SpeedBall? Damn!

[bkhedr]

i'd be shocked if Namorita survived

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'd be more shocked if Microbe survived

 

[Darthphere]

Id be shocked if anyone really cared if they survived.

 

[Tropico]

I got it from here, Marvel.com

http://www.marvel.com/universe/Speedball

The current Marvel Universe "guide" at Marvel.Com is dependant upon the people who write. The power description is wrong (I know it HAS changed because I've gone in and looked at it a couple of times) as in: incomplete and with errors. Here...

After a E-M blast from Siena Blaze...

Everyone can speculate at this moment who MIGHT be dead but I think there's some wiggle room as to who might be the survivor (Speedball).

 

[Tropico]

What about this guy? He is dead. No love for the Night Thrasher, head or the Taylor Foundation

There was actually a Night Thrasher appreciation thread for a while here. I think Varient was one of the posters that was interested in the character.

Id be shocked if anyone really cared if they survived.

People in the real world or people in the comics? If it's the former, then start being shocked because I care and the person that started this thread cares and other people have posted their discontent in the Civil War thread also. If it's the latter, there's still Nova, Justice, Firestar and other of the later New Warriors that are still around and SHOULD care; the writers could flip it around, though.

 

[Darthphere]

Its a Hawkeye situation, nobody cared about them until they were killed off.

 

[bkhedr]

come on now
who doesnt love Hawkeye?

 

[Darthphere]

come on now
who doesnt love Hawkeye?

Everybody, since he died.

 

[Tropico]

Its a Hawkeye situation, nobody cared about them until they were killed off.

 

[Darthphere]

You mad, because its true.

 

[Tropico]

You mad, because its true.

Dude, I'm not even NEAR mad; I know you're doing it to be annoying. I know some people get off on being a *****e, to each their own.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I'm surprised people are saying that this is like the Hawkeye thing. I've never heard a bad word spoken about the New Warriors, and every time a New Warriors idea came up from Marvel the fans seemed to react well. Granted, they haven't been given anything good since the end of their first volume, but they still have fans out there. Now maybe individual warriors don't have fans. Truthfully I couldn't care less about Namorita or Silhouette, but I love Speedball, Night Thrasher, Nova, Rage, etc. I even grew to like Microbe in the goofy Reality Bites Mini (which ended up not being so bad if you actuallly read it with an open mind).

I just hope that they do something with the other warriors. Nova may be in space, but Firestar, Justice, and Rage are still out there. If Speedball survives, there's four there. Not saying they should relaunch the New Warriors, as I'm sure that'll be a taboo name in Marvel... but maybe something new. Hook them up with some other discarded team members like some of the Slingers or something. I think this could work, but we'll see. I'm hoping something good comes from this.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

The current Marvel Universe "guide" at Marvel.Com is dependant upon the people who write. The power description is wrong (I know it HAS changed because I've gone in and looked at it a couple of times) as in: incomplete and with errors. Here...

Well the editor of the new MU bios on the website which is presumably connected to the handbook they are releasing. Is editted by Jeff Christensen who has every single Marvel comic since FF#1 and I assume much more now that he scored a job with Marvel. He also operates the very great Marvel Universe Appendix. Even comic through break their bios all the time. Such as Adamantium, virtually indestructible...despite the fact that several have destroyed it. Also the bio said "when his kenetic field is up", he was obviously caught off gaurd in both instances.

 

[cerealkiller182]

^^^^Adamantium being virtually indestructible is pretty accurate I would say. Virtually means almost always, but not quite. For most circumstances, Adamantium will hold up i would assume.

 

[Tropico]

Well the editor of the new MU bios on the website which is presumably connected to the handbook they are releasing. Is editted by Jeff Christensen who has every single Marvel comic since FF#1 and I assume much more now that he scored a job with Marvel. He also operates the very great Marvel Universe Appendix. Even comic through break their bios all the time. Such as Adamantium, virtually indestructible...despite the fact that several have destroyed it. Also the bio said "when his kenetic field is up", he was obviously caught off gaurd in both instances.

I'll still keep that, at the very least, Speedball's bio is not accurate. In regards to Robbie Baldwin's alter ego:
-He gains mass when he turns into Speedball, nowhere more evident when he reveals to them what he really looks like and Nova says he's more of a toothpick than as Speedball; everyone was surprised.
-His mastery over his powers increased to the point where he could extend his field outwards and absorb the kinetic energy of whatever object was in his field, he did the "stopping the bullets in mid air and then they fall harmlessly to the floor" trick years before the Matrix.
-He not only could use his field to intensify his blows (as mentioned in the bio) but he could make blasts out of it (yeah, BUBBLE blasts!).
-The image electronic devices get of him is SUPPOSED to be a mas of swirling globules (or bubbles), NOT a man inside bubbles, but actually his Speedball effect in the vague shape of a person. Boy, would THAT have thrown a monkey wrench in the last mini's works if they had chosen to acknowledge it, huh?!
-When he changes into Speedball his voice changes and has a weird "echo" effect.
-He has changed the look of his uniform with his kinetic field.

Both the Sphinx and Gideon have hinted that Speedball's powers have FAR more potential than how he uses them. When Darrion Grobe (who was acting as a duplicate Speedball) was losing control of his powers he aged objects within his rampant kinetic field to the point of disintegration.

In regards to your comments about bios being broken...virtually indestructable means that it's possible to break it although extremely difficult to do so.

Your comment about Speedball being caught off guard doesn't hold water since his field is constantly active when he's Speedball and/or any object in a collision course with him WILL activate the field. In the Siena Blaze case, he was fully aware and actually EXTENDED his field to protect others that were with him; Siena Blaze's blast was meant to kill them hence my previous remark that his field does blunt some energy damage, BLUNT being the key word here. His power isn't subject to him being aware of the attack, I think you're confusing him with the way Aegis' forcefield works.

I apologize if at any moment this post seems condescending, it isn't meant that way; my intention is to make clear why I hold my stance. But it's cool to know that there's a capable person editing the Marvel Universe project, maybe he'll help Marvel get it straight.

 

[Vanguard07]

come on now
who doesnt love Hawkeye?

I dont love hawkeye. I found him annoying, goofy looking and useless BEFORE he died and have been attempting to forget him since. I'm honestly hoping they DONT bring him back but it's clear i'm not getting that particular wish.
It'll probably end up being him who's impersonating DD while Matt's in prison or something.

 

[MJB]

correct me if i'm wrong but doesnt one analyst blame Speedball for the Stamford incident in Civil War and acctually begin his sentence with: "I know its not proper to speak ill of the dead but..."

I for one hope he's dead, besides if he wasnt that would make Civil War really silly. ITs one thing to blame ALL the heroes when you cant blame the people responsible and your anger makes you wanna blame somebody, anybody, but when you have the people whose negligence caused this whole thing right in front of you, wouldnt you go after them instead of say...Johnny Storm, who saved the whole world from Galactus?

just my two cents

No I don't think so. The problem has been brewing about Superhumans. The incident just broke the camels back. It's not really that simple about about goingafter the only one who caused the problem. For god's sake i can name incidents in the real worold. Not all Arabs caused 9-11 but that didn't stop people from scapegoating and generalizing the entire race and the islamic religion.

 

[MJB]

k so he's not dead
i'm only thinking he might be dead because of a single dialogue bubble in Civil War which implied that he was dead but I guess he's not

I haven't read any pre Civil War titles, but i just read Civil War 1 and I got the impression he was dead when the guy said "he doesn't want to speak ill of the dead, but this boy speedball couldn't even name the president of the US" I just thought that comment summed it up, but if some are saying he's alive then i guess he is.

 

[MJB]

Well dead or not Speedball's filed should have easily protected him from that blast. Siena Blaze's em blast is far more powerful and he withstood it and protected others. Her intent as someone said was to kill him and the others. The comment from the writers also mentioned that nothing living short of the Hulk could have survied that attack from Blaze. So anyone unprotected and doesn't have at least hulk level invulnerability could not have made it out alive. Speedy's field is pretty powerful if he stop her blast, so that why i brought up the question as to why he would be killed by Nitro's much weaker blast???

 

[MJB]

I think it would be good to have Speedball alive. It'll be interesting to see the aftermath with the focus on him. Speedy's always been a goofball and likable guy. He was reckless and seeing what effect and toll this takes on him would be interesting. While not to blame directly still indirectly he is responsible and millions are going to see him that way. Speedball will be like the Osama Bin laden of the Stamford incident. I want him to be alive.

 

[Kotagg]

For what it's worth, I don't like Hawkeye either - he's annoying. I DO like Speedball however.

 

[Mr. Green]

See this kinda bugs me
I like Night Thrasher almost as much as I dislike Speedball and I find it hard to believe that Night Thrasher would be so stupid as to allow the New Warriors into such a potentially bad situation
Speedball I believe, he's capable of all kinds of stupidity, but Night Thrasher, come on

I actually think it was great writing.

The story starts off in that kind of New Warriors cartoonish mood. Everything is bright and happy and good. The New Warriors are doing really well against villains that are pretty tough. In fact Namorita just had to put Nitro unconscious to avoid a disaster.

Then everything goes bad, and that is how the mood is set perfectly for the rest of the issue. It just takes one turn of the page and everything is set up.

 

[HuyLantern]

If you know comics, characters don't stay dead, well most of them. It's as if the companies have a pet cemetery in their backyards.

 

[kiuju2k]

I don't see why he should be dead. Wouldn't make much sense. I guess the heroes have their martyr.

 

[Kotagg]

Hah, I don't think the word "martyr" applies here, in any way, shape, or form. At all.

He's definitely more of a catalyst than a martyr, and any hero worth their weight in cheese should be simply shaking head at his idiocy.