The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man Reboot Costume Part 4 - "What's that in his eye??" - Part 5

[Curmudgeon]

In my opinion, that's impossible, as he's already lost a few battles. Little things like the costume, the change in Peter's characterization, et cetera, but still losses none the less, so Flawless Victory is out of question for me.
Still, he could top the Raimi series.

I think Webb's already won that battle.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Little things like the costume

And little things like the fact that he doesn't **** out of his hands isn't something that he has over Raimi?

, the change in Peter's characterization

Which characterization are talking about? Raimi's Peter was Ditko-era. Webb's is Ultimate.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I don't agree with anything you said there so it's definitely possible. The costume looks great to me. The characterization of Peter DEFINITELY seems much better than Raimi's one.

I prefer the Acheson suits to the Barrett suit, and I personally like the more faithful characterization of Peter in the Raimi films more than the reinvented one that the Peter of this reboot seems to be.

 

[El Payaso]

I think Raimi's hits far exceeded his misses.

For me, in SM2, it's true.

 

[VenomSpawn]

I don't agree with anything you said there so it's definitely possible. The costume looks great to me. The characterization of Peter DEFINITELY seems much better than Raimi's one.

I agree.

 

[Troy_Parker]

I prefer the Acheson suits to the Barrett suit, and I personally like the more faithful characterization of Peter in the Raimi films more than the reinvented one that the Peter of this reboot seems to be.

Except it's not reinvented. It's in line with his Ultimate personality.

Y'know, the one where he acts like a 17 year old rash teen... which he seems to be in this movie too.

 

[©KAW]

I agree. Sam Raimi really nailed the central themes and ideas of Spider-Man as a character.
I don't see how Webb's vision is really closer to the spirit of Spider-Man than Raimi's was, once you figure in the changes he's making.

Really? Raimi's Spider-Man let's a bank robber go free, an accomplice to his Uncle Ben's death go free and someone who tried to kill him (who proclaims that he's not a bad man) go free. Yeah, he nails the central themes and ideas of Spider-Man. I know you like to forget SM3, but it has the same director and it follows the same continuity, and it has ruined Spider-Man as a character and his origin. Way to go Raimi!

 

[Godzilla2014]

I think Webb's already won that battle.

No, he hasn't. Nothing of what I have seen of the new Peter Parker looks like an improvement over the previous one.

And little things like the fact that he doesn't **** out of his hands isn't something that he has over Raimi?

Possibly, but my point is that Raimi still has things over Webb, so it cannot be a Flawless Victory.

Which characterization are talking about? Raimi's Peter was Ditko-era. Webb's is Ultimate.

I don't recall Ultimate Peter Parker being a troubled delinquent.

 

[UltimateWebhead]

Raimi got the essential spirit of Spider-man/Peter Parker done very well. So far the only thing I have seen that is holding Webb behind Raimi is the costume. Still not sold on it. It's growing on me though...the more I see it, the better I feel about it. Like I've said before and others have also said...it boils down to the movie being good. If that's the case, then my feelings about the suit will be ignored.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Raimi got the essential spirit of Spider-man/Peter Parker done very well. So far the only thing I have seen that is holding Webb behind Raimi is the costume. Still not sold on it. It's growing on me though...the more I see it, the better I feel about it. Like I've said before and others have also said...it boils down to the movie being good. If that's the case, then my feelings about the suit will be ignored.

I agree. The costume isn't growing on me, but I'm trying to ignore it and look past it.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Here's the lowdown on what I think Raimi did excellently, and what I believe Webb will doe excellently, followed with a breakdown of why I think TASM will be superior.

Raimi's Films
Costume faithfulness
Bringing us into spider-Man's universe
The Norman Osborn Persona
Emphasis on how difficult it was for Peter to juggle being a hero, nephew, employee, boyfriend and student
Harry ****ing Osborn

Webb's films
Bringing Spider-Man into our world
Portraying realistic emotional dynamics
Peter's relationships
Cinematography
Villainous motives
Spider-Man's persona
Overarching subplots

Conclusion

I think The Amazing Spider-Man will be the better Spider-Man films for a few reasons. Firstly, I think the cast of The Amazing Spider-Man is way stronger. Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone are going to be ridiculously good while Tobey and Kirsten, while they got the job done, fell flat a lot of the time. I think Webb will nail the emotional aspects where again, Raimi fell flat some of the time, especially in dialogue. I think Webb will do a better job with action (believe it or not) based on what I've seen in set videos and what RIM has told us about some of the sequences. And lastly I just think I'll be able to connect with Andrew's version of Peter Parker a lot easier. Tobey's Peter Parker was straight out of the 60s, and he reminded me of how my dad would have been when he was a teenager, which really took me out of things a little bit. I love my dad, but not as Peter Parker. I just see a lot more o myself in Andrew's Peter Parker and I can't wait to see him on screen.

 

[Curmudgeon]

No, he hasn't. Nothing of what I have seen of the new Peter Parker looks like an improvement over the previous one.



Possibly, but my point is that Raimi still has things over Webb, so it cannot be a Flawless Victory.



I don't recall Ultimate Peter Parker being a troubled delinquent.

Everything that I have heard about the new Peter Parker seems like an improvement to me.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Really? Raimi's Spider-Man let's a bank robber go free, an accomplice to his Uncle Ben's death go free and someone who tried to kill him (who proclaims that he's not a bad man) go free. Yeah, he nails the central themes and ideas of Spider-Man. I know you like to forget SM3, but it has the same director and it follows the same continuity, and it has ruined Spider-Man as a character and his origin. Way to go Raimi!

I'd have to agree with you here, KAW.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Possibly, but my point is that Raimi still has things over Webb, so it cannot be a Flawless Victory.

And Webb has pretty much an equal amount of things over Raimi. So why are you still adamant that Webb doesn't?

I don't recall Ultimate Peter Parker being a troubled delinquent.

Hmm, I don't know if he's troubled in this either? He's still an alienated teen.

But regardless of whether or not it is in line with the Ultimate personality, why do you want to see the exact same thing again?

You've gotten your "faithful" (your words, not mine) characterization of Peter, would you not rather see another director's take on it rather than seeing exactly the same thing over again?

 

[Godzilla2014]

Here's the lowdown on what I think Raimi did excellently, and what I believe Webb will doe excellently, followed with a breakdown of why I think TASM will be superior.

Raimi's Films
Costume faithfulness
Bringing us into spider-Man's universe
The Norman Osborn Persona
Emphasis on how difficult it was for Peter to juggle being a hero, nephew, employee, boyfriend and student
Harry ****ing Osborn

Webb's films
Bringing Spider-Man into our world
Portraying realistic emotional dynamics
Peter's relationships
Cinematography
Villainous motives
Spider-Man's persona
Overarching subplots

Conclusion

I think The Amazing Spider-Man will be the better Spider-Man films for a few reasons. Firstly, I think the cast of The Amazing Spider-Man is way stronger. Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone are going to be ridiculously good while Tobey and Kirsten, while they got the job done, fell flat a lot of the time. I think Webb will nail the emotional aspects where again, Raimi fell flat some of the time, especially in dialogue. I think Webb will do a better job with action (believe it or not) based on what I've seen in set videos and what RIM has told us about some of the sequences. And lastly I just think I'll be able to connect with Andrew's version of Peter Parker a lot easier. Tobey's Peter Parker was straight out of the 60s, and he reminded me of how my dad would have been when he was a teenager, which really took me out of things a little bit. I love my dad, but not as Peter Parker. I just see a lot more o myself in Andrew's Peter Parker and I can't wait to see him on screen.

I'm reserving final judgement on the overall film until I actually see it.

Everything that I have heard about the new Peter Parker seems like an improvement to me.

How so?

 

[Oscorp]

Possibly, but my point is that Raimi still has things over Webb, so it cannot be a Flawless Victory.

In your eyes. In mine however, it definitely can. In my opinion, it so far looks like a flawless victory from what we've seen.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Here's the lowdown on what I think Raimi did excellently, and what I believe Webb will doe excellently, followed with a breakdown of why I think TASM will be superior.

Raimi's Films
Costume faithfulness
Bringing us into spider-Man's universe
The Norman Osborn Persona
Emphasis on how difficult it was for Peter to juggle being a hero, nephew, employee, boyfriend and student
Harry ****ing Osborn

Webb's films
Bringing Spider-Man into our world
Portraying realistic emotional dynamics
Peter's relationships
Cinematography
Villainous motives
Spider-Man's persona
Overarching subplots

Conclusion

I think The Amazing Spider-Man will be the better Spider-Man films for a few reasons. Firstly, I think the cast of The Amazing Spider-Man is way stronger. Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone are going to be ridiculously good while Tobey and Kirsten, while they got the job done, fell flat a lot of the time. I think Webb will nail the emotional aspects where again, Raimi fell flat some of the time, especially in dialogue. I think Webb will do a better job with action (believe it or not) based on what I've seen in set videos and what RIM has told us about some of the sequences. And lastly I just think I'll be able to connect with Andrew's version of Peter Parker a lot easier. Tobey's Peter Parker was straight out of the 60s, and he reminded me of how my dad would have been when he was a teenager, which really took me out of things a little bit. I love my dad, but not as Peter Parker. I just see a lot more o myself in Andrew's Peter Parker and I can't wait to see him on screen.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Webb's Peter Parker is WAY more relatable than Raimi's.

 

[itsleroy]

Isn't this just another variation of the Raimi vs. Webb argument that we've been having these past couple months?

 

[Troy_Parker]

Isn't this just another variation of the Raimi vs. Webb argument that repeats itself every couple of months?

Fixed.

 

[VenomSpawn]

Isn't this just another variation of the Raimi vs. Webb argument that we've been having since 2010?

Fixed

 

[Godzilla2014]

And Webb has pretty much an equal amount of things over Raimi. So why are you still adamant that Webb doesn't?

You're missing the point. For Webb to have a Flawless Victory and top Raimi in EVERY aspect, he must have EVERYTHING over Raimi. He doesn't, so he won't top Raimi in EVERY aspect.

Hmm, I don't know if he's troubled in this either? He's still an alienated teen.

Which is rather vague.

But regardless of whether or not it is in line with the Ultimate personality, why do you want to see the exact same thing again?

You've gotten your "faithful" (your words, not mine) characterization of Peter, would you not rather see another director's take on it rather than seeing exactly the same thing over again?

I don't need the exact same thing, but I don't want a reinvented Peter Parker. Because when I go to a Spider-Man movie, I want to see Spider-Man on the big screen. If I didn't want to see the same character again, then I wouldn't go.

 

[Spiderman6592]

Yes, but it's actually civl. WHAT A TWIST!



And Godzilla, weren't you against seeing the origin again? So...you want to see the same exact character every single time...but not what makes him...

 

[Godzilla2014]

In your eyes. In mine however, it definitely can. In my opinion, it so far looks like a flawless victory from what we've seen.

So you're saying you like the new costume better than the previous one?

 

[Oscorp]

You're missing the point. For Webb to have a Flawless Victory and top Raimi in EVERY aspect, he must have EVERYTHING over Raimi. He doesn't, so he won't top Raimi in EVERY aspect.

He's not missing his point. It's all about opinion. You can't say that he's wrong.

For me, it looks like a flawless victory so far.