Scott vs. Jean wouldn't have worked.

[DACrowe]

Hm, if done with conviction (and watching Mardsen at the end of X2 and beginning of X3 convinces me he had it) I don't know. I didn't wirte diologue but generalized what they would say (other than "I love you Jean" which was in there but very unrealistic for Logan to say).

And I think Logan being pushed back by the Pheonex's force but Cyclops being able to reach her because Pheonex can't kill him would be great. For there to be a moment where she is not in evil mode for him to try and reach her would have been much more powerful than Logan walking up and just stabbing her in the chest.

In all honesty, that scene in X3 reminded me a lot of Van Helsing and how it ended (and that is not a good thing). I also like the idea of Logan and Cyclops working together throughout the third film and going from resentment to a gradual and beggrudging respect and at the end they should aprt ways as friends with a hand shake (as Logoan refused to shake his hand in X1 in the same office) instead of Logan staying on. I would have preferred an uncured Rogue (who would've helped the demise of Mags by touching him instead of Beast....retribution for the first film which was hinted at in X2) to go oon the "run" again with Logan at the end. It would have been a better epilogue than her as cured and he a teacher....and Cyclops a...whatever you are when you are demolocurized.

Just my opinion though.

 

[Darthphere]

Hm, if done with conviction (and watching Mardsen at the end of X2 and beginning of X3 convinces me he had it) I don't know. I didn't wirte diologue but generalized what they would say (other than "I love you Jean" which was in there but very unrealistic for Logan to say).

And I think Logan being pushed back by the Pheonex's force but Cyclops being able to reach her because Pheonex can't kill him would be great. For there to be a moment where she is not in evil mode for him to try and reach her would have been much more powerful than Logan walking up and just stabbing her in the chest.

In all honesty, that scene in X3 reminded me a lot of Van Helsing and how it ended (and that is not a good thing). I also like the idea of Logan and Cyclops working together throughout the third film and going from resentment to a gradual and beggrudging respect and at the end they should aprt ways as friends with a hand shake (as Logoan refused to shake his hand in X1 in the same office) instead of Logan staying on. I would have preferred an uncured Rogue (who would've helped the demise of Mags by touching him instead of Beast....retribution for the first film which was hinted at in X2) to go oon the "run" again with Logan at the end. It would have been a better epilogue than her as cured and he a teacher....and Cyclops a...whatever you are when you are demolocurized.

Just my opinion though.

Wolverine is an art teacher.

 

[uga2002]

How would that've been played out?

The scene wouldn't have worked because Marsden would have ****ed it up with his atrocious acting.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

That is exactly how I thought it should have gone as well. They could have even made Jean enhance Cyclops' optic blast so there was an even greater chance she would be destroyed instantly. Also, when she is destroyed I think there should have been a bright flash and a big ass fiery phoenix should have appeared and then evaporated in the sky.

I agree, I liked the scenario that he came up with. That's much better than what we received and I loved how he added Cyclops walking through the wind and flames.

Very powerful.

 

[DACrowe]

Funny, he gave the most convincing performance in X3 though.

And good point about art though. Of course we couldn't see something that witty in X3 when we can get great jokes like an internet rip off "I'm the Juggernaut *****!" or "Hey d! ck head!"

Oh well.

 

[AVP82]

The scene wouldn't have worked because Marsden would have ****ed it up with his atrocious acting.

His acting was fine I thought. I liked his eyes

 

[LastSunrise1981]

The scene wouldn't have worked because Marsden would have ****ed it up with his atrocious acting.

James Marsdens acting> You

Now go back to your hole newbie.

 

[Kazaire]

Scott and Jean most definetely would've worked. Why?: 'Cause how many years did they work in the comics? And they were THE couple. They make for a good story, deal with it.

 

[TNC9852002]

The story made sense in the movie, especially since we knew Cyclops was going to get a limited role.

Fans of Cyclops were never going to be happy about it... Some fans of the comics (like me) can accept the changes, some can't. That's just how it is.

-TNC

 

[toya thegr8]

You think Logan could heal faster than Jean can THINK? Come on, get real - the scene is what the writers make of it, nothing more. I'm sure they would've been able to come up with something.

Not trying to sound snobby, but all the "Scott wouldn't have worked" don't make sense because they can easily tweak the scenes to their favour.

Word.

 

[Douces]

It wouldn't make sense from a story standpoint.

Logan, the main character, had to be involved in the climax of the film, so he is the one to stop Phoenix.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I think it wouldve been more dramatic had it been Scott. Scott couldve gotten to Jeans side of the personality so her powers while beating up Scott(making him bleed) would hurt him, it wouldnt kill him. And when he reaches her, she could start to break down and become full Jean again.

It doesnt make sense as to why Logan got so close to her anyway since we all know she couldve just send him flying like she did earlier in the film. So just because he can heal, doesnt mean that he would be the only one who could survive getting through to her.

 

[X Knight]

Plus......Cykes has one of the most powerful LONG-RANGE attacks....his optic blasts....

 

[chaseter]

Plus......Cykes has one of the most powerful LONG-RANGE attacks....his optic blasts....

She stopped it in X2...what makes you think the Phoenix could not of stopped it in X3?

 

[Cyke82]

You think Logan could heal faster than Jean can THINK? Come on, get real - the scene is what the writers make of it, nothing more. I'm sure they would've been able to come up with something.

Not trying to sound snobby, but all the "Scott wouldn't have worked" don't make sense because they can easily tweak the scenes to their favour.

Agreed 100%.

Cykes blasted her or something.

With the optic blasts she was already holding back? Doubtful.

Because the comics have never contradicted themselves, not once.

Inconsistencies in the comics should not justify inconsistencies in the movies. Both should try to be as accurate as possible.

Honestly, I wouldve preferred jean not being in the movie at all and waiting for Singer to possibly do it the way he planned.

The more I think about it, the more I agree. I think there are ways that it could have worked to have Cyke involved at the end, but overall it may have resulted in a better series of movies to push the Phoenix thing off until X4 and let Singer run with it then if he wants to come back, while focusing X3 on the cure plotline, giving that kind of plot device the attention it should have gotten.

Keep Cyclops alive, but you could have him take a leave of absence from the team to mourn Jean early in the film (after all, it's what he did in the comics). You could have his leaving the team as some kind of very small subplot in the movie. He leaves near the beginning, and then doesn't reappear until the end (therefore satisfying FOX's desire to shaft Marsden for being in SR), where they show Scott at the lake where he's obviously still upset. He hears the voices, then fires the blast into the water and the light shoots up out of it. Close up of Scott as he looks on, he whispers, "...Jean?" Quite cut to black, and movie is over.

 

[ginny_weasley]

Ok, to be honest, Logan vs. Jean shouldn't have worked anyway.

The point of the Phoenix is that no one can defeat her in power vs. power. The only person who can defeat Phoenix is Jean, and that is through her will-power.

It's an insult that Logan was able to get that close to her without getting fried.

She tears Logan apart and he falls back but Scott marches forward. She threatens and hisses but he challenges her saying "I know you won't hurt me" (which is true to the original Dark Pheonex Saga, she couldn't kill him) and walks past her wind and flames (there should have been flames!) and stares her up and talks her down. She comes back to normalcy, if only for a moment and begs for him to finish her, he says he can't. She removes his visor and says Scott to open his eyes. She begs him to, before she loses control. Tears roll down his cheek as he hears her firing up and giving in again. He says "I love you Jean, forgive me!" and he opens his eyes and it is a full unfiltered optic blast.

There is nothing left but him on the rubble with his eyes clinched shut as he cries and Logan watches broken but in awe of what happened.

I'd go for that. It gives Jean more credit as well - sorry, but that last "Save me" while she was still tearing Logan's flesh apart doesn't give enough kudos to Jean. If we HAD to have someone else kill her, we should have at least had her sane long enough to make the rational decision that she had to be killed for the good of the others. In fact, my only tweak to the above scenario would have been to give Jean more time as Jean and not Phoenix - she deserves more.

 

[X Knight]

ahhh........but she couldn't stop wolvie's claws........

at the very least....her blocking Cyke's blast would have preoccupied her and diverted her powers to focus on Scott...........this would give another Xman....like Wolverine a chance to go in for the strike........

That would be teamwork.......instead of the whole team hightailing it out of there......

 

[jcykeson]

She stopped it in X2...what makes you think the Phoenix could not of stopped it in X3?

^her desire to be killed?

 

[ginny_weasley]

ahhh........but she couldn't stop wolvie's claws........

at the very least....her blocking Cyke's blast would have preoccupied her and diverted her powers to focus on Scott...........this would give another Xman....like Wolverine a chance to go in for the strike........

That would be teamwork.......instead of the whole team hightailing it out of there......

The REAL Phoenix can block anything! Besides, she'd have vaporized Logan before he was in striking distance anway.

The teamwork idea is good. I've always contended that we should have seen Logan and Scott work through their love triangle issues in this film and learn to cooperate to stop/save Jean.

Though I still want Jean to be the ultimate one to decide upon her own death - that was the film's biggest mistake IMHO.

 

[jcykeson]

i agree with the Cyclops ending.. more impact

 

[X Knight]

I like the ending described earlier better........

wouldn't it have been even better ending if during the final battle.....Wolvie is burnt to a crisp and blown back.......his adamantium showing.........then, when we think that the Xmen have lost and nothing can stop Phoenix.......out of nowhere, Cykes reappears, tattered clothes and all, and then we get the scene as described above.....with Cyke's delivering the final blow.....and wolvie looking on......

That would have been dramatic and powerful....indeed. Even though the Wolvie/ Jean ending in the movie was pretty dramatic too......

 

[X Knight]

I meant I like the cyclops ending described earlier better.

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I still think Scott showing up would have made an impact... Only he could get through to her... He tries... She begs him to kill her... he tells her he can't bring it upon himself so she turns to Logan and pleads "Kill me..."

Then the Phoenix grows even more powerful but Jean holds back long enough for Logan to stab her...as she falls, Scott comes near her and Logan carefully but gently hands her to Scott and he cradles her body as she slowly dies. She calls for Logan... she says something to him before turning her attention to Scott. She says to Scott, "Scott...I'm so sorry. I couldn't stop myself...I tried." Scott holds her close to him and weeps while Logan looks down sadly... -sniffles-

"Jean... I love you," Scott says and they kiss. Jean's final words "I love you," and she dies.


... hmmm....

 

[Chou Gohan]

Scott didn't die. Look at it this way:

When she came back, she was Dark Phoenix, when she kissed him, you saw the face.

1. Why didn't they show the body?

2. Why was she knocked out?


Cykes blasted her or something.

someone may have responded to this, but we don't see his body, because he she killed him, there would be no body. Remember Jean is disintergrating, did Prof X have a body left, or any of the soldiers/mutants killed at Alcatraz.

She could have been knocked out for using the powers for the 1st time.

 

[cyke93]

it was never about Scott vs. Jean or Phoenix vs. Scott... it was Scott who helped ground Jean and gave her the strength she needed to make the ultimate sacrifice, her life.

the one thing the movie implies, but doesn't directly state is that we dont see jean conflicted with emotions because she killed scott. she already wants to die and she doesnt fight to gain control of her mind against the phoenix, instead calls out to logan to kill her.