Prometheus - Part 8

[Kane52630]

Dr. Manhattan god complex?

 

[DACrowe]

I don't think its the same planet.

Its not just the planet that has a different name the stars they orbit do as well.

LV-223 (Prometheus) orbits the star Gleise 86.
LV-426 (Alien/Aliens) orbits the star Zeta 2 Reticuli.

LV-223 the weather is gas, which causes the large silicia storm system across the moon's surface. The atmosphere is composed of 71% of nitrogen, 3% carbon dioxide and 23% oxygen. It also contains small amounts of argon, detected by the ship Prometheus.

LV-426 (Acheron) has a 1200 km diameter at its quadrant points QBR 157 052 and has a molten lava base. The atmosphere on Acheron is comprised of 10% Argon, 85% Nitrogen and 5% Neon and the planet maintains a gravitational field equivalent to 0.86 of that on Earth.

The distress call recieved by the Nostromo from unknown.

I think the Engineer ship found on LV-426 was one from the planet LV-223 that perhaps crashed on that planet sometime in the past.

Here's a theory:

Many are subscribing to the idea that there is a third alien race and that this creation myth is loosely based on Sumerian mythology. I happen to be one of those people. Well in the myth, the elder gods (the third unknown alien seen in pre-production storyboards and whose mysterious ship appears at the beginning of Prometheus) punish the subservient gods for trying to destroy their forced-creations (us) by imprisoning them in another realm/planet where they're turned into demons or monsters. What if in Prometheus, as well as Alien, the reason there are so many crashed ships is that they were all contingency plans to take us out and the third superior species that created the engineers intentionally crashed all of them and turned their bioweapons on all of them. That's why there are so many crashed ships on LV-223 and why there can be a long crashed ship on a different moon (if it is indeed different) on LV-426. The elder alien species were wiping out the lesser ones and letting them be sacrificed to their own monsters to protect us.

Otherwise, these engineers really suck to continue having so many accidents with their own weapons in this series.

 

[chamber-music]

Sounds intresting.

If Ridley makes the sequel Paradise perhaps we will find out.

 

[sandmjuggalos]

I think there are no female engineers because [BLACKOUT]they have no need for reproducing in that manner. Since they seem to be gene manipulators, they have eliminated the need for copulation, etc. Thus being technically asexual.
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The "diapers" bit, I believe is in reference to the[BLACKOUT] "Christ" aspect of the Scott statement on the previous page.
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[BLACKOUT]What's funny is, they are all milky white, have black eyes.... similar to alien sightings presently? The only difference is they are not 3-4 ft. tall.
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[BLACKOUT]The suits are also fascinating to me as they meld seamlessly with their skin. Yet, we see them without the suits as well. [/BLACKOUT]

I didn't know what to put in tags as some folks still have not seen the movie.

 

[chamber-music]

I was joking with my questions but its cool you answered them anyway sandmjuggalos t:

 

[SWAT]

Haha! The Predator played the last engineer!

 

[Balthus Dire]

Here's a theory:

Many are subscribing to the idea that there is a third alien race and that this creation myth is loosely based on Sumerian mythology. I happen to be one of those people. Well in the myth, the elder gods (the third unknown alien seen in pre-production storyboards and whose mysterious ship appears at the beginning of Prometheus) punish the subservient gods for trying to destroy their forced-creations (us) by imprisoning them in another realm/planet where they're turned into demons or monsters. What if in Prometheus, as well as Alien, the reason there are so many crashed ships is that they were all contingency plans to take us out and the third superior species that created the engineers intentionally crashed all of them and turned their bioweapons on all of them. That's why there are so many crashed ships on LV-223 and why there can be a long crashed ship on a different moon (if it is indeed different) on LV-426. The elder alien species were wiping out the lesser ones and letting them be sacrificed to their own monsters to protect us.

Otherwise, these engineers really suck to continue having so many accidents with their own weapons in this series.

If the whole "it's a different planet and different ship" thing is actually true than Scott sure wasted a lot of time "almost" linking both together with Alien.

Were it not for the gestation scene during the credits, the only thing that would contradict Alien would've been the planet being a different name, and then I'd bet people would have no problem at all thinking that was just a script flub or they'd explain it away with some other random speculative theory.

 

[sandmjuggalos]

I was joking with my questions but its cool you answered them anyway sandmjuggalos t:

I figured. I just wanted to play along.

There isn't anyone except for a few coworkers and my wife that have watched the movie. I've been dying to discuss this movie with people that at least have a basic knowledge of the Alien universe.

My biggest question is: [BLACKOUT]Which DNA made what? I can understand the teeth and things like that (on the large "facehugger" ) being taken from our DNA, when Shaw gets impregnated.[/BLACKOUT] I'm still trying to figure out why the end result is basically [BLACKOUT]the "proto" form of the Xenomorph.
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[Steyin]

After seeing those photos in detail, something hit me. I'll put it in spoilers:

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The film plays with the ideas of creation/birth, god/engineer/maker, human/experiment, etc. I really thought one thing that stood out was the idea of the maker/creation, or rather parent/offspring.

Something made the Engineers/Jockeys, they made us, we make androids. David's "humanity" was very odd to me, there were times where it truly seemed as if he was developing emotions. Especially his comment on killing the parents, along with Vickers' line to Weyland. His continuing curiosity also tickled me.

From the photos, I was curious as to the suits the Jockeys wear. Is it really meant to be a bio-mechanical space suit? Or perhaps some of the Jockeys are actually androids as well, but an actual meld of Engineer and technology, versus the Human's android, which is all tech. Now I know this is a bit out there, but what if the Engineers began to meddle with tech to prolong their own existence; they had their own fascinations with immortality as Weyland did. Thus they began hybridizing with tech to only bastardize themselves somehow.

The big guys reaction to what David says; is that perhaps because he realizes that the humans are beginning to go down the same path? To develop an obsession with mimicking life, losing their humanity, as perhaps the Engineers lost their own "humanity". The emotion of looking at a mirror (the big guy to David), to see what once was, where it could go, and how it go wrong?

Is there a split somewhere possible with tech vs. nature, bio-mechanics versus the bio-weaponized goo? Each leads to a new type of life/hybrid/offspring, but only one can be viewed as the proper, natural result?

I'm probably way off, but it just struck me as an offshoot idea. Feel free to tear me apart about it

 

[henzINNIT]

Small, Prometheus rant...


Seriously, which dumb**** came up with the idea of casting Guy Pierce as a 100 year old man? Aged make-up always looks horrid, like a face painted on a ********. Cast an old guy to play an old guy for santa's sake.

 

[dark_b]

this new deleted scenes engineer pics prove what i was affraid. Scott again cut his movie down for the studio. here the studio didnt force him but they gave him a choice. PG13 and a longer cut or R rating and a 2 hour movie.


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[Kane52630]

That scene was in the film dark b.

 

[Lord]

this new deleted scenes engineer pics prove what i was affraid. Scott again cut his movie down for the studio. here the studio didnt force him but they gave him a choice. PG13 and a longer cut or R rating and a 2 hour movie.


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You probably saw an extremelly cuted version of the film, because i remember seeing that scene

 

[Destructus86]

Small, Prometheus rant...


Seriously, which dumb**** came up with the idea of casting Guy Pierce as a 100 year old man? Aged make-up always looks horrid, like a face painted on a ********. Cast an old guy to play an old guy for santa's sake.

Because Guy Pierce is awesome. That is all.

 

[Eggyman]

Because Guy Pierce is awesome. That is all.

He didn't need to be awesome. He was hardly in it.

 

[bullets]

I was thinking this too, but I noticed how on either sides of them, pieces of the surface were exploding at random and steaming and there was fire surrounding them. They didn't really have much of a choice in where they could run.

That also makes sense. I can't wait to see it again this weekend.

 

[dark_b]

You probably saw an extremelly cuted version of the film, because i remember seeing that scene

the pic is not part of my post. i just realesed the image in the same post. its from the cgsociety article.

 

[superkong 500]

From Prometheusnews.net tons of new Engineer pics.

Have to say i really love the design of that engineer suit its beautiful.

Credit goes to Viscal:
I'll post the link cause there's to many pics http://www.prometheusnews.net/movie/elder-engineer-more-photos/

 

[dark_b]

superkong i thought you posted the pics from the previous page. but holly s... even more new pics.

 

[henzINNIT]

It sucks that if an extended version comes out it'll obviously be Blu Ray exclusive so I won't be able to see it. I miss the days when DVDs actually had extras

 

[Kane52630]

Yeah I posted all the big ones in the last page but here's more:

 

[Balthus Dire]

I don't think anyone doubts that the visuals in the movie were superb.




...well, apart from Guy Pearce.

 

[dark_b]

its hard to do a good old make up. i think hollywood doesnt like that old people have big noses . if Pearce would have a bigger nose it would look more real.

 

[regwec]

I hope you will all excuse the rambling thoughts of a fellow who has just got back from a post-Prometheus dinner.

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* The photography was gorgeous, and that is one aspect I could not hope to be improved upon. Everything from the jarring and breathtaking first scene, to the awe inspiring desert storm, to the star map, was just awesome. This was a beautiful looking movie.

* Some of the character development was weak, and the performances were variable. Vickers and Stringer Bell were, frankly, stereotypes, and they belonged in a different movie. Guy Pearce was wasted- what was the point in that? I gained nothing emotionally or intellectually in watching Scrooge being punched out by a Space Marine.

* Which brings me to the Jockeys. So they were human. Well, that sucked. Although I accept that they were alien-humans and I thought the rather cryptical first scene was great, it removes all of the mystery and wonder from these creatures. I don't want to think of the fossilized alien pilot from "Alien" being The Kurgan from Highlander. Urgh. No. I want him to be a magnificent and enigmatic alien ghost.

* Which reminds me that the ghostly alien holograms was a great way to introduce the engineers. Very inventive and very creepy.

* Noomi was very good. Despite a clumsy accent, she was convincing throughout, to me, and I really liked her brand of fatalistic stoicism.

* The religion thing wasn't credible, and it seemed outdated for 100 years in the future. Just my view.

* The ending was crappy. A sequel set up didn't suit the feel of the movie, which was mysterious at its best. Noomi and Charlize were left without much to do, and David's suggestion of piloting another buried craft seemed somehow implausible and like an unnecessary dilution of tension. It cheapened Shaw's sacrifice at the end.

* The Cthulhu-type proto-gigantic-facehugger was brilliant, though. That was properly disgusting.

Overall, good, but I can't accept the human Space Jockeys, and the tension in the ending could have been better maintained. It gets a 'B' for ambition and some very strong imagery.

 

[Maximum Carnage]

Yeah I posted all the big ones in the last page but here's more:

Not leavin' too much to the imagination. ;P