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The Batman said:
X-Men Franchise

Thanks for posting, The Batman. :up:

First, let me say that I'm not in favor of anything resembling 'Ultimate X-Men.' But that's just my preference. Not that mine isn't the correct one, but I'll permit certain people to differ. :p

Anyway, with regard to the Brotherhood aspects, Senator Kelly's role in the story and the climax of the story, I very much prefer this to what we got in Singer's movies. I like the idea of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch switching sides, Sabretooth (who shouldn't actually be in the Brotherhood, but if it was made clear he was only in it for the money, that could work) actually having history with Wolverine, and Magneto having a decent villain plot that doesn't involve genetic manipulation as the first movie's plot. I also like the fact that you have Rogue with previous ties to the Brotherhood (through Mystique) and isn't trusted fully by the other X-Men.

As for the costumes, again, I don't want very much, if anything, carrying over from "Ultimate" to a movie. I like the idea of having Cyclops' suit be the one from 'Astonishing' and I think that's what I would do as well. That would solve the problem of how to make his yellow gloves, boots and trunks easier on the eye, although I'd still give him a trunks/harness like Wolverine, Colossus and Kitty Pryde. I would also give him a proper visor that actually held onto his face instead of that idiotic thing he seems to literally glue to his actual face in the comics now.
I wouldn't change Wolverine's tan parts of his costume to black, but I suppose that could be done well if the whole thing didn't turn out like in that crappy 'Evolution' cartoon.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Non Iced up" for Iceman's costume. Does that mean he looks like the ultimate version when he isn't iced up or that he never ices up? I wouldn't even consider him not icing up, but I could learn to forgive you if that's what you had in mind. ;)

Again, thanks for posting your ideas, The Batman. If you have any further ideas on my concept for a Batman video game, feel free to post those, and I think I'm going to post a little more on that soon and ask for everyone's thoughts.

:wolverine
 
zanos said:
Sounds a bit like the opening for Pryde of the X-Men.

Didn't I say it was?

Yeah, it's very much like that, except I don't remember if she ended up in the Danger Room or not. If not, then it's 'Pryde of the X-Men' coupled with the pilot for the 90's cartoon, because Jubilee did end up in the Danger Room in that and was freaked out by pretty much all the X-Men at first glance.

I think she's the best candidate for being the new member through whose eyes we meet the X-Men as a team. It's certainly a better plan than using Wolverine, since Wolverine should never be used as a "lost in the woods" archetype, and a movie should never have a plot that hinges on whether or not Wolverine is going to leave the team or not. He's been one of the most loyal X-Men from day one, whether he'd admit it or not. The question should whether a young girl can handle the danger and responsibility that comes with merely being near these strange people who have terrifying enemies. Also, she's more useful than Jubilee but can serve the one or two functions that Jubilee serves in an ongoing X-Men story (being a young, new member who initially scared of the X-Men; bringing out Wolverine's "soft side" and/or being his sidekick). In this day and age, it doesn't hurt to have a computer genius on your team, and Kitty Pryde far outshines even the Beast and the intelligence operatives that have served on the team (Banshee, Wolverine) when it comes to such things.

:wolverine
 
Herr Logan said:
I'm not in favor of what I know about this movie. They've turned Superman into a complete, unforgivable moron with the part where he neglects his duty to testify against Lex Luthor so he can go take a look at billions of tons of floating Kryptonite where his parents used to be.
We do not know for sure if Superman failed to testify, that is just a rumour at the moment. Also, we do not know Superman's true intentions for leaving. It seems very likely that Lex tricked Superman into leaving abruptly.
Especially if this is supposed to take place after 'Superman 2' where Superman told the president he wouldn't let him down again.
That is a different thing. Superman meant that he won't ignore his duties again, referring to him giving up his powers just to be with Lois. Superman leaves for Krypton with the intention of looking for survivors.
I could not care less how "vaguely" this movie is connected with that series, because any version of Superman wouldn't have ****ed up this badly unless it was a cheap way to raise comics sales with a "shocking event."
You are jumping the gun. Superman's reason for leaving in such a hurry is unknown.
A movie should portray the essence of the character (and I absolutely do not mean that in the way that pro-studio sheep mean it when they say it's okay for Spider-Man to not make jokes or build web-shooters), not the exceptions in his behavior over 60+ years.
Singer said he hired the actor to play Superman because his personality matched the character. From interviews, we can see Brandon Routh is humble, friendly, good-natured and not afraid of a little manual labour. He also shares a few Clark Kent characteristics.

I'm not in favor of Lois having a child when Superman comes back, period. There is no argument tat can give me the slightest bit of interest in this matter, much less change my mind, so do not make excuses here.
Why is it so bad? Bryan Singer said he wanted to tell a new Superman story that tested his character. Lois Lane having a child during Superman's absence does not ruin the character. In fact it shows the 'doesn't wait for anyone' part of Lois' personality. Also, the boyfriend she APPARENTLY had the child with is described as the human version of Superman. We must not forget the kid could also be Superman's, from when he and Lois had intercourse in Superman II.
In fact, do not make excuses for anything in any movie without offering at least an equivalent number of criticisms, with at least as much time spent on the latter as the former. That's a natural law of this thread, not a suggestion.
Okay, fine. I'm not a fan of the colour scheme for the costume. Brandon Routh looks weird in some angles. I don't like how Singer retconned Superman finding his powers at an earlier age. Luthor being the only villain again is questionable.

Also, there is nothing in this world that will ever make me accept the costume, and if they can't get the costume to look good on an actor who is big enough and almost buff enough to play the part, they've already utterly failed. The costume is simplicity incarnate, and they chose to screw it up. There is no excuse, and I don't want to hear anything that sounds like one with regard to this issue.
Well, I can't change the fact you dislike the costume. But I don't particularly like Christopher Reeve's costume either. Doesn't stop me from liking the movies.

I'm not sure who exactly you're referring to when you say "idiots," but if it's the so-called "haters," then you can be sure I'm not going to speak out against them.
No, not them (unless they are just irrational). I used to be one of them.
As far as the ovine sycophants that sing the praises of Singer to their dying breath, there's no point in fighting with them. It's not as much fun for me to fight pointless battles as it once was.
But, don't you remember the good times in the Spider-Man 2 forum?
That's one reason I created this thread, so that those of us who know better and want better can talk about what would be better without interference from wool-growing troglodytes who can't think for themselves or form an analytical opinion.

:wolverine
But why should we seperate ourselves for being smarter? I may have more common sense than them, but I still want to share my views with them. Otherwise there is no point on being on a message board.
 
Saph said:
We do not know for sure if Superman failed to testify, that is just a rumour at the moment. Also, we do not know Superman's true intentions for leaving. It seems very likely that Lex tricked Superman into leaving abruptly. That is a different thing. Superman meant that he won't ignore his duties again, referring to him giving up his powers just to be with Lois. Superman leaves for Krypton with the intention of looking for survivors. You are jumping the gun. Superman's reason for leaving in such a hurry is unknown. Singer said he hired the actor to play Superman because his personality matched the character. From interviews, we can see Brandon Routh is humble, friendly, good-natured and not afraid of a little manual labour. He also shares a few Clark Kent characteristics.

Why is it so bad? Bryan Singer said he wanted to tell a new Superman story that tested his character. Lois Lane having a child during Superman's absence does not ruin the character. In fact it shows the 'doesn't wait for anyone' part of Lois' personality. Also, the boyfriend she APPARENTLY had the child with is described as the human version of Superman. We must not forget the kid could also be Superman's, from when he and Lois had intercourse in Superman II. Okay, fine. I'm not a fan of the colour scheme for the costume. Brandon Routh looks weird in some angles. I don't like how Singer retconned Superman finding his powers at an earlier age. Luthor being the only villain again is questionable.

Well, I can't change the fact you dislike the costume. But I don't particularly like Christopher Reeve's costume either. Doesn't stop me from liking the movies.

No, not them (unless they are just irrational). I used to be one of them. But, don't you remember the good times in the Spider-Man 2 forum?
But why should we seperate ourselves for being smarter? I may have more common sense than them, but I still want to share my views with them. Otherwise there is no point on being on a message board.

Your ratio of excuses to criticisms is extremely uneven. I'm not going to address these points, because they don't belong here. I thought you would have learned your lesson from 'Fantastic Four' when it came to this kind of grasping at straws to justify crappy filmmaking, but that's no longer my concern. This conversation doesn't belong here, it belongs in a 'Superman Returns' forum or a generalized forum dedicated to justifying various movies for what they are (or what they appear to be before release). This thread is about suggestions for improving or replacing crappy superhero adaptations, and I shouldn't have to remind anybody here of that again, much less you.

I personally don't have any solid ideas for a faithful Superman movie, but I can say for a sure fact that this upcoming film doesn't qualify. If anyone wants to propose improvements or replacements for this film as we know it, they are welcome. If anyone wants to make excuses for what we know or don't know about any given made movie, take it somewhere else!

:wolverine
 
Herr Logan said:
I thought you would have learned your lesson from 'Fantastic Four' when it came to this kind of grasping at straws to justify crappy filmmaking, but that's no longer my concern.

:wolverine
I did. Which is why I was extremely critical of the movie. Until I learned more, and decided that I liked what i'm hearing. This movie is in no way like Fantastic Four. The story was created with respect and care. I'm sorry if nothing can meet your impossible standards.
 
What Herr is saying is correct Saph,this is a thread for ideas on how to make faithfull comic movies not one to defend current ones

BTW i have been very absent over the holidays;hope you guys all had a good one and im hopefully gonna contribute something to this thread again,i have had other issues to deal with but now i have some time i have one or two idea's to put forth
 
hunter rider said:
What Herr is saying is correct Saph,this is a thread for ideas on how to make faithfull comic movies not one to defend current ones
I realise this. Me and Herr are just having an off-topic discussion. Which is over BTW.
 
Saph said:
I realise this. Me and Herr are just having an off-topic discussion. Which is over BTW.

OK i only posted that as the other posts were being made,i just wanted to try and break it up cos you two can get all Ferrel at times:mad:
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hunter rider said:
What Herr is saying is correct Saph,this is a thread for ideas on how to make faithfull comic movies not one to defend current ones

BTW i have been very absent over the holidays;hope you guys all had a good one and im hopefully gonna contribute something to this thread again,i have had other issues to deal with but now i have some time i have one or two idea's to put forth

That's right, you have been absent a while. :mad: ;)

Hope you had a great holiday, Hunter. Good to see you again, and thanks for the support. If I recall correctly, you were one of the first people I told about my plan to create this thread, and it's ideas like yours that have made it a good thread to read. :up:

:wolverine
 
Herr Logan said:
That's right, you have been absent a while. :mad: ;)

Hope you had a great holiday, Hunter. Good to see you again, and thanks for the support. If I recall correctly, you were one of the first people I told about my plan to create this thread, and it's ideas like yours that have made it a good thread to read. :up:

:wolverine

Thanks Herr:up:
I remember you were concerned it wouldn't take off but look at it,now 600 plus posts deep and going strong
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I enjoyed our Daredevil collaboration and hope to have something to offer soon
 
More 'Batman: Dark Knight Detective' video game thoughts

I know many of you were interested in this idea, so I'm interested in more imput from you guys.

I haven't come up with a solid plot yet, but I know certain things I want included in the game. A poster in a Batman video game thread said that he would want an official comic book writer to write the plot and script, and I think that's reasonable. I would be in favor of Jeph Loeb, personally. That guy may have had a huge hand in that crap-fest 'Smallville,' but he does know how to write a good detective story featuring the Dark Knight.

Again, I want pretty much all of the Batman's greatest villains in this game and involved in a long-running conspiracy plot to various degrees, with or without their knowledge. Sounds very similar to 'Hush,' I realize, but 'Hush' was very rushed in the second half and even seemed a little sloppy in some places. I want this to play out as if it were taking place over a year or so, like at least two of Jeph Loeb's previous works ('The Long Halloween,' 'Dark Victory'). I want the tone to play out like a mixture of 'Hush' and 'Dark Victory' in that it's very atmospheric and focused on detective work, but also representative of how the individual villains and other characters behave and action-oriented. I want the Riddler to be a big part of it, but he doesn't necessarily have to be behind the whole thing. I don't want Hush to be the mastermind, but he can be in on it if that would work out well.

Like I've said before, I want these things to happen in the course of the story: flashback scenes for tutorials in basically all of the Batman's crimefighting methods (Fighting, Getting around, Detective Skills, Gadgets, Psychological Tactics... each of these areas have many, many lessons to learn), more or less "real time" time passage at night when you patrol and follow up on cases, someone kills off all your street informants so you have to establish new ones, someone either outs or frames all your undercover identities (including Matches Malone) so you have to create at least one or two new ones, and other stuff I haven't decided on.

Anyway, now that I've got the preamble out of the way, here's the new stuff:

I have decided that my earlier declaration that the Batman would have to work toward real life standards of case-building to allow the police and D.A. to get solid convictions for criminals was over-ambitious and unrealistic. While the half-assed way they do it in the 'True Crime' games (you either find contraband during a search or catch someone in the midst of a crime or escaping the scene, cuff them after subduing them, dump them on the ground and go on your merry way to bust new perps) is not nearly good enough for a cop, it's actually perfect for the Batman. As much as I want this game to be as realistic as possible, it's more important that it match up with how things are done in the comics and the animated series, so I could let some things slide. The Batman busts criminals all the time that he just leaves tied up or cuffed at the scene. He always calls the cops to the scene if they haven't been called already, though. I'd have it work this way in the game, and you could choose when you called the police if you wanted to search the scene for a while. Presumably the cops would have oustanding warrants on most of these perps as well as evidence on the perps they could use in court, but there's also leads the Batman needs to follow regarding the underlying conspiracy to which the cops can't be privy just yet. So yeah, the Batman will track down crooks, unearth incriminating evidence whenever possible, but will not follow up most of these arrests after the fact. He catches petty crooks and moves onto the next crime while on patrol, or the next case if there are any unsolved.

Here is something else I've been thinking about a lot lately; how the Batmobile will operate. I've said before that there are certain bonus items you can use at various stages in the game that if you mess up with too much, you'll have to retrain yourself and pass tests before you can continue to use it. The Batmobile should be available at all times for the most part, but if you're crashing into stuff, I think control should be taken away. The Batmobile has autopilot, so that can be used in most circumstances and should be mandatory if you can't drive properly. One thing I wanted for sure for this game is that driving would not be a huge focus. There are so many freeroaming games now that force you to drive all over the place and occasionally race someone, tail someone and outrun and lose someone. I think you should have to use the car a fair amount in this game and should have to chase people and maybe run from the cops (during which you can't use autopilot), but there should be no races (except in an early tutorial where you learn how to handle fast cars around various courses) and you should be able to set an autopilot course to get where you're going if the car is what you want to use to get there (like if it's a long way away and you're on a schedule). The Batman is an action hero with a lot of high-tech stuff, so he should spend most of the time on his feet and not in the car, and you shouldn't have to waste time crashing through obstacles on the sidewalk to play the game. Also, there won't be any time limits that aren't absolutely necessary for the game, or at least none that are unreasonable. If there is a time limit that in real life wouldn't be known to you to the exact second, then you just have to hurry your ass up and hope there's enough time; no countdown clock on the screen unless you know exactly how much time you have to get somewhere or do something.

Anyway, back to the enforced autpilot thing. The Batman is not only a competent driver, but an excellent driver. It wouldn't do for him to clumsily plow through objects on sidewalks and crash into other cars when not in a high-speed chase (and even then it's not encouraged). It certainly wouldn't be okay if he ran someone over. If he kills someone, then the game is over and he has to start over at a minute or so before he failed. Now, because the main plot is supposed to be centered around an insidious conspiracy that infiltrates all levels of Bruce Wayne's life (it just now occurred to me that bad things should happen to Wayne Enterprises as well during all this), I'm thinking that a player's clumsiness could actually tie into the story. If you drive like an idiot (which is really easy to do and sometimes hard not to do in a video game), then the Batman will cut your control off and let the car drive itself with you picking out a destination and/or course on the GPS, and perhaps he could mention that his reflexes and overall performance have been suffering lately. What I'm getting at is, maybe there's something biologically wrong with him that is caused by his unseen enemy or enemies. This is a good place for Hush to play a part, and/or the Scarecrow and/or Poison Ivy. What do you guys think?

:wolverine
 
I think it'd be funner to have the civilians dive out of the way of the Batmobile ala Crazy Taxi rather than allow players to pull a Carmageddon. Of course, there should be consequences for terrorizing people on the sidewalk, but having fun should be the first priority.
 
Zev said:
I think it'd be funner to have the civilians dive out of the way of the Batmobile ala Crazy Taxi rather than allow players to pull a Carmageddon. Of course, there should be consequences for terrorizing people on the sidewalk, but having fun should be the first priority.

Now, now... terrorizing civilians is the Joker's job, not the Batman's. :o

There should totally be a game where you can play the various Batman villains. :O

:wolverine
 
The sad thing is, going by the success of Hostel, there's probably be a big market for Black Mask's "torture innocent young girl with power drill" minigame.
 
Zev said:
The sad thing is, going by the success of Hostel, there's probably be a big market for Black Mask's "torture innocent young girl with power drill" minigame.

Black Mask's "torture innocent young girl with power drill" minigame... heh!! :D

That's cruel. :(

I've heard 'Hoste' is a movie I could stand to skip.

:wolverine
 
Herr Logan said:
Now, now... terrorizing civilians is the Joker's job, not the Batman's. :o

There should totally be a game where you can play the various Batman villains. :O

:wolverine
Actually, there could be a very creepy survival Horror game based around the Joker. Players could play as an innocent victim trying to avoid being the next victim of the Clown Prince of Crime. Then, in alternating sequences, they could play as Batman, looking for clues to the victims whereabouts and so forth, while dealing with various other situations.
 
More info on that idea... Sorry about that...

The victim has been captured by the Joker, sort of like Saw only not as grisly. (For the record, I haven't seen Saw, so what I know comes strictly from the reviews/trailer.) There's a whole variety of puzzles to solve and deathtraps to avoid, with a time limit to make it interesting (complete said area in x minutes or the room will be filled with joker gas, say.) On this, you could have the victim escape and be pursued by the Joker through Gotham.

Batman, meanwhile, not only has to find the victim and the Joker, but also deal with a massive gang war between, say, the Penguin and Two Face. (Or, if you'd rather drop Two Face, Rupert Thorne.) This might not sound too survival horrorish.. Poison Ivy unleashing plant monsters might work just as well... but I'm just improvising here.
 
Herr Logan said:
Thanks for posting, The Batman. :up:

First, let me say that I'm not in favor of anything resembling 'Ultimate X-Men.' But that's just my preference. Not that mine isn't the correct one, but I'll permit certain people to differ. :p

Anyway, with regard to the Brotherhood aspects, Senator Kelly's role in the story and the climax of the story, I very much prefer this to what we got in Singer's movies. I like the idea of Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch switching sides, Sabretooth (who shouldn't actually be in the Brotherhood, but if it was made clear he was only in it for the money, that could work) actually having history with Wolverine, and Magneto having a decent villain plot that doesn't involve genetic manipulation as the first movie's plot. I also like the fact that you have Rogue with previous ties to the Brotherhood (through Mystique) and isn't trusted fully by the other X-Men.

As for the costumes, again, I don't want very much, if anything, carrying over from "Ultimate" to a movie. I like the idea of having Cyclops' suit be the one from 'Astonishing' and I think that's what I would do as well. That would solve the problem of how to make his yellow gloves, boots and trunks easier on the eye, although I'd still give him a trunks/harness like Wolverine, Colossus and Kitty Pryde. I would also give him a proper visor that actually held onto his face instead of that idiotic thing he seems to literally glue to his actual face in the comics now.
I wouldn't change Wolverine's tan parts of his costume to black, but I suppose that could be done well if the whole thing didn't turn out like in that crappy 'Evolution' cartoon.
I'm not sure what you mean by "Non Iced up" for Iceman's costume. Does that mean he looks like the ultimate version when he isn't iced up or that he never ices up? I wouldn't even consider him not icing up, but I could learn to forgive you if that's what you had in mind. ;)

Again, thanks for posting your ideas, The Batman. If you have any further ideas on my concept for a Batman video game, feel free to post those, and I think I'm going to post a little more on that soon and ask for everyone's thoughts.

:wolverine


Yeah, thats what i meant about iceman. its just his suit when he's not iced up. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on my ideas.

As for a Batman game, i remember a thread similar to your guys' discussions on the batman games board. One idea i have is similar to X-Men Legends, where you get to play old comic book stories, like Detective Comics 27 or something like that.
 
Dear Safe Haven,
Batman Begins is overrated and i demand a better sequel and original plot that doesn't mirror batman 89'...villian created batman, Batman takes love interest to the batcave to give the antidote to save the city from another gassing ploid.

Discuss this in a thread about Batman Begins on the Batman Boards people call you names and don't talk about the opinion stated they rely on bashing you and bashing Batman 1989.

Its no good to speak your opinion where its not wanted. Its a controlled discussion. Antagonzing and bullying you out and continuing to do so when you step way from the conversation.
 
Cullen said:
Actually, there could be a very creepy survival Horror game based around the Joker. Players could play as an innocent victim trying to avoid being the next victim of the Clown Prince of Crime. Then, in alternating sequences, they could play as Batman, looking for clues to the victims whereabouts and so forth, while dealing with various other situations.

If you wanted to have a really in-depth survival game like that, I would suggest keeping it separate from the Batman universe, but that could also work well if Warner Brothers, DC Comics, etc. were okay with it.

I feel like people would try this game out and very quickly get frustrated as hell with it during the parts where they couldn't be the Batman. They'd be like "God dammit! He wouldn't get away with this sh1t if I was the Batman! I'd use my laser torch to get out of this God damn room and then I'd use my UV vision and foot print spray to track that sum'b1tch down and punch his damn teeth out of that grinning skull o' his!"

Or maybe that's just how I'd react. :O

I very much like the idea of a game where the puzzles are designed to get you out of immediate or immenent danger from twisted death traps instead of just getting you out of a map or allowing you access to whatever you're searching for. I saw the first 'Saw' and am waiting for the sequel to come out on DVD, and I think that kind of thing could make a great video game.

:wolverine
 
Abaddon said:
The main differences are that:

1) Rogue is introduced as a brash,sort of rough-and-tumble kind of gal.
2) Wolverine is already established as being an assasin,and having a history with Sabretooth
3)The seeds of a relationship between Rogue and Mystique are sown.
4) Colossus is already a member of the X-men.


To continue on a bit,Logan is taken to the X-mansion where he's introduced to the other X-men.He meets the younger students including Kitty Pryde who recently joined the school.He's reminded of Rogue who disappeared in the midst of the battle.The X-men ask him about Sabretooth,and Logan tells them that he shared a history with him.They were both assasins,who have vague memories of their past.Logan is aware that he was experimented on but he doesnt fully recall the details.He asks the team about Rogue,and they tell him about Magneto and the Brotherhood of Mutants.

Meanwhile,Rogue is introduced to the Brotherhood.She and Mystique have a chat about being different from others,and being persecuted for being special.Rogue then meets Magneto who manages to capture Rogue's interest with his demagoguery.Pyro tells Magneto about the encounter with Wolverine, a "new X-man",and the mysterious Sabretooth.Somehow or another(I havent thought of it yet.:o) they find out Sabretooth is an assasin.Magneto recruits him in exchange for giving him the opportunity to take on Logan.Sabretooth accepts and "joins" the ranks.The Brotherhood gathers in a plan to eliminate the human threat.Magneto reveals he has been building a device that will turn humans into mutants(I havent thought of anything better.:o),however there a necessary component he needs to complete it.The team storm Cape Citadel where the electronic component is, and are confronted by the X-men.



Instead Magneto's been working on a device that will amplify his powers,allowing him to disrupt electronic systems from a great distance.It can basically wreak havoc in big cities by sending out a kind of pulse wave.


Eventually Magneto reveals that he needs Rogue to help him power the device.Although the machine will amplify his abilities,he'll have very little control over them.He'll allow her to siphon off some of his powers,and they'll both be able to use to device to target specific areas.Rogue is reluctant to do this,but is somewhat complacent.Mystique is more concerned because the electromagnetic radiation may be too much for the girl.

I completely forgot what happens after this,but I'll move on to the climax while its still fresh in my mind.:o


The X-men confront The Brotherhood and eventually best them.Rogue and Magneto are locked in the device which begins amplifying their magnetic abilities.Rogue begins to tell him that she feels too much energy surging through her,but Magneto is adamant.He question her faith in his plan,and basically tells her to suck it up.

The machine begins affecting the Blackbird,and Kitty Pryde(who snuck onboard) slips out while the device begins to go haywire.Phasing through the front of the jet,however,causes it to shortcircuit and the wonkyness ends.


Magneto realizes that his team has been taken out and goes off to deal with the X-men himself.Storm flies up to confront him,and they engage in an aerial battle.Cyclops backs her and tells the others to get Rogue.Jean tries to stop the device,but the electromagnetic energy seems to have negated her telekinesis in some way.She instead gets in Rogue's head and tries to get her to focus but Rogue is being too overwhelmed and can feel body giving out on her.Shadowcat shows up on the scene and realizes she can stop the machine.She phases it through it stopping the device from amplifying her abilities.Colossus breaks Rogue free of the device and carries the girl away from it.Magneto sees this and quickly dispatches of the X-men with his amped-up powers.He then chastizes Rogue for allowing them to stop his plan.Angered by this,Rogue uses the stolen abilities and fights Magneto.The other X-men soon join the fray.Jean sends some of the broken pieces of the machine at Magneto who catches them in the air,however he's distracted enough to allow Cyclops to blast him.Magento spins in the air and is swept up in a mini-tornado Storm created.She sends it slamming into a wall.

I'll continue this a bit later....:o
 
The Batman said:
Yeah, thats what i meant about iceman. its just his suit when he's not iced up. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on my ideas.

As for a Batman game, i remember a thread similar to your guys' discussions on the batman games board. One idea i have is similar to X-Men Legends, where you get to play old comic book stories, like Detective Comics 27 or something like that.

I was actually thinking of having the player play out classic storylines, but for this particular game I think that shouldn't be a primary focus. The reason is that I want it to be a true "Batman simulation," where you actually have to solve new crimes on your own (and with the help of the supporting cast, of course). This is why I would have all third-person FMVs (as in, the scenes where the Batman himself is not present) delayed until the player guides the Batman to figure out what has happened in those scenes (like villains plotting and committing crimes, cops doing their job, etc.). This doesn't count for other characters you would have to control at various points, however (perhaps Nightwing but definitely Robin and Alfred). The crimes committed by the eccentric rogues you'll have to solve will mostly be very similar to what they've done in the comics already, so that will be the biggest hint of all without breaking the fourth wall. Just as an FBI profiler can more easily track a serial offender who has a prior record, the Batman has vast amounts of information on all convicted criminals and even booked suspects. Still, if the player were actually reliving a classic scenario and knew their Batman continuity, they would know exactly what to do, thus removing much of the challenge.

I do like the idea of playing classic scenarios, though, and I think perhaps those should be bonus features you can unlock throughout the game. Actually, now that I think about it, they could fit smoothly into the main game as flashback sequences that the Batman recalls when the villain of the current case is a suspect. The flashback sequences will be easier to complete because the Batcomputer database that you can access at most points in the game has all that history recorded. You can basically check the database and see what exactly you need to do if there's something clever or specific that gets the job done. In the current storyline, however, you have to figure out what you need to do with the Batcomputer database as a guide that tells you the criminals' M.O.s, motives, known associates, etc. and the specific details of the most notable encounters (which you would play through in the flashback scenes).

I'm not sure if most of that made sense; I'm juggling ideas here. Anyway, I think having flashbacks to pieces of classic storylines would be a good way to have a real tutorial for specific enemies and a nice piece of nostalgia. Great idea, The Batman. :up:


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ZER0C00L said:
Dear Safe Haven,
Batman Begins is overrated and i demand a better sequel and original plot that doesn't mirror batman 89'...villian created batman, Batman takes love interest to the batcave to give the antidote to save the city from another gassing ploid.

Discuss this in a thread about Batman Begins on the Batman Boards people call you names and don't talk about the opinion stated they rely on bashing you and bashing Batman 1989.

Its no good to speak your opinion where its not wanted. Its a controlled discussion. Antagonzing and bullying you out and continuing to do so when you step way from the conversation.

Welcome to the Haven, ZER0COOL. :up:

Yes, the Hype is full of conformist bullies that blindly defend various movies without any room for analytical thought. That's why this thread exists, so we can criticize these products constructively and discuss alternatives that would better suit the needs of discerning fans of the source material.

I like 'Batman Begins' very much, but it was by no means perfect and many of the aspects you mentioned were questionable at best. I wrote up a partial treatment for an "edited" version of 'Begins' in which I would have kept the Scarecrow and had him try to poison the whole city, but there would be absolutely no love interest (unless the Catwoman showed up in the first one, and that would only be a brief flirtation, mostly on her part) and the villain of the "current" storyline would not have had a direct hand in the Batman's formation. The primary villains would be Carmine "the Roman" Falcone, the Scarecrow, and the Penguin. They would not be working together throughout the whole story, if at all.

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Abaddon said:
Instead Magneto's been working on a device that will amplify his powers,allowing him to disrupt electronic systems from a great distance.It can basically wreak havoc in big cities by sending out a kind of pulse wave.


Eventually Magneto reveals that he needs Rogue to help him power the device.Although the machine will amplify his abilities,he'll have very little control over them.He'll allow her to siphon off some of his powers,and they'll both be able to use to device to target specific areas.Rogue is reluctant to do this,but is somewhat complacent.Mystique is more concerned because the electromagnetic radiation may be too much for the girl.

I completely forgot what happens after this,but I'll move on to the climax while its still fresh in my mind.:o


The X-men confront The Brotherhood and eventually best them.Rogue and Magneto are locked in the device which begins amplifying their magnetic abilities.Rogue begins to tell him that she feels too much energy surging through her,but Magneto is adamant.He question her faith in his plan,and basically tells her to suck it up.

The machine begins affecting the Blackbird,and Kitty Pryde(who snuck onboard) slips out while the device begins to go haywire.Phasing through the front of the jet,however,causes it to shortcircuit and the wonkyness ends.


Magneto realizes that his team has been taken out and goes off to deal with the X-men himself.Storm flies up to confront him,and they engage in an aerial battle.Cyclops backs her and tells the others to get Rogue.Jean tries to stop the device,but the electromagnetic energy seems to have negated her telekinesis in some way.She instead gets in Rogue's head and tries to get her to focus but Rogue is being too overwhelmed and can feel body giving out on her.Shadowcat shows up on the scene and realizes she can stop the machine.She phases it through it stopping the device from amplifying her abilities.Colossus breaks Rogue free of the device and carries the girl away from it.Magneto sees this and quickly dispatches of the X-men with his amped-up powers.He then chastizes Rogue for allowing them to stop his plan.Angered by this,Rogue uses the stolen abilities and fights Magneto.The other X-men soon join the fray.Jean sends some of the broken pieces of the machine at Magneto who catches them in the air,however he's distracted enough to allow Cyclops to blast him.Magento spins in the air and is swept up in a mini-tornado Storm created.She sends it slamming into a wall.

I'll continue this a bit later....:o

I like this a lot. :D

I can't get more detailed than that right now, but this scene really would kick ass. :up:

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