Sequels Should Sam Raimi keep making Spider-Man films or should a new guy take over?

[dodus]

I'm ready for new people. I love Raimi and want to see him go out on a good note. SM-3 was that good note, but you could see it coming apart at the seams. I don't think he'd turn in a good 4. I of course wouldn't mind seeing T-Mags again and the supporting cast but I'm really starting to hate Dunst as MJ.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

I'm ready for new people. I love Raimi and want to see him go out on a good note. SM-3 was that good note, but you could see it coming apart at the seams. I don't think he'd turn in a good 4. I of course wouldn't mind seeing T-Mags again and the supporting cast but I'm really starting to hate Dunst as MJ.

Yeah... I really wouldn't mind if we could somehow get the Sam + Tobey combo minus Kirsten Dunst. I know she's said if either of them leaves, she leaves, which doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I hope both of them would be willing to stay even if she leaves... and that she'd be willing to leave even if they stay.

 

[SPIDERMAN117]

You must keep him or just like when tim burton stop directing batman films the franchicse is dead he has brought so much money to sonys feey at least do the favor of keeping him

 

[DACrowe]

Well after the WW box office Sony will offer the Sam/Tobey/Kirsten team whatever they want to do a SM4.

I personally hope they do because I want to see Sam handle Lizard (my favorite villain must be in the hands of a good filmmaker with respect for the classics) and Tobey/Kirsten be the Peter/MJ to get married after three movies. Seeing Jake G and Mandy Moore be the ones walking down the asile just wouldn't feel right.

So I say bring back this team for one more outing and a smaller but stronger script (only 1-2 villains that don't feel forced together) and go out with a bang.

Then SM5 can be Sony doing Carnage and whatever else they want to do to ruin the franchise. But if Sam can get a great 4 out that surpasses 3 (which I think a Lizard/Kraven's Last Hunt combo with a wedding could be on par with SM2) then he can go out with a bigger bang and 3 will be accepted better as part of the series.

After that, let it rot for all I care, but handle Lizard and the marriage with respect and quality.

 

[DACrowe]

P.S. If you think SM2 is a mediocre movie (or SM1 for that matter) you need to brush up on genre cinema. Just because it didn't begin with Peter in high school dating Betty Brant and hanging out with Flash and Harry saying great lines like "See ya' dad" or "This scene is so happening, cat" and all the things slef-righteous purists feel is NEEDED for a faithful adaptation, does not mean it is a poor movie or unfaithful.

Yeah, I would have done it differently. Probably introduce Gwen and MJ in SM1 and have the villain be Doc Ock (though he would not have been as visually stunning with a smaller budget in 2002 or as gratifying as Molina's turn as the first movie needs a through and through villain) and save Gwen dying for SM2, etc. etc.

But hey I didn't make these and I like Raimi's vision. And I can see past fanboy nitpicks to see these are good movies. That capture the spirit of the comics.

 

[NinjaCarm]

I wouldn't mind Sam doing another Spidey Movie, but I'd like to someone new have a try.

With another Trilogy I'd like to see a less dorky, but more mature Peter Parker. Also I'd want them to tone the camp a little down. There should still be comedic scenes and humor, just less campy.

You hit the nail on the coffin. If Sony reads these forums.... this is what we want. Thanks.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I whole heartedly agree... these movies are way to campy and cliche... I want to see them take a stab at an intelligent story with intelligent characters and not dumb down the dialogue and add ten minute dancing scenes instead of five this time around. Tobey is so dull as Parker and has worn out his welcome for me personally. If you thought he was entertaining in SM3 then you have some pretty low standards. He took no chances in SM3. And the post symbiate personality didn't bring out that deceiving, persuasive, or intimidating split personality... just even more lame and campy. SM3 was his opportunity and Tobey stunk up the joint with a lack luster performance. We need a guy with that charisma, charm, and humor... its time for Tobey to step down... Raimi too... the guy has been over worked... lock up the supporting cast... that's all that matters right now. Banks, Simmons, Baker, Nunn.... that's all they need

 

[DACrowe]

If Tobey stank in SM3 your standards are indeed quite low. Whenever I read such disgruntled anger like that about the acting I can't help but think the people writing this want a Tom Cruise style performance. THAT IS NOT Spider-Man. But, whatever.

 

[dodus]

If Tobey stank in SM3 your standards are indeed quite low.

I think it would have to be "high".

 

[FaT_tONle]

Whatever... if you people found emo to be funny... then you can probably laugh at anything... it was just Tobey acting stupid... the guy isn't funny... I didn't laugh at "Where do these guys come from"... he didn't say it right... I didn't laugh at the "sheriff" line followed by the "uh oh"... he didn't deliver it right... he wasn't that funny at the dinner with MJ... it was amusing at best... not funny... these movies need a bit more of a comical aspect without being cheesy... they just aren't giving Spidey enough quips here... Franco saved the movie that along with Topher... who should have had more screen time... those performances were the world better than Tobey's... very avergage to me. SM 2 was such a drag at times as well... look most of it has to do with the shoddy writing... but Tobey is what he is... lets see what some other people can bring to this role... and lets go into it with an open mind. Spidey wears a mask... not the hardest role to recast.

 

[Spidey Snooch]

Tobey definitely seems to be bored with what he's doing. I do think he gives Peter a great nerdy quality, but the man should be graduating from college soon. Time to let Pete grow up.
Get Dunst out of there, too. She also seemed bored and the character just seemed to whine all the time. Let a new actress show MJ how to have some fun!

 

[dodus]

Whatever... if you people found emo to be funny... then you can probably laugh at anything... it was just Tobey acting stupid... the guy isn't funny... I didn't laugh at "Where do these guys come from"... he didn't say it right... I didn't laugh at the "sheriff" line followed by the "uh oh"... he didn't deliver it right... he wasn't that funny at the dinner with MJ... it was amusing at best... not funny...

You didn't laugh at "Oh, how'd that get in there?" I'll grant you the other ones, but I don't think that line could have been delivered any better.

 

[Dr. Fate]

Tobey definitely seems to be bored with what he's doing. I do think he gives Peter a great nerdy quality, but the man should be graduating from college soon. Time to let Pete grow up.
Get Dunst out of there, too. She also seemed bored and the character just seemed to whine all the time. Let a new actress show MJ how to have some fun!

I didn't get MJ's sudden desire to prove her singing ability - or lack thereof.

 

[DACrowe]

She wants to be a Broadway actress. while there are many stage plays drama and comedy on Broadway, the big stars are the musicals.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Whatever... if you people found emo to be funny... then you can probably laugh at anything... it was just Tobey acting stupid... the guy isn't funny... I didn't laugh at "Where do these guys come from"... he didn't say it right... I didn't laugh at the "sheriff" line followed by the "uh oh"... he didn't deliver it right... he wasn't that funny at the dinner with MJ... it was amusing at best... not funny... these movies need a bit more of a comical aspect without being cheesy... they just aren't giving Spidey enough quips here... Franco saved the movie that along with Topher... who should have had more screen time... those performances were the world better than Tobey's... very avergage to me. SM 2 was such a drag at times as well... look most of it has to do with the shoddy writing... but Tobey is what he is... lets see what some other people can bring to this role... and lets go into it with an open mind. Spidey wears a mask... not the hardest role to recast.

Little high on your opinion? You are entitled to your opinion, but saying people laugh at anything for finding something funny you didn't is rather arrogant and makes you look bad.

I am not getting on you for your view (your opinion is your opinion and you are entitled to it), I am getting on you for how you are conveying your view.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I just thought it was a lame attempt at comedy... most of it has to do with the writing... it isn't Tobey's fault... but other than Bruce Cambell... these movies don't have many of those moments... the dinner scene was probably the best... "goblin Jr" was decent... but that was pretty much it... I just want a guy that is going to be more accurate to comic Peter Parker... who isn't exactly a goofy nerd... I want the witty, sassy, and comical Parker... I understand SM2 was supposed to be dull with the workings going on in that script... and emotional wear and tear (and it did a fantastic job doing just that)... but it was just TOO dull even though it was fitting for the story... it was a big step back from the original... and SM3 tried... but failed on many occassions to deliver the proper mix of action, sex, and comedy. These movies need all of that at just the right amount... SM3 just tried to shove it in there whenever there was an opportunity... I just didn't get the feel... things didn't belong in there... its nit picking I know... I know it can't be perfect... but I honestly don't think the numbers are gonna drop below 200 million with a new guy playing Peter Parker... don't get me wrong... Tobey is as solid an actor out there... he has potential... but he is getting up there in age and I don't know how much more he can diversify this role with all the limitations they are giving him. Even if he sticks around for 4-6... how much more can he bring to this role at this point anyways? He doesn't take enough chances in my book. You get what I am saying? I think that's the more logical and objective way of putting it...

 

[Spade]

SM3 showed me that the emphasis on adapting classics regardless of the end result is a bit too strong on Raimi's part. Gwen was amazingly unappreciated and unimportant, given how easily Felicia could have been used. The Sandman was the polar opposite- a small-bit comic character given too much development just to be relevant to the film's message that really didn't validate his own presence. After seeing this, I feel Raimi's vision will continue to give "either/or". I wouldn't mind someone with a fresher vision and more of an appreciation of the whole Spideyverse rather than characters and select periods come in, but as a reboot. Raimi's films should be left to their own devices. I appreciate what he tried, but it's time to move on.

 

[DACrowe]

Actually I disagree. I think that a movie first and foremost needs to validate its existence and hopefully be one of quality. Raimi had a story he wanted to tell and a theme he wanted to explore that is actually not even explored that muchi n the comics. And that is the gray of right and wrong and how taking such a morally high ground like being a superhero can be your downfall by punishing men who maybe aren't as terrible as painted.

Okay that sounded a little too high brow for this movie or Sam Raimi but that is the general idea. Sandman he could alter to fit that vision without fans *****ing (in fact I'd say his Sandman is better than the comic version). He found that more important than using a part that I'm willing to bet money was originally Betty Brant (Gwen Stacy) to be turned into something more than a small bit in the background. He needed the other woman for this story and Avi Arad pushed Gwen to being that woman and squeeze her pappy in there too.

And while they are decently portrayed they are very underdeveloped because they are not main characteres or players in the movie. They were a last minute addition by Arad to get fans excited but in the end Sandman was intergal to Raimi's vision and Gwen was not. I'd rather him focus on making his movie the best it can be and to show itself as something more than a cash-in sequel, even if that means fan favorites are supporting.

I think fans overreact. It's like Doc Connors in both movies. He's a favorite of mine and gets small but important moments but he isn't the point of the movie so he doesn't get focus. Oh well.

 

[DX]

I agree, let him do Spidey 4.

Then when that's done and dusted let someone else take over.

 

[Dr. Fate]

She wants to be a Broadway actress. while there are many stage plays drama and comedy on Broadway, the big stars are the musicals.

My bad.

Just seemed like she hit a point where she wanted to change from actress to singer. Pay me no heed.

 

[dodus]

The Sandman was the polar opposite- a small-bit comic character given too much development just to be relevant to the film's message that really didn't validate his own presence.

I completely agree with this point. The irony of Sandman's role in this movie was that Raimi took a beloved classic goon with little characterization in the comics, tried to legitimize him with a ton of backstory and motivation, and then ending up having to cut the hell out of it so that it didn't even resonate anyway. On principle I was ready to indulge him, but in practice there wasn't any justification for Sandman to be in the movie crowding things up. I still loved the movie, but it was this in particular that made me question, for the first time, if future Spidey movies wouldn't benefit from a new (probably next generation) production team.

 

[Spider-Fan]

The Sandman was developed well enough. Did we need 20 scenes of him and his daughter? The locket was enough to remind us. We didn't have to know more, maybe except Spider-Man helping to raise money for her, but that would be about it.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I completely agree with this point. The irony of Sandman's role in this movie was that Raimi took a beloved classic goon with little characterization in the comics, tried to legitimize him with a ton of backstory and motivation, and then ending up having to cut the hell out of it so that it didn't even resonate anyway. On principle I was ready to indulge him, but in practice there wasn't any justification for Sandman to be in the movie crowding things up. I still loved the movie, but it was this in particular that made me question, for the first time, if future Spidey movies wouldn't benefit from a new (probably next generation) production team.

Sandman should've just been a pure villain. The revenge theme already played out with Harry/Peter/Brock...more screen should have been given to Brock and Gwen. The take on the Ben killer and the daughter was a waste of screen time. But its all in the past now.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

The Sandman was developed well enough. Did we need 20 scenes of him and his daughter? The locket was enough to remind us. We didn't have to know more, maybe except Spider-Man helping to raise money for her, but that would be about it.

I thought it was annoying how they basically turned him into a good guy... they really should have made him a sympathetic villain, but a villain nonetheless. I mean, they still need to make clear in no uncertain terms that what he's doing is wrong.

 

[Spidey Lover 10]

That's the million dollar question in the midst of all the box office returns, critical evaluations and general fan dispute: should Sam Raimi direct the alleged Spider-Man 4, 5 and 6 that Marvel and Sony want, or is it time for Raimi to move on and let a new person take charge of the franchise?

Yes! YES, for the love of God keep him with Spidey!!! OTHERWISE, IT'LL SUCK!