The Dark Knight Should Batman reveal his secret identity to Gordon in TDK?

Should Batman reveal his secret identity to Gordon in TDK?

  • Yes.

  • No, never.

  • Not in this one, but in the next one.

  • In a twist, have Gordon figure it out.


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No. Batman revealed his identity too easily and almost for no reason to Rachel in BB. Stop that.

I gotta dissagree with you there, Mr. Payasso.

I think the way Batman revealed his identity to Rachael is one of the BEST, if not the best, scene in BB by repeating something she said to Bruce (and then jumping off into the chaos of the night with her looking on, I LOVE THAT SCENE! sends chills down my spin.)

It's the only time in a Batman movie that I thought it was well handled of Batman revealing his idenity.

As oppose to Alfred letting Vicki in the Batcave, Batman pulling his mask off in the middle of a fight for catwoman with Max Shrek looking on (I still can't figure that one out) or with a kiss or a bad biker chick finding out from a cd that was left behind for her by the one man in charge of keeping Batman's secrets. :dry:
 
I'd like one film (other than Batman '66 :woot:) where no one finds out. It's tired.
 
No. Batman revealed his identity too easily and almost for no reason to Rachel in BB. Stop that.

I was so pissed off when I saw that in theatres. Right when he looked at her...

"It's not who I am underneath...but what I doooooooo, that defines me."

That was such a cool moment, for like...a kickass line. Something BATMAN would say...

And he had to go and say that, and at the same time...give away his damn identity.

He might as well just handed her his ID,

Batman: "It's not who I am underneath, but who it says I am on my drivers license."....

Rachel: "Bruce?"

*Batman jumps off building*

--dk7
 
He needs to reveal it in a chris o'donnell way from BF, that would be....nevermind, if gordon finds out then but if they keep the trend up(someone new finds out in every movie), then pretty soon he wont have to wear the mask.
 
I gotta dissagree with you there, Mr. Payasso.

I think the way Batman revealed his identity to Rachael is one of the BEST, if not the best, scene in BB by repeating something she said to Bruce (and then jumping off into the chaos of the night with her looking on, I LOVE THAT SCENE! sends chills down my spin.)

You just loved the dramatic vibe they tried to give to it.

Repeating lines is not only a well worn device, but Goyer specially uses it as if there's no other way to make audiences to "get" something. And then he used it way too much. That's why we have to hear the word "fear" thousands of times just to make us get it is a movie about fear (strictly speaking you don't have to verbally say "fear" not even once to make audience get the themes of your movie but Goyer made Batman begins the underlining and spoonfeeding festival).

Every "important" line is repeated at least twice in this movie. Goyer simply couldn't handle any other way to state things. By the time Batman reveals his identity to Rachel, the repeating as a whoa-worthy surprising item is just the 1000th repetition of a repetition.

That said, beyond the dramatic vibe, there's no actual reason for Batman to reveal his identity.

The movie stablishes that one of the main purposes for Batman to have a mask and a secret identity is to protect the ones he loves. By revealing his secret to Rachel, he's making her a possible target for his enemies under his own point of view.

If Batman thought he was going to die, his identity would have been known anyways.

If Batman thought he was going to survive his encounter with Ra's, then he just made Rachel someone knowing a too dangerous secret. If any Batman foe even thinks Rachel knows too much about Batman, she's dead. Stupid move.

It's the only time in a Batman movie that I thought it was well handled of Batman revealing his idenity.

Please tell me how it was well handled. It was pure wow-ment with no care for the consequences and implications of that action.

As oppose to of Alfred letting Vicki in the Batcave, Batman pulling his mask off in the middle of a fight for catwoman with Max Shrek looking on (I still can't figure that one out) or with a kiss or a bad biker chick finding out from a cd that was left behind for her y te one man in charge of keeping Batman's secrets. :dry:

Mh. the old previous-movies-did-it-worse-therefore-this-is-good argument. Old and not always true.

In B89, Alfred told Bruce multiple times to stop playing with Vicki just because of his double life. Alfred suggests to Bruce he could tell her but Bruce wouldn't listen. That only brought problems to Bruce and made Vicki to suffer and distrust him. Alfred was really pissed because of that. At the end, Joker prevented from Bruce to reveal his identity and Bruce never actually fix that up. So, Alfred, tired of seeing his master messing with other people's life because of his alter ego, forced his hand.

In BR, Bruce is totally in love with Selina. When he took his mask off he was actually quitting as Batman. It was his way to tell Selina, why keep going ruining our lives? Let's quit and go to my home forever. That's why he didn't care Max was watching; he was never going to be Batman again, there's no indentity to protect anymore. And he obviously rather to have Max watching that than to lose Selina.

In Schumacher movies... what can I say. He didn't care about bat-nipples or making bat-butt close-ups.

But Begins had a very unjustified identity revealing scene, no matter how many trembling violins were there.
 
Are you Fricken Kidding me? Gordon never knew who Batman was Not in the Comics not in the Cartoon Show not in the Old TV Show and Not even in the old Batman Movies. So the Answer is No. The Only People that should know who Batman is are Alfred and Robin if he comes into the picture later on.

Guess some of you people never read Dark Knight Returns?

And again you're wrong...Robin will NEVER come into the picture.

And you call yourself Batman?? :csad:
 
this thread is

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Some of you people need to just disappear permanently.
 
Ok, so what is with the new cardinal sin of superhero movies that has now infected the comic book world. I'm so tired of people finding out who people are. It's dumb. The point of a secret idnetity is so that the superhero has a normal life outside of the costume.

Sorry, had to vent. I'm not as big as a Batman fan as some, and I can't say I know did Bats ever reveal his identity in the comic book to Gordon? I'd say it's ok if he did it in the comics, but I don't think he ever did.

But there definetly seems to be a movement that wants to do awy with the concept of secret identites. Every Batman since the 89 the "love interest" finds out and the main villian figures it out. I'm so sick of it. Why even have a secret identity any more?
 
have u read a comic?
batman never reveals his idenity to gordan. thats what makes them a great "duo" they have a trust for each other and gordan dont need to kno who batman really is
 
Not a reveal per se (a la Batman Returns, which was beautiful and the best identity reveal ever IMO), but I'd really like it if Gordon knew or suspected that Bruce was Batman (a la Year One, perhaps, or even Hush).
 
Repeating lines is not only a well worn device, but Goyer specially uses it as if there's no other way to make audiences to "get" something. And then he used it way too much. That's why we have to hear the word "fear" thousands of times just to make us get it is a movie about fear (strictly speaking you don't have to verbally say "fear" not even once to make audience get the themes of your movie but Goyer made Batman begins the underlining and spoonfeeding festival).

yeah, fuackin seriously . . . and the whole "secrets of the scary people" line . . . wtf is that? that one makes me cringe everytime . . .
 
I would a scene similar to the scene where Batman is saving Gordon's kid, and his mask is off, but Gordon's not wearing his glasses and says "You know, I'm nearly blind without them. You'd better get going." Something cool to kinda imply that he knows who he is, but not so explicit that it's obvious. That would strengthen their trust and form a closer bond between vigilante and policeman, I think. That scene is awesome, anyways.
 
I was a little peeved at first that both Lucius and Rachel found out, but in the end I figure it adds to the realism of the superhero dilemma. In the comic books, Batman's isolation seems to be ingrained in his personality. Nolan's Bruce Wayne is isolated largely by choice, and that is difficult, because of the depth of what he feels for others. Sure, he's stoic, driven, but it's a mantle he takes on, not one that's (at least yet) firmly carved into his mind. Especially with these early Batman stories, I figure Bruce isn't yet comfortable enough in his own shoes (or tortured enough) to realize that he can operate independently. This is one side of the coin: He (at least thinks) he needs people for support. If he can trust in others to support his crusade, he can trust in himself to follow it.

The other side of the coin is this: It's hard to keep a secret that big, and it takes practice, stealth, deception, and impeccably-quick thinking. Bruce isn't fully used to this either. I'm not sure if it's a thing Nolan intends on him becoming better at or not. That too, might be part of the realism of the movie. The difficult things audiences sometimes take for granted.


I think TDK will reflect on both of these ideas. I mean, he's facing the Joker. If he can't wear you down, nobody can. Plus, if he holds true to the comics, he's quickly obsessed with the Batman, and will probably be trying to determine his identity.



All that being said, I'd still like for no one new to find out.
 
have u read a comic?
batman never reveals his idenity to gordan. thats what makes them a great "duo" they have a trust for each other and gordan dont need to kno who batman really is

If you read the comic, you'd see that his name is Gordon.

Also, what is it with people assuming I am for or against a particular choice? I see that a lot on polls. It's a simple question is all.

No, he's just a Superb Atman, whatever that is.

LOL.
 
I will say that I too am uncomfortable with lots of people knowing his secret identity. Alfred, of course. But Lucious, probably not. And Rachel. Definitely not.
 
NO to Gordon definitely knowing, beyond doubt, that Bruce is Batman but...

YES to Gordon routinely interviewing Bruce along of the lines of that scene in Year One: "Mr Wayne I need to know where you were on the following dates" (Bruce acting goofy/drunk, some model with her arms draped around him)

How about... prior to Gordon, Batman and Dent first meeting on the roof of GCPD, Gordon asking pointed questions about what Dent gets up to in his evenings, noting gym equipment in his office. This could even be used to foreshadow...
...Dent having secret meetings with the Mob, if the rumours about him being crooked are true

Then, when the three of them finally meet on a rooftop, Gordon watches Dent and Batman shake hands and says quietly, "well that's that theory out of the water."

And YES to a Year One scene where Burce is forced to act in daylight, unmasked, but Gordon has lost his glasses... as someone else has already suggested.
 
I could see a scene like the following happen in one of the new "Batman" films (I modeled it after a similar exchange from "The Mask of Zorro")...

Batman is atop the Gotham Police headquarters, as usual, for another night of reflection on the injustice plaguing the city. Crouched on the roof like a gargoyle, he hears a suggestive cough, and rises. Turning around, he's face to face with Lt. James Gordon.

Batman: "Lieutenant."

Gordon: "Batman."

Gordon smokes a cigar, bit by bit, lost in his own thoughts.

Gordon: "You know, when I first spoke about escalation, I have to be honest. I hoped it'd never get any worse. But the streets flooded with crime, people being murdered in broad daylight...and I sometimes wonder, are we doing enough?"

Batman: "I've said it before. People need dramatic examples to shake them out of apathy. You, me, and the few loyal citizens out there...are that example. Alone, we can be destroyed. United, we stand a chance of turning Gotham around."

Gordon: (sighs) "Tell me...why do you do it? Why help us?"

Batman: "Someone has to. I'm the only one they still fear, and I'm not afraid to use that fear against them. People like them made me who I am..."

Looking Gordon in the eye, Batman continues.

Batman: "...and people like you...gave me back what hope I have left."

Gordon: "Why are you so eager to help us...and why me?"

Stepping closer, into the shadows, Batman reaches for the back of his mask...

Batman: "Because once...a long time ago..."

(the mask comes off)

Bruce Wayne: "...you did the same for me."

Gordon:"Bruce..."

no offense but that sounds incredibley cheesy
and I don't want a gay sex scene in the movie....
 
Let's have Batman reveal his identity to all of the city like Raimi loves to do with Spider-Man:dry:
 

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