SM3 Lizard Discussion

[DACrowe]

Yeah.

The Lizard....I know you read my past plot summary, but have you checked my new (after seeing S-M2) concept?!

I think there is room for great drama with Lizard.

The origin inparticular where he lsowly forms and maybe hhe gets attacked when his own family runs in fear from him, by a gang when he goes outside (Bruce Campbell could be a smartass in that gang) and he slowly grows a tail and fangs in this scene. That and his scene with Billy and Martha reunited in Lizard form should have a real Darkman flair to it, and that leads of course to the ASM #33 scene....

sorry but just wanted you as a fellow Lizard fan's opinion.

 

[The Lizard]

An interesting note about the Master Planner issues of ASM # 32-33 that feature Dr. Connors....

On the original letters page in ASM #32, there's a B&W photo of a fan-made Lizard costume! Before Lizzy even made his second appearance, some crazy fan had made a costume of him for some parade!

 

[xxplaymakerx]

I think the lizard would look pretty badass on the big screen. And with there being one film completely about the goblin already. I think that GGII and The lizard would make a pretty good duo for spidey to go up against and the average movie goer won't feel like they are seeing the same movie over again. And plus who doesn't want to see a lizard swat a spider around NYC for a little awhile.

 

[The Green Goblin]

He looked very "badass" in the video game trailer. (that he was apparently cut from ).

But in Mysterio's hideout, there is a Lizard mask.

 

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by War Eagle
He looked very "badass" in the video game trailer. (that he was apparently cut from ).

But in Mysterio's hideout, there is a Lizard mask.

I'm going right home after work to try what you suggested to find that SM2 game preview, you know!

If you hear an echoing scream of anger around 6PM EST, you'll know I wasn't successful.


xxplaymakerx - Welcome to the Hype! Good to have another Lizard-supporter from my home state of Florida (and Dr. Connors' home state as well!).

 

[The Green Goblin]

You'll find it.

Just follow the trail of bugs and small frogs and snakes I left for ya big fella.

 

[Dr.Dude]

Originally posted by War Eagle
He looked very "badass" in the video game trailer. (that he was apparently cut from ).

Hmm...Maybe it's because Sony suddenly decided they wanted to use the character in some future movie, and not have him as an "extra" villain in the video game which would thereby be "out of continuity" if they had used him? ... I hope so, anyway.

Only thing that 's saddening to me about the idea of not ever seeing villains in the games is that it makes me kind of doubt I'll ever get to see the Vulture in the movies.

 

[Dr. Bromwell]

No Lizard for SM3... It's dissappointing that Dr. Connors was brought up in the first...and actually a character in the second. When you've still got Sandman, Electro, Mysterio to choose from yet...Lizard is way down the list.

For a storyline....Scorpion or Venom would be perfect. JJJ would play a role in either of those. And you could still work GG2 in without a problem.

 

[Boom]

Sandman over Lizard?



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I'm sorry. You have the right to your own opinion.


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[Dr. Bromwell]

Don't argue with Tobey...he wants Sandman too.

 

[Spidey-Bat]

Originally posted by Dr. Bromwell
Don't argue with Tobey...he wants Sandman too.

tobey isnt writing sm3. Just b/c he wants him, doesnt mean its possible. as far as budget goes, lizard is higer up than sandman

 

[Boom]

Your point is? Tobey Maguire isn't the one coming up with the story, is he?

And I'll argue with him all I want. Sandman is a terrible choice as a main villain.

 

[Dr. Bromwell]

Should have put a smiley face next to that comment. I realize Tobey's not writing SM3 and good luck argueing with him.

That said, a talking Lizard in a lab coat isn't the best villain available. Mainstream fans aren't gonna buy it on the big screen....I'd have to see some conceptual art but I'm picturing the Geico lizard human-sized in a lab-coat.

 

[Boom]

What do you mean "Good luck arguing with him?" What the hell? I don't need good luck to argue with him. He has as much say as I do when it comes to the plotting of the story for Spider-Man 3.

As for Lizard, you obviously know nothing about the "villain." He's a tragic character that offers interesting character development, and offers spectacular fight sequences with Spider-Man (He has just about all of Spider-Man's powers).

 

[Dr. Bromwell]

Kid, "good luck" finding him (any other qustions?) to explain how Lizard's powers are the same. Whatever that means. Does he have webshooters or are they organic? Oh, and I realize he's strong and crawls walls so don't waste your time.

Lizard's STORY is good...I agree. But Scorpion's is just as "tragic" and Sandman would look very cool on the big screen...especially as a side-villain to GG2 which will be the focus of the tragedy I'm guessing.

 

[Boom]

Yeah, I got a question. Why do I need good luck finding him? I have no desire to find him.

Lizard's powers:
-Superhuman strength
-Superhuman speed and reflexes
-ability to stick and crawl on walls

Sounds like a pretty difficult and challenging foe, wouldn't you say?

I agree with you when it comes to Scorpion for the most part, but I fail to see where you're going with Sandman. So Lizard wouldn't look very cool on the big screen?

 

[The Green Goblin]

My approach is for Connors to have a slow transformation (ala 80s The Fly) and Connors is more of a disfigured but intelligent "freak" for part of the movie, not a talking lizard in a lab-coat.

Finally the creature's prehistoric brain takes over and he begins to turn cold, unfeeling with primitive urges... to feed and to reproduce. This could be the small part of the movie where he forms some sort of "agenda".... but not in a cheezy way; again more dark and scary, like The Fly.

Ultimately he transforms in to a savage Raptor like monster with no significant intelligence (and no lab-coat). Spidey must face this dangerous creature, while trying not to hurt "it" and attempt to save his friend from himself.

Could be visually awesome IMO, and potentially a dark, chilling film. Lizard is the most complex villain in the rogue's gallery IMO, and if done right (with the different stages) it could work well. Not to mention the deep personal story of Spidey and the Connors family.

Lizard is a must, and he could be adapted visually for the screen.

 

[DACrowe]

Oh please would anyone not laugh at a man dressed up in a giant Scorpion suit who's armor now would look identical to GG's in the first movie?

Lizard is much more interesting than Scorpion. Scorpion is a knucklehead who chose to become like that for money, and was naturally becoming an evil s.o.b. Curt didn't choose it, but his own greed and determination to cure himself and humanity (a cross between both Norman and Otto's goals but some of his own because he is the only one who really has a personal gain from his experirments) turn him into...this thing. And the relationship between him and Martha and Billy could be heartwrenching and more powerful than anything with otto or Norman. And the fighting in the sewers could be fascinating, think of giant brick and metal catacombs, poorly lit with huge walls and bases reaching around like a spiraling maze, with huge water drops below and hard concret all mixed and crossed around, though the sewrs may not really look like that, they have been drawn like that many a time on purpose in the Spider-Man comics.

And to save one man from himself is Peter's mision and a man who is trying to control a monster from within that is now apparent on the outside and his constant switching from a weak and clouded minded Curt to a monsterous Lizard creature is far more interesting than a second tier and second stringer villain like Scorpion who more or less ripped off Lizard's tail.

 

[Boom]

That was beautiful DACrowe .

 

[Dr.Dude]

Originally posted by War Eagle
My approach is for Connors to have a slow transformation (ala 80s The Fly) and Connors is more of a disfigured but intelligent "freak" for part of the movie, not a talking lizard in a lab-coat.

Finally the creature's prehistoric brain takes over and he begins to turn cold, unfeeling with primitive urges... to feed and to reproduce. This could be the small part of the movie where he forms some sort of "agenda".... but not in a cheezy way; again more dark and scary, like The Fly.

Ultimately he transforms in to a savage Raptor like monster with no significant intelligence (and no lab-coat). Spidey must face this dangerous creature, while trying not to hurt "it" and attempt to save his friend from himself.

Could be visually awesome IMO, and potentially a dark, chilling film. Lizard is the most complex villain in the rogue's gallery IMO, and if done right (with the different stages) it could work well. Not to mention the deep personal story of Spidey and the Connors family.

Lizard is a must, and he could be adapted visually for the screen.

Doing Curt Connors transformation ala The Fly could be truly haunting and perfect for this villain.

Having the transformation happen slower that way gives you more sympathy for Curt than if you jump in when he's already the Lizard. Naturally, I'd prefer that once he changes into the Lizard he only changes back at the end of the movie if ever, as it would be too similar to the Hulk otherwise if he changes back and forth---And if you slowly show how after the experiment Connors starts losing hair, his overall body stance turning slightly more reptillian, his tastes changing, being struck with violent inhibitions, his skin roughly giving way into scales... it increases sympathy and allows you to get a good look at who the character Curt Connors is, putting him from what his perspective would be the worst possible situation that could happen, before he finally fully becomes a mindless reptillian monster. Obviously he'd have to transform slightly faster and differently than Seth Brundle(The Fly) did, or else Spider-Man would only be able to fight Lizzy once at the end, but that's obvious.

 

[The Lizard]

Originally posted by Dr.Dude
Having the transformation happen slower that way gives you more sympathy for Curt than if you jump in when he's already the Lizard. Naturally, I'd prefer that once he changes into the Lizard he only changes back at the end of the movie if ever, as it would be too similar to the Hulk otherwise if he changes back and forth---And if you slowly show how after the experiment Connors starts losing hair, his overall body stance turning slightly more reptillian, his tastes changing, his skin roughly giving way into scales... it increases sympathy and allows you to get a good look at who Connors is before he fully becomes a mindless reptillian monster. Obviously he'd have to transform slightly faster and differently than Seth Brundle(The Fly) did, or else Spider-Man would only be able to fight Lizzy once at the end, but that's obvious.

Yay! People are agreeing with me! It feels so good....

 

[Boom]

I like the idea as well. It adds to the character development.

 

[Dr. Bromwell]

You go Lizard...you're going Jekyll and Hyde. Too close to Norman and Otto. 3 doctors...3 movies...it would be too redundant. Mainstream folks will want something different for SM3.

Lizard in a dark Spidey movie would be the only way to go...but dark is Batman's thing at the movies. I'm wondering if a lizard/spidey fight scene in daylight could be done. A character like that has never been done (well) in daylight.

 

[Boom]

As long as the stories are unique, the mainstream folks won't care.

 

[The Green Goblin]

Originally posted by Dr.Dude

And if you slowly show how after the experiment Connors starts losing hair, his overall body stance turning slightly more reptillian, his tastes changing, being struck with violent inhibitions, his skin roughly giving way into scales...

You nailed it Dude!

And its like you've read the rough draft of my fanfic.

"The Beast in the Mirror

...Connors stands in the bathroom, shirtless. He looks into the mirror. C/U: He pulls back his lower lip to reveal a loose, bloody tooth, that plops into the sink. He brushes away dry flakes of skin from his face and notices that his hair is thinning..."

Martha walks up and we see her concerned, almost fearful look in the mirror....

Connors struggles with his humanity
"...Connors is sitting upright, eyes wide open. He is sleeping. We see the color of his skin has noticably changed to a pale,almost greyish tint.His ears have gotten drastically smaller. The eyebrows have thinned almost to the point of nothingness, helping to magnify his now seemingly enlarged brow.

Suddenly "life" returns to his eyes and he is awake. Connors, stretches and yawns, running his hand through his hair to scratch his head. Clumps of hair fall out but he doesn't seem to notice... or mind. He immediately goes back to writing notes...then stops and slams his pencil down in frustration..."