The Dark Knight Rises Should Scarecrow Return In TDKR???

[Great Mind(s)]

It's great if he will appear in this movie. Could he have been the mysterious caped person ?

 

[Ultra Lantern]

I don't think Scarecrow needs to return.

 

[brett66]

I'd like to see him again, but it would have to be more substantial than his cameo in the last one.

 

[Doc Samson]

I'm a continuity freak so obviously I would love to see him return, but even aside from that I'm still sticking to my initial thoughts about Bane's "Venom" or whatever he may use in the movie.

I still think it may be some sort of derivative of Crane's toxin, so even if not physically, spiritually, the Scarecrow may be in Gotham one last time...

 

[MrsJimGordon]

I'm a continuity freak so obviously I would love to see him return, but even aside from that I'm still sticking to my initial thoughts about Bane's "Venom" or whatever he may use in the movie.

I still think it may be some sort of derivative of Crane's toxin, so even if not physically, spiritually, the Scarecrow may be in Gotham one last time...

From one continuity freak to another, I LOVE the idea of Crane's toxin being related to Bane's toxin. After all, there are rumours that Bane's past is linked to the League of Shadows, it could all tie in.

I think Scarecrow will be back in a slightly bigger role than TDK.

 

[brook_33]

I'm a huge Cillian Murphy fan, and I loved Scarecrow in BB. The only problem was there wasn't enough of him. His TDK cameo was lame and I'd like to see him get a cool scene in TDKR. It's pretty obvious he won't be a major player, cause we'd have known about him sooner. I suspect he'll only get a scene or two.

If Arkham inmates did make a massive escape or say one of the main villains busts them out, it'd be cool to see him getting out, and maybe finding his mask in lock-up (kind of like how they had the costumes from Batman Forever in Arkham in Batman & Robin. Maybe have Joker's costume, or since this is Nolan's last film have some other classic villain costumes in there as easter eggs).

I love Heath Ledger and 99% don't want to see the Joker show up in a massive break-out. Still, how cool would it be to see all the inmates busting out and running down the street, and as they all run for freedom and mayhem, the last one out walks slowly and menacingly, back to the camera, and turns around briefly to smile, revealing himself as the Joker. Unused footage added in with CG? I know it won't happen, and it shouldn't, but at the same time it'd be an amazing moment to see that for the first time in the theater.

 

[Daxceon]

A Scarecrow appearance would make the Joker's absence all the more glaring in my opinion.

 

[sly]

A Scarecrow appearance would make the Joker's absence all the more glaring in my opinion.

I do agree with that, but Batman has the greatest gallery of villains of all superheroes... and the more the merrier. Having cameos so villains can "partner up" is lame (a la Spider-Man 3), but giving each of them agendas and "cameos" like the Judge Scarecrow rumored scene is brilliant.

I was fine with Scarecrow's scene in TDK. It's a good way to tie the trilogy together, even though they work as separate films.

 

[El Payaso]

I like the dialogues. About Scarecrow, he should never be able to hold his own against Batman in a fight. Batman is a master in several martial arts.

And yet Joker beat the crap out of him.

Crane is a skinny guy who play with people's mind because he was bullied when he was young.

In comics. In the movies he was just an arrogant guy which little power to do anything. He even was provided of the blue flower by Ra's to develop his fear gas.

But this or that, if they're including any villiain in any superhero movie, that villiain should be worthy.

He can fight him like in "Terror" when he takes him by surprise, but he's nowhere near Batman equal. Hence he shouldn't be considered a physical threat (not without using his fear gas on Batman).

Then let's have him using it. Effectively. And not beaten by girls please.

 

[Naked Shia]

And yet Joker beat the crap out of him.



In comics. In the movies he was just an arrogant guy which little power to do anything. He even was provided of the blue flower by Ra's to develop his fear gas.

But this or that, if they're including any villiain in any superhero movie, that villiain should be worthy.



Then let's have him using it. Effectively. And not beaten by girls please.

Joker beat Batman up after he was taken down by dogs. I would hardly call that a fair fight. If they really fought, the Joker wouldn't have last more than 6 seconds. It was pretty clear each time Batman landed a punch the joker couldn't even stand on his feet.

And Scarecrow put Batman on fire and put him out of action for days.... It's far from a failure. But he didn't need his fists to do that.

 

[El Payaso]

Joker beat Batman up after he was taken down by dogs. I would hardly call that a fair fight. If they really fought, the Joker wouldn't have last more than 6 seconds. It was pretty clear each time Batman landed a punch the joker couldn't even stand on his feet.

You mean... villiains don't play fair??? But I didn't mention it was a fair fight, I just said that the villiain was worth of being a Batman contender. More than a girl was needed to beat him. That's enough.

And Scarecrow put Batman on fire and put him out of action for days.... It's far from a failure. But he didn't need his fists to do that.

This is the third time I have to say it: "That is the one thing that he did right."



If aything one would expect the villiain to become more and more of a threat throughout the story instead of going drastically downhill to the point of being kicked out of the movie by a girl.

 

[Naked Shia]

You mean... villiains don't play fair??? But I didn't mention it was a fair fight, I just said that the villiain was worth of being a Batman contender. More than a girl was needed to beat him. That's enough.



This is the third time I have to say it: "That is the one thing that he did right."



If aything one would expect the villiain to become more and more of a threat throughout the story instead of going drastically downhill to the point of being kicked out of the movie by a girl.

Ok. I was only talking about how enemies could, or could not stand against batman in a fair fight.

anyway, I understand why you feel that way. the taser thing didn't really bother me though, because he was taken by surprise when he thought he was in control. But again, I understand your point.

About him needing to be more of a threat, I think his appearance in TDK had a sense, and so did the way he was taken down. He was knocked out easily because of the context.

And if he is to appear in TDKR, and if the rumores are true, I think he'll showed as a real threat.

 

[Avengers-Report]

A Scarecrow appearance would make the Joker's absence all the more glaring in my opinion.

100% agreed

 

[Great Mind(s)]

Not if they have him locked in a cell deep underground or something. What would Bane and/or Talia need the Joker for? He would just disrupt their plans

 

[CJ]

I just had an idea for a scene with Scarecrow. (If they put him back in his costume and not just a judge's robe)

I'd like to see Bruce in TDKR, portrayed as a broken man. He's on the run, still grieving Rachel. Despite all his best efforts, the city of Gotham is rotting around him, (thanks to Bane breaking the inmates out of Arkham and the return of the League of Shadows) yet he still is hopelessly trying to save it. His spirit is broken, but he still presses on.

Maybe at one point in the film, when he encounters Scarecrow, he is dosed once again with the fear toxin. Batman sees brief flashes of the events of TDK, that turned him into this broken man we now see. (Like how he saw brief flashes of his parents death when he was first dosed with it in BB.)

There could be brief flashes of Harvey lying on the ground on fire, Joker lying on the floor of the interrogation room cackling, Two-Face shooting him with his gun.

The flashes become more intense, shot of his parents lying on the ground dead, Batman standing over the wreckage where Rachel died. The bats swarming around young Bruce in the well, Joker laughing again. Two Face yelling "IT'S ABOUT WHAT'S FAIR!!"

I think that would be a cool way to bring The Joker into the film while also tying together all of the movies.

 

[Armored Avenger]

I really enjoyed Scarecrow's appearance in The Dark Knight. He was not needed for that story at all and his character's strong theme of fear would have been out of place in The Dark Knight's story of chaos vs order. The little cameo was used to re-introduce Batman more than tie up Scarecrow.
If he did return in The Dark Knight Rises then I wouldn't mind, as I enjoy the character and like Murphy's portrayal. I would actually prefer him to be back in a small cameo role, rather than being a substantial part of the story. Briefly seeing one of Batman's old villains in the Bane-controlled criminal infested Gotham feels very much like something that would happen in a Batman comic book, so I am fine with it.

 

[General Vulcun]

I don't just think Scarecrow was there to tie up his escape in Begins, but also to show the preliminary movements of freaks into everyday crime. Rather than just having thugs or mobsters do drug dealings, now a freak like Scarecrow is starting to do it, too. It's foreshadowing the downfall of mobster's rule in Gotham as freaks start to move in on their turf, which is exactly what happens with the Joker later on.

As for Scarecrow in this film, I think being the one connection to span all 3 films (I'm assuimg Neeson is just playing Ra's in flashbacks) would help demonstrate that progression all the better. And if the rumoured scene is true, then we've definitely arrived at a point where the status of a freak, like Scarecrow, is more potent than ever. From that standpoint, Scarecrow's inclusion makes sense.

 

[Jedm1991]

Batman is immune to the fear gas after injecting himself in BB or is he not? i dont know.

 

[AnneFan]

Batman is immune to the fear gas after injecting himself in BB or is he not? i dont know.

Yes. Although Crane could always upgrade his formula.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Yes. Although Crane could always upgrade his formula.

I don't think we will see it but that would be awesome. Batman seeing Bane on fear-toxin would be epic.

I really hope Scarecrow is in this movie and not just a Crane as a judge cameo!

 

[Bathead]

Batman is immune to the fear gas after injecting himself in BB or is he not? i dont know.

My guess is that the immunity is only temporary, but I'm sure he probably carries a spare antidote in his utility belt "just in case".

 

[chamber-music]

Listening to Cillian Murphy squirm on BBC Radio 5 Live film show as Kermode and Mayo directly ask him if his in TDKR.

 

[lukey37]

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[arturo]

^ That Cillian Murphy´s interview says it all. t:

 

[TDK Joker]

I was about to post that myself.

I thought that was a really funny interview. Like asking him how Chris is and how is it working with Wally Pfister.