RoboCop Reboot - Part 7

[Bruce Malone]

They should have just made the reboot a hard R like the original (aside from the reasons I provided earlier), that would have been actual counter-programming to the Lego movie.

The fact that there were young kids at my showing, showed that there was some demo cross-overs with the 2 films.

With all these pg-13 remakes the studios keep putting out in the hopes they can attract a bigger audience than an R rating would, they all seem to under-perform anyways?

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It was never meant to compete with Lego. It wasn't until they pushed the date that this became a thing, and I am pretty filming was wrapped by then. Unless they wanted some expensive reshoots, they were never going to be able to make it such drastic counter-programming to Lego.

 

[Paradox1]

You do realize that isn't enough right? That is what everyone here is ignoring because most here are fans, which I get. But that doesn't change the numbers and what they represent. As the article said, it doesn't see how MGM doesn't lose here. Why do you think they mention this in the same article as point out those could end up being the numbers.

As I have said before with any budget, add at least %50.

Do I want it to fail? I don't particular care. But like with other box office talk I want people to read the numbers correctly.

And I probably won't be watching it at this point, well not until it appears on Netflix. Family would rather see Lego again. Then comes Winds and 300.

What would be telling is how it does this weekend when it opens in China the second largest market in the world. The second hobbit movie opened there this weekend to a whopping 32.7 million. Last year pacific rim made more money there than it did in the US. Which makes a sequel for that movie a good possibility.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

What kind of numbers do you think it can do in China?

 

[TheBeastWithin]

What would be telling is how it does this weekend when it opens in China the second largest market in the world. The second hobbit movie opened there this weekend to a whopping 32.7 million. Last year pacific rim made more money there than it did in the US. Which makes a sequel for that movie a good possibility.

Good point. I thought I remembered hearing that Pacific Rim was a flop when it came out in the U.S. but did well overseas, which seems to be the narrative with Robocop. Pacific Rim only made 100 million domestic and cost 190 million to make. Robocop cost nearly half that.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Pacific Rim made $411mil WW and didn't get close to profit. That was with $111m in China. It lost money. Quite a bit of money actually. As much as I love it, it lost money. You expect Robocop to do $300mil? Because that is around where "break even" starts, especially when you are talking more money internationally as opposed to domestically.

 

[TheBeastWithin]

If no sequel maybe a Robocop tv series, but a good one this time? HBO? Then you could go hard R with no problem. Was thinking this since I saw they are making a Constantine tv show.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I am all for good HBO series of anything. The Constantine show just doesn't sound like a good idea. Afterall Hellblazer was never close to big 4 friendly. Though I am not sure Robocop could be on HBO. Netflix would probably be the best bet.

 

[Drz]

HBO: Robocop with Robo sex bots!

 

[TheBeastWithin]

True Robocop Detective. Matthew McConaughey as Detective Alex Murphy. Woody Harrelson as Detective Sam Lewis.

 

[chintai80]

i'd buy that for a dollar. t:

 

[Paradox1]

What kind of numbers do you think it can do in China?

I'm not someone who makes predictions because I lack the knowledge of Chinese markets to do so. This movie also will be opening this week in Japan and Brazil ,will probably do well there for obvious reasons. Padilla being a hometown boy and Japan loving robots.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It already opened in Brazil. Not sure about Japan.

 

[chintai80]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234721/releaseinfo

out in china feb 28, japan march 14, and dominican republic march 27.

it's number one in brazil now, which isn't surprising since it's padhila's turf.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

So why exactly do you think the deadline article brought it up?

It always comes into play. I don't know where you got that idea from that it doesn't. Perhaps it is from all the bad box office information and talk that goes on on the Hype, but what you just wrote is completely wrong. It is why Man of Steel is considered a lukewarm success. Why when Begins made $374mil on $150mil budget, it needed the DVD sales to achieve The Dark Knight.

Hellboy got a sequel because it was well-received, and they were hoping it would boost like they hoped with Kick-Ass and The Dark Knight. GDT also made Pan's between the two films which helped boost his profile. But there is a reason GDT couldn't get funding for his next project after Hellboy 2 and ended up having to do PR which he never intended to direct. First Class is an active franchise, and well we see the route they went with it. Riddick become a low-budget film, and Rise of the Cobra saw a massive reduction in budget and a complete rehaul. GI Joe also as the luruxy of being a part of studio that is desperate for franchises.

If Robocop was a smash with general audiences and the critics a sequel with mediocre BO would be a good shout. But that isn't what has happened.

If you think it is only budget that counts, just look at Tron Legacy and Pacific Rim. Both films "doubled" their budget. Both were well received. Tron Legacy is still in early production after talks all the way back in 2011, and well PR doesn't even has whispers right now.

Oh it gets brought up, but when it comes to the budget of a movie its never considered nor is it really considered in the profit margins, not that I have seen anyway.

Tron Legacy is supposedly getting a sequel (I personally hope so anyway, the director is doing another movie at the moment though) and with PR we dont know, PR is a different animal in that it costs double what Robocop did, and there is no way they could do a sequel while reducing the budget. I think for Robocop they could do a sequel with a lower budget personally.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1234721/releaseinfo

out in china feb 28, japan march 14, and dominican republic march 27.

it's number one in brazil now, which isn't surprising since it's padhila's turf.

I dont see why the movie cant open in China with around 15-20 million and go on to make about 40-50 million there.

If Pacific Rim can I dont see why Robocop cant, Japan it should do pretty as well. I think when all is said and done this movie should make over 150 million overseas at the BO.

Die Hard 5 flopped domestically as well, but DH6 is being made on the basis of the international numbers, and DH cost just slightly less than Robocop.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Oh it gets brought up, but when it comes to the budget of a movie its never considered nor is it really considered in the profit margins, not that I have seen anyway.

Tron Legacy is supposedly getting a sequel (I personally hope so anyway, the director is doing another movie at the moment though) and with PR we dont know, PR is a different animal in that it costs double what Robocop did, and there is no way they could do a sequel while reducing the budget. I think for Robocop they could do a sequel with a lower budget personally.

And you got this idea from where? I am curious, because if it is this board it isn't the best source. There is a reason Deadline brought it up.

I'd like a Tron Legacy sequel, but it is no closer then it was 3 years ago. If it was profitable, this wouldn't be a question. In fact it would be coming out already as the studio would have made sure.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I dont see why the movie cant open in China with around 15-20 million and go on to make about 40-50 million there.

If Pacific Rim can I dont see why Robocop cant, Japan it should do pretty as well. I think when all is said and done this movie should make over 150 million overseas at the BO.

Die Hard 5 flopped domestically as well, but DH6 is being made on the basis of the international numbers, and DH cost just slightly less than Robocop.

Looking at Deadline's production cost for Robocop, Die Hard cost $92mil ($14mil less)and made $304mil. Over three times its budget. Do you think Robocop is going to make it to $350mil? That would be the equivalent for Robocop, which clearly also cost more to promote.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

And you got this idea from where? I am curious, because if it is this board it isn't the best source. There is a reason Deadline brought it up.

It only seems to get mentioned when a movie is either flopping or bordering on making a profit. It seems to be like Rotten Tomatoes gets mentioned by some fans when it gives good reviews to a movie they like and then the same fans lambast it when it gives bad reviews to a movie they like.

Marketing costs were never mentioned for the likes of Thor and Captain America both of which barely made a profit and got sequels. Both just made over their production budget domestically and marketing costs were never mentioned with them. Yet with RB its mentioned because it isnt doing so well domestically.

I'd like a Tron Legacy sequel, but it is no closer then it was 3 years ago. If it was profitable, this wouldn't be a question. In fact it would be coming out already as the studio would have made sure.

I must admit I am certainly not as confident about it happening as I was a year ago or even two years ago. Disney buying Marvel and Star Wars since Tron Legacy was out may mean a sequel is now on the backburner for them. As of now, it seems we are still getting one though.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Looking at Deadline's production cost for Robocop, Die Hard cost $92mil ($14mil less)and made $304mil. Over three times its budget. Do you think Robocop is going to make it to $350mil? That would be the equivalent for Robocop, which clearly also cost more to promote.

Robocop only cost $100 million according to multiple sources, so DH5 cost $8 million less and I personally remember a lot more adverts for DH5 than Robocop got, though I dont live in the US so it may have been different there.

I think Robocop has a shot at making $250 million WW, then comes the BD/DVD sales. I also think a Robocop sequel can be made for less than this movie was.

Drop all the EM-208's and have only 1 or 2 Ed-209's in the sequel and there is some budget gone.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

It only seems to get mentioned when a movie is either flopping or bordering on making a profit. It seems to be like Rotten Tomatoes gets mentioned by some fans when it gives good reviews to a movie they like and then the same fans lambast it when it gives bad reviews to a movie they like.

Because that is when it is relevant. Fans start talking box office numbers and read them in the most favorable light without really understanding the numbers. It is the same with RT. Like when you here people say, "well how is that a rotten score, he gave it a 2 1/2 out of 4", not willing to understand that the critics themselves decide whether their review is fresh or rotten.

Marketing costs were never mentioned for the likes of Thor and Captain America both of which barely made a profit and got sequels. Both just made over their production budget domestically and marketing costs were never mentioned with them. Yet with RB its mentioned because it isnt doing so well domestically.

Thor tripled its budget. But it is most important to realize Marvel's strategy. The first films were basically made as a wash. As long as they didn't bomb, like TIH, they were successful because they built to the Avengers model. To the franchise model that allows them to release two films a year that result in crazy profits.

As we have seen, it has worked. The Avengers didn't happen with Iron Man, Cap, and Thor. Iron Man 3 doesn't kill at the box office without The Avengers. Even TDW on a slightly larger budget, made nearly $200mil more.

Iron Man 3 and The Avengers have basically covered the cost of all of Phase 2. Everything they make on the rest of the films is basically profit. That is not even touching on how massive The Avengers merch profits have been. Other films here like Robocop aren't going to clear billions in merch over the next few years.

I must admit I am certainly not as confident about it happening as I was a year ago or even two years ago. Disney buying Marvel and Star Wars since Tron Legacy was out may mean a sequel is now on the backburner for them. As of now, it seems we are still getting one though.

I think it is most likely we will get one. But again if it was profitable, it wouldn't a question. It is more of a vanity/prestige project at this point.

 

[Paradox1]

After doing my research on the subject of when a movie is profitable. There is a general rule in Hollywood for it to be profitable. The movie has to make double it production value world wide. This movie in all likelihood will cross that mark and be profitable end of story.

Source: http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Because that is when it is relevant. Fans start talking box office numbers and read them in the most favorable light without really understanding the numbers. It is the same with RT. Like when you here people say, "well how is that a rotten score, he gave it a 2 1/2 out of 4", not willing to understand that the critics themselves decide whether their review is fresh or rotten.

Hhhmm, I personally dont see it as relevant YET with Robocop, we need to see how much it makes 1st IMO.

Thor tripled its budget. But it is most important to realize Marvel's strategy. The first films were basically made as a wash. As long as they didn't bomb, like TIH, they were successful because they built to the Avengers model. To the franchise model that allows them to release two films a year that result in crazy profits.

As we have seen, it has worked. The Avengers didn't happen with Iron Man, Cap, and Thor. Iron Man 3 doesn't kill at the box office without The Avengers. Even TDW on a slightly larger budget, made nearly $200mil more.

Iron Man 3 and The Avengers have basically covered the cost of all of Phase 2. Everything they make on the rest of the films is basically profit. That is not even touching on how massive The Avengers merch profits have been. Other films here like Robocop aren't going to clear billions in merch over the next few years.

Thor and Cap didnt make more than more their budgets if we include marketing domestically though, I know Marvel is different to other studio's, but they were the most obvious examples of what I was trying to say.

I think it is most likely we will get one. But again if it was profitable, it wouldn't a question. It is more of a vanity/prestige project at this point.

I think it was profitable, just not as much as Disney wanted, now with Marvel and SW they KNOW they will make profit every movie, so it stands to reason a Tron sequel isnt a priority for them anymore.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

After doing my research on the subject of when a movie is profitable. There is a general rule in Hollywood for it to be profitable. The movie has to make double it production value world wide. This movie in all likelihood will cross that mark and be profitable end of story.

Source: http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable

Yeah I have heard that before as a mark of profitability as well, if its true Robocop will definitely make a profit, then DVD/BD sales could green light a sequel.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

After doing my research on the subject of when a movie is profitable. There is a general rule in Hollywood for it to be profitable. The movie has to make double it production value world wide. This movie in all likelihood will cross that mark and be profitable end of story.

Source: http://io9.com/5747305/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need-to-make-to-be-profitable

Why during these conversations do people bring up that Io9 article and then not read it?

Look at the bit about international rights. And we already know Sony and MGM cut those up for this film. As the article said, "it depends". Everything from local taxes, which studio owns which territories, whether they sold local rights, etc.