Prometheus - Part 8

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Yeah and look how big "Deacon" was. :wow:

In the script for Alien, the Nostromo's crew finds the fossilized remains of the Alien that came out of the Derelict's Pilot. It's described as massive, several stories tall. They got as far as making a scale model for it. If that idea still holds, the Deacon could get much larger if it shows up in a sequel.
 
So guys, I saw a screenshot from the movie
of a well-built alien being that looked stark white or albino.
. Is that one of the Space Jockeys without the suit we saw in Alien?
 
So the purpose of The Engineer taking the black ooze at the opening was creating life on Earth?
 
Seems like it. The deleted materials point to it being a quasi-religious ritual.
 
The xenomorphs just adjusted to the years on the planet, so they no longer resembled the classic ones, in many complex ways.

The xenomorph is highly adaptable , and should be thought of more as a virus than an actual animal.
 
Well, yes, you agree then: David was "curious".

I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I need some help to understand various details of the alien fauna, and what does what.

In the movie "Alien", alien eggs break open, and a facehugger emerges. The facehugger impregnates a victim, and then bursts out of their abdomen as a fully formed (though small) Xenomorph. It then grows to adult size remarkably quickly, without seeming to need to absorb any matter to do so.

In "Aliens", the cocoon phase is introduced, where human victims are cocooned either before or after impregnation by a facehugger. This is a bit confusing. I suppose that they are cocooned first so that they are a nearby receptacle for the facehuggers once they hatch from their eggs, and then remain captive until the Xenomorph bursts free.

Now, in Prometheus, some of the fauna seems to correspond to what we know about Xenemorphic physiology, but some of it seems to work differently. In place of eggs, at this stage, there are what appear to be graphite cylinders, doubtless of industrial manufacture. There is living tissue within. Where does that tissue come from? There is no Queen around, and if there were, she presumably wouldn't lay graphite tubes. So perhaps the genetic material is entirely engineered. That's fine, but at what stage were egg-laying Queens developed? It doesn't seem credible that the engineers would have designed them, because a Queen is inevitably an extremely powerful, dangerous and independent creature who would likely be impossible to control, and whose brood would likely be impossible to contain. So did Queens evolve? I don't see how. Gender differentiation must occur the very early stages of the evolutionary tree (premammalian in our case), so I don't see how it could have developed once the Xenomorphs were established as bipedal vertebrates, no matter how much they changed otherwise. Even it was possible, it would require millions of years, especially since the Xenemorphs' birth and death rate is very low at this stage. I can't understand this at all.

Secondly, how does the genetic material in the cylinders behave? It appears to be a inanimate ooze when David first investigates it. But there are "worms" on the ground. How do the two relate? When the lost astronauts return to the chamber, they are attacked and killed by serpentine beings of considerable strength and ferocity. Are these supposed to have "hatched" from the cylinders, or are they the "worms", having undergone a vastly accelerated growth?

The latter seems more likely given the fate of Holloway. David tricks him into ingesting the "ooze" from a cylinder. He then seems to mutate into a hyper-aggressive, super-strong monster who is almost invulnerable. Did the same thing happen to Holloway as happened to the "worms"?

That would be fairly satisfactory- the engineers' biological weapon is an "ooze" that effectively "weaponises" any lifeforms on which they care to use it. But how, then, do we explain Shaw's freak pregnancy, and the physiology of the creature that grows within her? Holloway was undergoing a transformation when the two had sex, and the insinuation is clearly that the creature was transmitted to Shaw in Holloway's sperm. Was the creature a super-mutated sperm, effected by the "ooze"? That doesn't seem likely, because its physiology was too complex. It had too many tentacles, and gnashing mouths. So, it has to be an "original" alien creature. So, were the cylinders supposed to be carrying the seed of these squid-like creatures? If so, are we supposed to believe that the "weaponising ooze" is relatively incidental, like an egg-white to its yolk? That doesn't seem credible, since the effects of the ooze are so dramatic, and David clearly has ideas about what to do with it.

And how are these squid creatures usually born? It seems impractical for them to rely on being ingested and then planted inside another creature's womb. And why were the "worm/serpents" so keen to get inside peoples' throats? Presumably to get access to their gastric tracts, were they could either gestate or lay eggs to incubate. So, we're returning to the idea that the "squids" are usually born when the "serpents" impregnate a victim. Where the "worms" just "worms" then, independent of the "serpents"? Or where they indeed one and the same, and just a minor alien species that happened to be effected by the "weaponising ooze"? I actually like that, because it ultimately preserves the idea that the Xenomorphs are primarily a product of nature rather than design.

The problem with it, however, is the worm/serpent/squid/Xenomorph lifecycle. Unlike the facehugger from "Alien" and "Aliens", which simply looks to feed and reproduce once it has burst from a human victim as a fully formed adolescent Xenomorph, the "squid" seeks to impregnate another being again. Despite its enormous size and strength, its immediate priority when it meets with the engineer is to thrust its sex organs into his (?) throat, and impregnate him with a version of the Xenomorph we know. Several questions are raised by this. Firstly, why isn't the enormous and powerful "supersquid" the finished article? Secondly, why is its offspring so obviously physiologically different? I can accept "worm" > "serpent" and even "worm" > "serpent" > "squid" > "supersquid", but how can it be "worm" > "serpent" > "squid" > "supersquid" > "biped vertebrate with exoskeleton"? The last part just doesn't ring true, since the "proto-Xenomorph" doesn't resemble and of the previous stages in its life cycle at all. The Xenomorph does look a bit like the facehugger that creates it in "Alien", but its inception by the "supersquid" seems highly implausible. Finally, why would a species have three stages of generation (birth, metamorphosis to squid, metamorphosis to Xenomorph)? It seems contrived and I can't imagine an evolutionary basis for it, particularly since a stage has been shed by the time we meet these creatures in "Alien", just thirty years later.

So, I cannot come up with a coherent theory that explains the ooze and its effects, the lack of a Queen, the worms, the serpents, the life cycle of the squid; and how all of these refine themselves to create the Xenomophs, who have a clear and understandable reproduction based on Queens and eggs, and a clear one-stage metamorphosis from face-hugger to adult.

Your thoughts please!
I think you're mixing up Holloway, and Fifield. It's not Holloway that becomes aggresive, and a super strong rage zombie, that's Fifield. Holloway just lets himself be burnt to death by Vickers.

The camera also stays on the worms in the black ooze to me is to show that when we see the alien snakes later that they were those worms, just mutated now. Also we don't really know if they impregnated the guy or not. We never see any alien monsters come from his dead body, and we see the alien snake shoot out of his mouth when the crew finds his body.

Wouldn't the proto xenomorph now have Engineer dna, hence it's change from it's previous squid forms? I think even the xenomorphs we know have Engineer dna in them as their bodies resemble the Engineers suit in the later part of the movie. I think their's also something that happens between this movie, and the original Alien that changes the xeno's physiology majorly. Maybe other Engineers capture the proto xeno, and change it for the worse into what we know from Alien?
 
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I don't think the ooze has to do with "psyche." That sounds too much like the mood slime from Ghostbusters II.


Well you saw what it did to Peter and Brock in Spider-man 3 :oldrazz:



Nah , I don't think it had anything to do with pysche , it just reacted to genes differently. Eithe creating life or reviving it.
 
Well you saw what it did to Peter and Brock in Spider-man 3 :oldrazz:



Nah , I don't think it had anything to do with pysche , it just reacted to genes differently. Eithe creating life or reviving it.

You had Shaw's lover (who was quite mild mannered) just become sick and you had the guy with the funny haircut (who was antagonistic throught the movie) attacking people.
 
Holloway wasn't just sick. He seemed to be mutating into something else.
 
You had Shaw's lover (who was quite mild mannered) just become sick and you had the guy with the funny haircut (who was antagonistic throught the movie) attacking people.


Yeah but him being burnt alive might of prevented him from reviving or mutating.
 
Yeah but him being burnt alive might of prevented him from reviving.

Okay, that's a very good point.
But I do like my idea that the ooze reacts to the type of person you are and amplifies your persona.
 
I think if he wasn't burnt, he would have mutated into an aggressive monster. The original (and better than what's in the film) sketches of Fifield's return depict him as a human who taken on certain xenomorph features around his face and head. I still think that they should have left Fifield dead and made Holloway that turns into a rampage-killing monster in the movie.
 
I think if he wasn't burnt, he would have mutated into an aggressive monster. The original (and better than what's in the film) sketches of Fifield's return depict him as a human who taken on certain xenomorph features around his face and head. I still think that they should have left Fifield dead and made Holloway that turns into a rampage-killing monster in the movie.

I suppose that works a little better, maybe have Shaw kill Holloway for dramatic impact, but I did like the way it was played out.

How about this; David says to Holloway 'what are you prepared to do' and Hollloway replies 'anything', David should have said 'then drink this' and given Holloway the choice rather than spiking his drink.
 
I think if he wasn't burnt, he would have mutated into an aggressive monster. The original (and better than what's in the film) sketches of Fifield's return depict him as a human who taken on certain xenomorph features around his face and head. I still think that they should have left Fifield dead and made Holloway that turns into a rampage-killing monster in the movie.
I haven't seen those sketches, do you have them? I wonder if Holloway stayed alive what he would have mutated into? I think though they could have combined Holloway, and Fifield too. Plus Fifield got his face melted, but he still came back, and slightly mutated, but Holloway gets burnt, and doesn't come back? Is that because Fifeld got the black ooze on him, and Holloway just got that little drop of it?
 
I haven't seen those sketches, do you have them? I wonder if Holloway stayed alive what he would have mutated into? I think though they could have combined Holloway, and Fifield too. Plus Fifield got his face melted, but he still came back, and slightly mutated, but Holloway gets burnt, and doesn't come back? Is that because Fifeld got the black ooze on him, and Holloway just got that little drop of it?

That's another factor, Holloway only got a little dab of the ooze. I definately think the ooze reacts to it's surroundings and mutates when the environment changes.
 
Does anyone else think that even though david is only supposed to be imitating humans and mimicking emotions( he can't feel them but only understand them like it states in the viral etc.) he does actually develop emotions. There's a couple of scenes one or two with Holloway one with weyland's hologram at the beginning in which his reactions do seem to indicate that he does in fact has developed emotions although not perceived by the human characters as such.

A moment with charlie in particular in which he(david) goes from being sarcastic and just following his normal human imitating behavioral pattern to actually getting irritated by some of charlie's comments putting him down as lesser than the humans. I don't remember charlie's exact lines towards david but I'm sure you know which scenes I'm referring to. Also like I said before his reaction towards weyland's comments that he could never be human(have a soul or something along those lines) clenching his jaw in that moment as in frustration of being reminded what he was.

Also it was clear to me that although he was following Weyland's orders he was tired of being the servant and specially being treated as less and reminded of what he was and really wanted weyland dead to be free so to speak. Even though he was preferred over you know who.
 
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Does anyone else think that even though david is only supposed to be imitating humans and mimicking emotions( he can't feel them but only understand them like it states in the viral etc.) he does actually develop emotions. There's a couple of scenes one or two with Holloway one with weyland's hologram at the beginning in which his reactions do seem to indicate that he does in fact has developed emotions although not perceived by the human characters as such.

A moment with charlie in particular in which he(david) goes from being sarcastic and just following his normal human imitating behavioral pattern to actually getting irritated by some of charlie's comments putting him down as lesser than the humans. I don't remember charlie's exact lines towards david but I'm sure you know which scenes I'm referring to. Also like I said before his reaction towards weyland's comments that he could never be human(have a soul or something along those lines) clenching his jaw in that moment as in frustration of being reminded what he was.

Also it was clear to me that although he was following Weyland's orders he was tired of being the servant and specially being treated as less and reminded of what he was and really wanted weyland dead to be free so to speak. Even though he was preferred over you know who.
I wondered about that too. There are times where he clearly shows emotion to someone or what someone said to him or about him. Shouldn't he Not show any reaction or anything during those times? If he doesn't have any emotions, then why does he react as if he's depleased in the scenes you mention. I don't remember the lines, but I remember the scene you're talking about, and he does get visibly annoyed with Holloway, but technically he shouldn't, right? He's not human, so he shouldn't feel any annoyance or malice to anyone, but it seems like he does throughout the film. I'm starting to think that David wasn't a "normal" David robot, but a special, unique one. Afterall, he was Weyland's personal robot, and Weyland considered him his son, so maybe David was made more human by Weyland.
 
I definitely think David felt emotions.

IMO he definitely took some satisfaction in what he did to Holloway because of how Holloway was always a jerk to him.
 
I definitely think David felt emotions.

IMO he definitely took some satisfaction in what he did to Holloway because of how Holloway was always a jerk to him.

Absolutely. In a crew of 17, David spikes Holloway's drink. No way is that a coincedence. He did it because Holloway was a *****e to him.
After I think wayland tells David to experienment with the ooze to see if it unlocked the secrets of immortality.
 
I think if he wasn't burnt, he would have mutated into an aggressive monster. The original (and better than what's in the film) sketches of Fifield's return depict him as a human who taken on certain xenomorph features around his face and head. I still think that they should have left Fifield dead and made Holloway that turns into a rampage-killing monster in the movie.
you mean this?
http://xombiedirge.tumblr.com/post/25099514139/prometheus-fifield-mutation-concept-art-by-ivan
 
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