The Joker
The Clown Prince of Crime
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How integral were the plot points involving Uncle Ben and Billy to their first films? Now what significance does rewriting/adding onto that history later on, do to the perspective of the characters and events that were affected? It flips it entirely on its side, does it not?
I've not found a decent argument that could apply the same to Ra's/Talia. More on that later.
That's why I said I'm not condemning it because I don't know yet what Nolan is going to do with it.
But omitting the fact that he even had a daughter, and only mentioning his wife, in the context of mentioning how he was losing himself in anger is very big omission. Particularly when comparing his pain to Bruce's, when Bruce lost all his family, and Ra's supposedly still had a daughter.
I want to get a better handle of this. You would willingly accept Bruce has no family and is "alone", in spite of having a close and stable relation with Alfred? And when Rachel is still out and about, who is someone he clearly loves? Apparently it wasn't enough for him to stay in Gotham. He sought out meaning to his angst, because the people around him weren't capable of filling that void. It doesn't mean they don't exist and it doesn't mean their is no compassion both ways.
First of all Alfred and Rachel are not family. To even compare a childhood friend and the family butler to something like a daughter is ludicrous.
Second, the nature of the two relationships is entirely different. Neither Alfred or Rachel are dependent on Bruce for anything. Whereas a daughter who just lost her mother would be entirely dependent on her father for love and support.
For whatever reason this is refused when applied to Ra's. The only reason Ra's could be so focused on a selfless mission, the only viable means that he would be so emotionally secluded, is for him to literally and physically -- be alone. There is no room for interpretation; that is a blatant disregard for human behavior and is a black/white mentality in a world full of grays.
As someone who has dabbled in the clinical health psychology academics for a few years now, this is absolutely baffling that I have to actually write that out. I would think most people have at least a fundamental understanding that our own unique dispositions are shaped by complex mechanics.
Will you stop your blustering for a moment, and actually read what I said instead of reading something that isn't there.
Nobody said the only situation Ra's could want vengeance is if he were alone. I said he was comparing his situation to Bruce's, where Bruce lost all of his family in one go. The family butler and a childhood friend are not family, and don't even come close to a mother and father, or having a daughter.