Sequels Should Sam Raimi keep making Spider-Man films or should a new guy take over?

[Paste Pot Pete]

I have to agree, The subway train fight in SM3 was VERY hyped and like you said was going to be better than SM2's train fight. Isn't even close to it. I think it would've taken the place of SM2's if only it was longer Very disappointed when watching it in theaters :/

Is that really the movie's fault, though? Maybe you shouldn't have gotten yourself hyped up over a specific fight scene that you haven't seen yet.

I didn't come across any of this "hype" for the subway fight personally (it was probably studio-generated buzz, right? interviews?) All I knew about it were the few shots shown in the trailers, and I was perfectly satisfied with it, having no preconceptions about it.

Word of advice to everyone - maybe you'd enjoy these movies better if you didn't follow every step of their production.

 

[Blader5489]

Sadly, both don't come even close to GG and Doc Ock.

I don't think you've seen SM1 recently, because the GG fights were awful. He didn't do much of anything and they weren't at all representative of a Spider-Man battle, which both SM2 and SM3 nailed.

 

[Venom 1988]

I didn't come across any of this "hype" for the subway fight personally (it was probably studio-generated buzz, right? interviews?)

Lakami actually, the guy who gave all that Q&A info a year before the movie came out. He kept on saying that it was going to be better than the train fight. And since he was right about everything else, he was probably right about this too. Obviously he stated this way before the movie was heavily edited down.

 

[Nathan]

I don't think you've seen SM1 recently, because the GG fights were awful. He didn't do much of anything and they weren't at all representative of a Spider-Man battle, which both SM2 and SM3 nailed.

He didn't do much? Out of all 3 Movies, he beat Peter up the worst. What did Venom do that was all that great? Choke him and restrain him? Venom is supposed to be that savage and evil force, and all he manages to do is to make Peter lose his breath a couple times and to give him a few cuts? And least in SM1 you actually thought that he'd almost die, the Venom battle was more like a cartoon fight.

Hell, Pete got hit by a giant hand. And he was still mighty fine.

 

[Mr Jide]

i coudl care less about anybody else making a spider-man film, raimi is the man! that's not to say that there aren't other great filmmakers, it's just i love his vision, it's original and he makes it unlike any other movies. he has a real passion for the characters and the cast is great. i have no problem with change but i love how these movies have turned out so far, i woudlnt' want anybody else to do it.
if nothing else, he shoudl make a 4th one with the current cast, and then as long as they 'seal the franchise' more than part 3 tried then i woudl be happy to see somebody else try...well...i'd prefer to see raimi with this cast do 10 spider-man movies, but i dont' think that's probable

Original?? Haha, not quite. Check the parallels of these spidey movies with that of superman, superman 2, superman 3 and even batman forever...you'll find that there's an extreme lack of originality with these movies.

Also, if Sean Connery (The greatest actor to play Bond. Period.) can be replaced then you can bet your candy ass that TMags and Co are all the more easier to replace.

 

[Mr Jide]

Word of advice to everyone - maybe you'd enjoy these movies better if you didn't follow every step of their production.

Exactly! you have no idea how many times thats been said. Any news, piece of info will be dissected, analysed and re-analysed to the point where they start to read and see things that aren't even there. It's brilliant advice but its advice that will never ever be taken on board.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

He didn't do much? Out of all 3 Movies, he beat Peter up the worst. What did Venom do that was all that great? Choke him and restrain him? Venom is supposed to be that savage and evil force, and all he manages to do is to make Peter lose his breath a couple times and to give him a few cuts? And least in SM1 you actually thought that he'd almost die, the Venom battle was more like a cartoon fight.

Hell, Pete got hit by a giant hand. And he was still mighty fine.

I disagree, not only did Spidey get hurt in the battle royal, but you also have to think about what the Symbiote did to Peter. It changed his personality and destroyed who he was, He even hit MJ. In my eyes, Peter was beat up in this film by the Symbiote consuming him, Venom, Sandman, and even the first fight Peter and Harry had in mid air. As for the battle royal, That was Spidey's most brutal battle IMO.

 

[omid17]

I disagree, not only did Spidey get hurt in the battle royal, but you also have to think about what the Symbiote did to Peter. It changed his personality and destroyed who he was, He even hit MJ. In my eyes, Peter was beat up in this film by the Symbiote consuming him, Venom, Sandman, and even the first fight Peter and Harry had in mid air. As for the battle royal, That was Spidey's most brutal battle IMO.

i really wanted pete to get hurt physically along with mentally in sm3, imo i think the first fight with GG was worse than battle royale, think about it, peter realized that GG:
-was a murderer, new who peter was, ended up nearly killing his aunt and mj, along with some kids
-pete just became spider man, he still learnig his new powers he just got
-mentally i think pete was worse in the first film because he got this amazing power, he just lost his uncle, alomost lost his aunt, so before he went to save mj and the kids, pete must had a lot on his mind before the last battle with GG
- and on top of that GG through a bomb right in front of petes face, GG wouldn't even let spidey have time to take a breath , which made the fight amazing imo
- and imo GG came closer to kill spidey mentally and physically than the other villans

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

i really wanted pete to get hurt physically along with mentally in sm3, imo i think the first fight with GG was worse than battle royale, think about it, peter realized that GG:
-was a murderer, new who peter was, ended up nearly killing his aunt and mj, along with some kids
-pete just became spider man, he still learnig his new powers he just got
-mentally i think pete was worse in the first film because he got this amazing power, he just lost his uncle, alomost lost his aunt, so before he went to save mj and the kids, pete must had a lot on his mind before the last battle with GG
- and on top of that GG through a bomb right in front of petes face, GG wouldn't even let spidey have time to take a breath , which made the fight amazing imo
- and imo GG came closer to kill spidey mentally and physically than the other villans

You do make a point, however, I still think the battle royal in Spidey3 was Spidey's most brutal battle. Spidey was held down and pretty much being choked by Venom's we while giant Sandman punched Spidey's stomach. Just imagine the amount of strength that was in those punches. Peter would have died if Harry didn't arrive, that does't happen too often.

 

[omid17]

You do make a point, however, I still think the battle royal in Spidey3 was Spidey's most brutal battle. Spidey was held down and pretty much being choked by Venom's we while giant Sandman punched Spidey's stomach. Just imagine the amount of strength that was in those punches. Peter would have died if Harry didn't arrive, that does't happen too often.

thats also true

 

[Venom 1988]

Regardless of which battle was the most brutal, Peter looked like he went through more **** with the last Green Goblin fight.

 

[omid17]

Regardless of which battle was the most brutal, Peter looked like he went through more **** with the last Green Goblin fight.

i agree peter was just learning how to use his abilities, and at the same time GG was just deadly, strong, and mentally ****ed up, which made him really dangerous

 

[Nathan]

You do make a point, however, I still think the battle royal in Spidey3 was Spidey's most brutal battle. Spidey was held down and pretty much being choked by Venom's we while giant Sandman punched Spidey's stomach. Just imagine the amount of strength that was in those punches. Peter would have died if Harry didn't arrive, that does't happen too often.

That's why it's so disappointing. Spidey got such a beatdown, yet he's back on his feet as if nothing happened after the rescue. There aren't even signs of him being hurt, other than his mask and parts of his costumes being ripped.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

Exactly! you have no idea how many times thats been said. Any news, piece of info will be dissected, analysed and re-analysed to the point where they start to read and see things that aren't even there. It's brilliant advice but its advice that will never ever be taken on board.

It just drives me crazy when people don't judge these films based on their own merit, but based on what they thought it would/should be, or what they were promised it would be.

And people wonder why there's so often such a huge difference in opinion between internet community fans and the general public. It's not that the public is stupid or has bad taste (though they often seem to), it's simply that they go into these films underburdened by such expectation and microscope study; they can just enjoy themselves for 2 hours.

I'm not one that goes heavily into spoilers and stuff like that around here; I try and avoid most of that so I can actually enjoy the film as a new experience, like we all used to when we were kids, before the internet ruined everything.

 

[Visionary]

I cannot wait to see what Sony is going to decide, when it comes to the cast and director of SM4. To mix things up, maybe they might either hire a new director and keep Tobey/Kirsten; or keep Raimi and hire two new leads.

I never really believed in the whole 'take us all or nothing' motif, when it was said. Money has a way of making you swallow your words.

I just can't wait to find out, I'm giddy to know.

 

[Mr. Socko]

I just wish we could get some real news. Raimi is returning to director or he is now. I'm tired of "haven't decided yet" comments.

 

[Blader5489]

Considering the WGA could very well go on strike at the end of the month, I'm sure Sony will announce a writer soon.

 

[Dr. Fate]

I just wish we could get some real news. Raimi is returning to director or he is now. I'm tired of "haven't decided yet" comments.

Nobody likes those comments.

 

[fabman]

Just pretend there's not going to be another Spider-Man until Sony announces the director.

 

[dancing_on_fire]

I found Raimi improved as a director over the course of the three films, i found the third was much better directed than the first was, it was just the characterizations and the 3 storylines that didn't make it succeed its predecessors. I think it was also sony's heavy involvement that made the third movie suffer, i mean its obvious they put alot of pressure for raimi to some how make the film work with three storylines just over two hours. If the fourth is made, i would like to see a new director but Raimi as a consultant and producer. But most importantly, i want tobey back, hes whats going to make it feel like a fourth.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

That's why it's so disappointing. Spidey got such a beatdown, yet he's back on his feet as if nothing happened after the rescue. There aren't even signs of him being hurt, other than his mask and parts of his costumes being ripped.

I see what you are saying, but in Spidey 1, Spiderman was inexperienced, by the time 3 came along, he knew his abilities much better.

As someone else said, if Harry hadnt turned up at the battle royale, Spiderman WOULD have died, no doubt about it. I also believe the beating he took in the battle royale did effect his reactions, etc, because he seemed sluggish for the rest of the battle, and his reactions werent very quick either. He actually took little part in the battle royale once Harry showed up.

 

[Nathan]

I see what you are saying, but in Spidey 1, Spiderman was inexperienced, by the time 3 came along, he knew his abilities much better.

I don't care how much experience he gathered before the 3rd Movie. He looked mostly unharmed after fighting Venom and Sandman. He got hammered by a giant sandfist for heaven's sake. I expect to see him at least cough blood or have bruises all over.

That's what bothers me. In SM1 he actually looked being near death. In SM3, after Harry comes to the rescue, all is peachy again.

 

[Styleshift]

lol....as the above poster pointed out. It did annoy me that he was getting hit constantly and never looked harmed. except for the costume tears. and it really annoyed me how peters mask went missing suddenly for some more screen time of tobey's face.

the goblin was the best fight of the whole series. not only was peter's life at stake. but his friends and family were all at stake too.

 

[shinlyle]

Of course Raimi should keep making Spider-Man movies. He's SAM RAIMI. He gave us two great films and one that was still pretty good. I think, if Sony will let him do his own thing, like they did with part 2, then we'll see another great film.

Personally, I'm anxious to see what he has in store for Spider-Man 4...if he's in.

 

[Visionary]

I don't care how much experience he gathered before the 3rd Movie. He looked mostly unharmed after fighting Venom and Sandman. He got hammered by a giant sandfist for heaven's sake. I expect to see him at least cough blood or have bruises all over.

That's what bothers me. In SM1 he actually looked being near death. In SM3, after Harry comes to the rescue, all is peachy again.

You can pretty much blame the Disney-like nature of the films. It's the #1 reason why I beg for an R-rated Spider-Man movie everyday. Who wouldn't want to see Peter showing up at the Daily Bugle with a broken arm, a blackeye and cuts on his face, and then have to explain what the hell happened to him to his co-workers, and to Aunt May? Unfortunately, they try not to upset soccer moms and have graphic but meaningful scenes like this in the movie (which is needed), to protect the virgin eyes of children. The movie suffers from it in quality.

This is the intensity and graphic nature of having villains, that's missing from most comic book films, especially Spidey. You better get use to it...because the merchandising, bastard children and their soccer moms seem to come first--that's the mentality of Marvel/Sony that needs to be broken, they think of Spider-Man as only a children's property. Thus, is the reason why I've said, that Spider-Man is a victim of his own success.