Prometheus - Part 8

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It's pretty clearly a biological weapon that can turn any biological creature (i.e. not-David) into a potential weapon. But at it's most refined form it can be used as the building blocks to the xenomorph, the "perfect organism" to quote Ash or perhaps any of the engineers. Shaw and Hollway incidentally created the conditions in her womb to turn it into a xenomorph, but a messier less elegantly designed one as it was done by accident.
I just can't see how the same "stuff" can (a) represent the "seed" of a lifeform, and (b) act as a transformative element on a living being's DNA.

We never see Holloway's finished genetic mutation before he dies. I imagine Fifield is supposed to be something similar, but that was where the movie had really awkward and uneven writing/plotting. I think they should have just left Fifield dead and the other scientists find his head melted away by acid. Then Janek still lets Holloway on board to be treated against Vickers's wishes and Holloway transforms fully into whatever the black goo would make of him and goes on a killing spree. It would have paced the movie better and feel less jarring as Holloway's death was so sudden as was Fifield's return. In fact, I really wonder why they didn't just combine those elements as they blend so easily.
Yes, the two scenes were so similar that I have managed to confuse them. :doh:

See, I didn't think the black stuff was anything at all. It seemed more like a broth or something which contained the little things (one of which David gave to Holloway). I thought those were the actual weapons, not the ooze.
Now we get to it: did David just give Holloway a "blob" or ooze, or did he discover and select a small organism of microbe from it? If David deliberately gave Holloway a worm/serpent/squid in microbe form, then a lot of my confusion is cleared up: the "ooze" merely contains living things in microbe form. They grow to become "worms" which grow into "serpents", these impregnate victims like a facehugger, which makes a squid, which makes the Xenomorph. The extra layer of metamorphosis is still troubling, but it begins to make sense.

You might be right. It seemed a bit different from the rest of the ooze. Perhaps the black ooze itself is just genetic life-creating conditions, hence how when the SJ drinks it at the beginning of the movie it creates life on Earth. They add those little suckers to weaponize it on LV-223, hence the rest of the movie.
Yes, like the white in an egg. This all rests on David giving Holloway an actual organism to drink rather than just ooze, of course.

I think you're mixing up Holloway, and Fifield. It's not Holloway that becomes aggresive, and a super strong rage zombie, that's Fifield. Holloway just lets himself be burnt to death by Vickers.
I was. Momentary loss of concentration. :doh:

What exactly happens to Fifield? You would expect the "serpent" to impregnate him, so how come he just becomes Frankenstein's monster?

The camera also stays on the worms in the black ooze to me is to show that when we see the alien snakes later that they were those worms, just mutated now. Also we don't really know if they impregnated the guy or not. We never see any alien monsters come from his dead body, and we see the alien snake shoot out of his mouth when the crew finds his body.

Argh! This gets more confusing. So, is the ****ing ooze a weaponising fluid, or is it just a nutritional culture for the worm/microbes to live in? If the serpents didn't impregnate Fifield, what exactly happened to him? Did they just fail to find a womb in him? Maybe these early creatures need a womb to develop in, while the later "facehuggers" can make do with a stomach or intestine?

Maybe David deliberately slipped Holloway a microbe in the weaponizing fluid, realizing what the effect of each was? That would allow both for the fluid to contain the "seed" of the squid, and have the weaponising effect on Fifield.

I'm presuming the "worms" must be in the ooze. It seems too much to believe that they were in the chamber by coincidence

Wouldn't the proto xenomorph now have Engineer dna, hence it's change from it's previous squid forms? I think even the xenomorphs we know have Engineer dna in them as their bodies resemble the Engineers suit in the later part of the movie.

Good spot.

I think their's also something that happens between this movie, and the original Alien that changes the xeno's physiology majorly. Maybe other Engineers capture the proto xeno, and change it for the worse into what we know from Alien?

I think something like that is a given. It's just that the transition from "squid" thing to "crustacean" thing is a much bigger leap than small "crustacean" (facehugger) thing to big "crustacean" thing. And the leap from laboratory-based genesis to a giant Queen laying eggs is a really huge one.

Need to see this movie again!
 
worms in the ooze would make sense because Holloway had a small worm inside his eye. right?
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The black goo definitely reacts to external forces.

When David opened the door letting oxygen in the sealed room the murials began to change and the black goo began to ooze.
Absolutely. In a crew of 17, David spikes Holloway's drink. No way is that a coincedence. He did it because Holloway was a *****e to him.
After I think wayland tells David to experienment with the ooze to see if it unlocked the secrets of immortality.
I don't think he spiked his drink out of malice. I think David choose him because he knew Holloway was one of the 3 people on the ship most willing to do anything to get answers.

The other two were Weyland and Shaw. I think he came across Holloway before Shaw which is why he spiked his drink.

Holloway would of mutated into a mutant neanderthal like Fifeild if Vickers didn't kill him. Holloway knew he was mutating into something bad which is why he was willing to sacrifice himself and accept death.

Even in the end Holloway put the mission before his own life.
 
worms in the ooze would make sense because Holloway had a small worm inside his eye. right?
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Ah, there's the proof. I had forgotten that. So, the ooze is nuitritional/weaponising fluid, which is seeded with worm/serpent/squids. But weren't the worms in Holloway's eye after he had sex with Shaw? If so, the worms ought to have done something to him. One of them was growing inside Shaw, but Holloway appeared to be effected by the weaponising element of the fluid, but to be otherwise left alone by the creatures.

Unless he did have one growing inside him. I suppose Vickers destroyed the evidence.

The black goo definitely reacts to external forces.

When David opened the door letting oxygen in the sealed room the murials began to change and the black goo began to ooze.

If I'm remembering correctly, the worms were already on the floor when the chamber door was first opened. I don't quite understand that- you would have thought that the worms would lie sentient in the cylinders until something was done to them. Unless the worms were deliberately imbedded in the floor, with the idea being that, once the chamber is entered, the ooze would leak down onto the worms and weaponise them. That makes the cylinders quite different to the Xeno eggs that they seem to stand in for.

It also throws confusion on why there were worms in the ooze that David slipped to Holloway. Did David get anything from off the chamber floor, along with the ooze from the cylinders?

Holloway would of mutated into a mutant neanderthal like Fifeild if Vickers didn't kill him. Holloway knew he was mutating into something bad which is why he was willing to sacrifice himself and accept death.

Even in the end Holloway put the mission before his own life.
He also ensured he was burned to death- a particularly nasty way to go- presumably to ensure that the alien tissue was destroyed along with him.

Edit: I found this amusing: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepag...with-12-baby-squid-after-eating-calamari.html
 
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Anybody thinks James Cameron and Ridley Scott are going to ever make an Alien 5?
I know Prometheus kind of fills that void but i'm talking of a sequel with the original xenomorph. Considering that they were going to use Ripley again and that Cameron wasn't a big fan of Alien 3 i wonder if Alien 3 and 4 were going to be retconed.

After Scott is done with Prometheus 2 (or 3, i don't know, he only talked about another sequel, but most here say it's going to be a trilogy) and possibly Blade Runner, i hope that him and Cameron team up as they were originally going to for Alien 5
 
Was that the music from Toonami?

No idea. I agreed with most of what Chris says (but I have my own theories on certain things). Chris is right about the early reviews of Alien without the hindsight of decades, Siskel and Ebert didn't like it. It's the same for Blade Runner, mixed reviews and the movie flopped because the audience were expecting an action flick (to be fair the trailer sold it as an action flick).
 
Can I just say i'm happy to see it will make around $21 million this weekend and have around a 55% drop. It shows the WOM isn't as bad as Internet haters make it out to be and means it probably will make enough for a sequel.
 
Can I just say i'm happy to see it will make around $21 million this weekend and have around a 55% drop. It shows the WOM isn't as bad as Internet haters make it out to be and means it probably will make enough for a sequel.
21mil is not a 55% drop. It will be saved by Father's Day but it's still not the Inception that some said it would be. Again my prediction for Huntsman and many other films were **** too so I'm not pretending that I know anything.

The movie had no competition and it's going to drop over 55% unless Father's Day just completely saves it. I wouldn't be celebrating about that drop because it points to mixed word of mouth at best. This would be dropping under 50% like Inception did if it's word of mouth was great.

I don't understand how this drop is good to some people and Huntsman was so awful last weekend?
 
After seeing this last weekend my feelings on the movie have changed. I mean I still like it but after thinking about it the movie is just okay. I do love that it opens up discussion among fans and the general audience but the movie presents more questions than answers and the ending was unsatisfying IMO. I know this is the beginning of a new trilogy but still.. I was gonna see this again in theaters but I don't really feel all that compelled to do so. I don't know..

By no means is this a bad movie just a little uneven. Like I said, it's nice to see a sci fi movie that opens up discussion among fans. But I am gonna lower my orginal rating to 7.5 instead of a 8.5 out of 10.
 
After seeing this last weekend my feelings on the movie have changed. I mean I still like it but after thinking about it the movie is just okay. I do love that it opens up discussion among fans and the general audience but the movie presents more questions than answers and the ending was unsatisfying IMO. I know this is the beginning of a new trilogy but still.. I was gonna see this again in theaters but I don't really feel all that compelled to do so. I don't know..

By no means is this a bad movie just a little uneven. Like I said, it's nice to see a sci fi movie that opens up discussion among fans. But I am gonna lower my orginal rating to 7.5 instead of a 8.5 out of 10.
Again i have to ask? When did Ridley mention a trilogy? I keep seeing fans saying it will be a trilogy but only a sequel was mentioned, in fact it seems like it was planed as a two part instead of a trilogy, anybody can give me a link where a trilogy is mentioned?
 
21mil is not a 55% drop. It will be saved by Father's Day but it's still not the Inception that some said it would be. Again my prediction for Huntsman and many other films were **** too so I'm not pretending that I know anything.

The movie had no competition and it's going to drop over 55% unless Father's Day just completely saves it. I wouldn't be celebrating about that drop because it points to mixed word of mouth at best. This would be dropping under 50% like Inception did if it's word of mouth was great.

I don't understand how this drop is good to some people and Huntsman was so awful last weekend?

Did you read their post or were you just rushing to pull out percentages?

No where did DACrowe not say the WOM wasn't mixed. He said not as bad. The word great was never used.

I'm pretty sure the difference is that Prometheus didn't cost an extra 40 million like SWATH.
 
Again i have to ask? When did Ridley mention a trilogy? I keep seeing fans saying it will be a trilogy but only a sequel was mentioned, in fact it seems like it was planed as a two part instead of a trilogy, anybody can give me a link where a trilogy is mentioned?

I not sure.. I just assumed that this would be a trilogy because of the nature of the story in this one.
 
I not sure.. I just assumed that this would be a trilogy because of the nature of the story in this one.
Really? The nature of the story and the ending made me feel like this was the first half with the last half being going to the engeneers planet
 
Here's a lot more of the creature designs and costumes photos by Creatures Inc Ltd

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Thanks for posting that. I am sticking to my theory of their being more than one "faction" of Engineers, with a Cultist group being responsible for animal life on Earth. Of course, millions of years must have passed between the Engineer swallowing the ooze and throwing himself off a waterfall, and another Engineer waking to tear off David's head; but I have a feeling that the difference in the motivation of the two must be accounted for by more than them just "changing their minds" about us.

Can I just say i'm happy to see it will make around $21 million this weekend and have around a 55% drop. It shows the WOM isn't as bad as Internet haters make it out to be and means it probably will make enough for a sequel.
I'm encouraged, too.

Prometheus is in no way a great movie, and my "head scratching" over some of its plot points are evidence of that. It also has a frankly irritating ending and some very weak characters and acting. But the fact it represents an attempt to put something interesting and thought provoking on a movie screen means that it deserves a lot of slack. It might be frustrating in its ambiguity, and it might be posturing as a more complex movie than it really is, but I enjoyed its sense of spectacle and the fact that it really does take you to convincing alien worlds. I want to see a sequel just because I want to see where we get taken next. In that sense, it is sci fi at its best, because it gives a sense of discovery and expectation.

I couldn't at first decide whether it is a movie that should or shouldn't have been made, given the iconic status of "Alien" and "Aliens", and the veneration for their mythology. But, overall, I am glad to have seen it, and I think Ridley did the right thing in making it different enough not to undermine the earlier films. So, I would say that it is "Terminator 3", rather than "Phantom Menace".
 
21mil is not a 55% drop. It will be saved by Father's Day but it's still not the Inception that some said it would be. Again my prediction for Huntsman and many other films were **** too so I'm not pretending that I know anything.

The movie had no competition and it's going to drop over 55% unless Father's Day just completely saves it. I wouldn't be celebrating about that drop because it points to mixed word of mouth at best. This would be dropping under 50% like Inception did if it's word of mouth was great.

$23 million would be. :o ;)

It's still going to be under 60% which is average enough to not be held against the film. No, it's not having the small drops of Inception, but people were predicting that before seeing it. While I like it, it has a lot more problems than Inception and has much more mixed WOM. Despite that mixed WOM, it has having an average drop for a second WW. It may not be Inception/Matrix percentages, but it's enough to be respectable.

I don't understand how this drop is good to some people and Huntsman was so awful last weekend?

I haven't really criticized SWATH, but SWATH had a much bigger marketing campaign and is a PG-13 potential franchise builder. Prometheus is rated R and other than Matrix, it's unlikely R-rated sci-fi films can compete with PG-13 actioners. I think both will be successful enough for Universal and Fox to consider sequels. To me, I just think most of Prometheus's audience will show up again for a sequel just out of curiosity while I don't think there's a lot of passion to see what happens next to Snow White or the Huntsman in SWATH. But yeah, I don't know why people are hating on SWATH's numbers other than it had higher expectations due to its rating and supposed star power. SWATH is supposed to prove Stewart is a movie star, while I love Noomi Rapace, I doubt anyone expected Prometheus to turn her into a bankable household name. But fair enough.
 
Absolutely. In a crew of 17, David spikes Holloway's drink. No way is that a coincedence. He did it because Holloway was a *****e to him.
After I think wayland tells David to experienment with the ooze to see if it unlocked the secrets of immortality.

He did it because he was irritated by Holloway and clearly feels emotions. Also, Lindelof and Fassbender have revealed David has a weird robot crush on Shaw. Given he watches her dreams for two years that makes sense. I'm not saying he is moving Holloway out of the way or anything, but he dislikes this man and finds Shaw more interesting without him around in the future.
 
Just saw Prometheus yesterday, and I really, really liked it. Even with all its flaws.
First, the visuals are spectacular,a true masterpiece in that aspect, and the 3d was well used. The acting is great, specially from Noomi and Fassbender. And I like that it expanded the Alien mythology and turned it into a huge puzzle.

But I think the pacing isn't very good, and the ending felt kinda forced. It has some plot holes or inconsistencies that makes things really confusing sometimes. I hope thse extra 20 minutes solve some of this problems.

But I also believe this movie has many layers that will only com to light with repeated viewings, and think it's a lot deeper than many have said.


And I really hope we get to see the extended opening scene, and that it explains some about what that scene really means.
 
Again i have to ask? When did Ridley mention a trilogy? I keep seeing fans saying it will be a trilogy but only a sequel was mentioned, in fact it seems like it was planed as a two part instead of a trilogy, anybody can give me a link where a trilogy is mentioned?

I'm not sure neither I didn't even know they were planning a sequel to this movie? Anyone have any links talking about a sequel to this?
 
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