characters so much.


Nolan & Plageman on the final scene:

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TVLINE | If there was a thought bubble above Shaw’s head when she is smiling up at the surveillance camera at the end, what would it say?

NOLAN | I think [the smile] is much about hearing Root’s voice [on the phone]. And one of the few regrets I have about the way the finale cuts together is that’s not totally clear. We had a moment between them at the end, dialogue in that moment with Sarah on the phone, and it just didn’t “fit.” At that point, “the train was running,” the main score was going, and it felt like it stepped on the moment. But the clear implication is that that relationship continues in this new form — and that the franchise continues. It felt to us not like a naked attempt to try to build a spinoff.
There could easily have been a conversation about a spinoff in Season 2, with the show riding high and Sarah Shahi’s character making such a splashy debut, but Greg and I weren’t interested in that. We were interested in doing one great show. We wanted everything to echo within the show itself, so in that moment at the end, the idea is just that The Machine keeps going, the mission keeps going. Shaw is like Reese, there’s the sense that this mission has given them meaning in their lives. And she leaves with a relationship with a dog and a god. [Laughs]

PLAGEMAN | Which are anagrams!

http://tvline.com/2016/06/21/person-of-interest-recap-season-5-series-finale-reese-dies/

 

[STARMAN]

That's the one....I'm listening to it right now on youtube....thank you so much for letting me know....it was driving me crazy.

You're welcome.

 

[Snow Queen]

[BLACKOUT]I'm happy Finch lived, and probably lived happily ever after with Grace. He deserved a second chance, and his mind is too great and important to not survive for whatever the future may bring. [/BLACKOUT]

I'd bold, but under the blackout, I'm not sure how well that'd show up, so I'm just cutting down your post to the bit I'm replying to instead. [BLACKOUT]It's really fitting that Reese died to give Finch that second chance. In the pilot, Finch ends up stopping Reese from committing suicide by giving him a second chance at life. And in the finale, Reese stops Finch from going on a suicide mission to give him a second chance at life. Repaying the favour. It feels like the perfect end to their relationship. [/BLACKOUT]

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

I'd bold, but under the blackout, I'm not sure how well that'd show up, so I'm just cutting down your post to the bit I'm replying to instead. [BLACKOUT]It's really fitting that Reese died to give Finch that second chance. In the pilot, Finch ends up stopping Reese from committing suicide by giving him a second chance at life. And in the finale, Reese stops Finch from going on a suicide mission to give him a second chance at life. Repaying the favour. It feels like the perfect end to their relationship. [/BLACKOUT]

"Told you. Pay you back, all at once. That's the way I like it".

 

[The Apocalypse]

I went into watching the last two episodes...not wanting to watch the last two episodes. I just got done watching them and right now, I'm just speechless. I haven't felt this emotional over the ending of a series since LOST. I'm going to miss watching Michael Emerson on this show. A couple of my favorite moments from the finale...

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The opening scene. That music was just on point the whole time.

Last moment between John and Finch. Regardless of the path the show went, at it's core my favorite thing about it was their relationship. They went from a boss-employee relationship to one of my favorite friendships on TV. RIP John Reese, what a great character.

I'm glad Finch got a happy ending. He's had the weight of the world on his shoulders for years. Glad he got some solace. If the show ever does return, I hope it wouldn't involve him, just for characters sake.

The parallel from between John looking at the street cam in the first episode to Shaw doing the same thing was a nice touch.

I'm going to deeply miss this show and I'm glad I gave it a shot after not really enjoying the first two episodes.

 

[Man in the Suit]

I'd bold, but under the blackout, I'm not sure how well that'd show up, so I'm just cutting down your post to the bit I'm replying to instead. [BLACKOUT]It's really fitting that Reese died to give Finch that second chance. In the pilot, Finch ends up stopping Reese from committing suicide by giving him a second chance at life. And in the finale, Reese stops Finch from going on a suicide mission to give him a second chance at life. Repaying the favour. It feels like the perfect end to their relationship. [/BLACKOUT]

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Yeah, I loved that. That's why I was okay (well, not really... I'm still sad) with Root dying for Harry, too. Finch saved Reese's life and brought Root into the light. Root, Reese, and The Machine valued Finch so much, that him getting a second chance was about their characters, not necessarily his.


And I wonder what Gabriel the Samaritan Kid is going to do now. No more creepy school meetings and Washington takeovers.

 

[Snow Queen]

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Yeah, I loved that. That's why I was okay (well, not really... I'm still sad) with Root dying for Harry, too. Finch saved Reese's life and brought Root into the light. Root, Reese, and The Machine valued Finch so much, that him getting a second chance was about their characters, not necessarily his.


And I wonder what Gabriel the Samaritan Kid is going to do now. No more creepy school meetings and Washington takeovers.

[BLACKOUT]"And uh, Gabriel, why were you absent this time?"
"I was threatening the president of the United States.
"...sure you were. Did you finish you addition and subtraction homework?"[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Farewell to Person of Interest, one of the best shows about spy tech ever made

 

[Man in the Suit]

Nice interview with Nolan and Plageman discussing the finale and any potential future for the show. Based on the interview, I doubt we get anymore POI since they seem plain tired and seem pretty content on where they ended it. Looking forward to the 2nd part of their interview that'll show up later this week.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06...-the-final-episode-and-who-lived-and-who-died

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IGN: Reese’s death really stuck out to me, because when you look at a broadcast network, CBS action show, you would very rarely guess it would end with that guy dying at the end. How did you decide that Reese wouldn't make it out of these events?

Jonathan Nolan: Well, we heard crickets from the network. [Laughs] Yeah, that was a fun notes call, when we submitted that cut [of the finale] and they were like, "Oh, uh, yeah! Okay, cool." So, look, for us, demonstrably, clearly, we've never wanted to be the show that just kept things exactly the same for better or for worse. You can imagine the 300-episode version of Person of Interest where Reese gets to rescue someone's cat out of a f**king tree and nothing ever changes.

Greg Plageman: "Look! It's Mark Harmon in the tree!"

IGN: [Laughs] Crossover!

Nolan: Yeah, and Root and Shaw flirting for f**king 250 episodes until one of them f**k up the contract renegotiations so that they disappear. It's like, "No, no, no. We don't want to do any of this s**t. We want to tell a complete story."

IGN: With Shaw killing the man who killed Root, obviously we've seen the version of that scene where she says, "But I'm not that person now." But I don't think it comes off as Shaw is now some psycho. She is who she's always been. Did it just feel like, yeah, this Shaw is not someone who would turn away in this moment? It would be a definite vengeance all the way to the end for her?

Plageman: I think so.

Nolan: Yeah, I mean, you don't want to be flippant about it there, but the whole point of Shaw, as Root said to her in the finale, she's a f**king straight line. We're not watching the redemptive story of Shaw. We've watched the redemptive story for Root, right? We've watched her go from being immoral to transcending, subliming something different. With Shaw, what we love about Shaw was that she's f**king Shaw. You could detonate a suitcase nuke on her f**king forehead, and she'd still be Shaw, right? There's an unwavering commitment there to her own closely guarded, tiny little moral compass, because she sees and looks at the world differently, right? And you didn't want to betray that. So in that last moment, for her -- and it's terribly satisfying for us -- it isn't a redemptive, "Oh, my friend has taught me the meaning of ..." No. Her friends were, in order of prominence, a f**king hitwoman-turned-f**king acolyte of a transcendent artificial intelligence, a presumed dead and missing special forces f**king hitman, and a man who had been accused of treason. This is not a person who learned to be nice.

Jonah Nolan is hilarious. He really is the best Nolan. (Sorry, Chris!)

 

[Man in the Suit]

[BLACKOUT]I'd like to imagine Shaw's first Number from Machine!Root is Leon. And he just runs away when he sees her again. "Widen the distance, fellas."[/BLACKOUT]