The Amazing Spider-Man Spider-Man Reboot Costume Part 4 - "What's that in his eye??" - Part 5

[Godzilla2014]

That's arguable.

Agreed.

Explain.

He apparently doesn't know the definition of sleek.

Agreed completely.

Someone who knows what "sleek" actually means!

 

[Godzilla2014]

IMO, it isn't.

"Sleekness" is not subjective. It means smooth and glossy, which the Acheson is.

 

[craigdbfan]

Just for the record the Ditko design is one of the few if not only SH designs that has stood the test of time.

TAS suit has already aged more than the timeless Ditko design.

Because other than the Symbiote suit which is all black and the OG Ditko every other alternate Spider-Man costume now looks dated in retrospect and this new one will be no different.

 

[Juicy J]

I get that. I'm only saying that the people who are working on the movie consider this suit modern... and a lot of other people do too.

And I like I said, I even agree with that but it wasn't my point.

Sleek, and smooth is modern. At least widely considered modern. The new suit is most definitely sleek. The Acheson suit isn't.

....
once again: not my point. My point was, and I don't know why I need to repeat it, is that you have no place getting frustrated at someone cause they don't see eye to eye with you on a subjective matter.



That being said:
let's not start a debate about the old suit and the new one, especially not one that centers around terms like 'sleek' or 'modern'.
There's no concrete visual definition as to what those words mean, they have different connotations for different people.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Just for the record the Ditko design is one of the few if not only SH designs that has stood the test of time.

TAS suit has already aged more than the timeless Ditko design.

Because other than the Symbiote suit which is all black and the OG Ditko every other alternate Spider-Man costume now looks dated in retrospect and this new one will be no different.

Agreed completely.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Just for the record the Ditko design is one of the few if not only SH designs that has stood the test of time.

TAS suit has already aged more than the timeless Ditko design.

Because other than the Symbiote suit which is all black and the OG Ditko every other alternate Spider-Man costume now looks dated in retrospect and this new one will be no different.

Agreed.

And I like I said, I even agree with that but it wasn't my point.

....
once again: not my point. My point was, and I don't know why I need to repeat it, is that you have no place getting frustrated at someone cause they don't see eye to eye with you on a subjective matter.



That being said:
let's not start a debate about the old suit and the new one, especially not one that centers around terms like 'sleek' or 'modern'.
There's no concrete visual definition as to what those words mean, they have different connotations for different people.

"Sleek" has a very concrete definition. It means "smooth and glossy".

 

[Marvel Spider]

I have no problem with the new suit. Spy pics don't count.

 

[Juicy J]

"Sleek" has a very concrete definition. It means "smooth and glossy".

Uh yeah, but how does that translate visually? That can be endlessly debated. It has different connotations for different people.
You're gonna argue for the Acheson design, he's gonna argue for the newer one. I just don't see the sense in trying to debate which one is "smoother and glossier" because neither side is going to see eye to eye.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Uh yeah, but how does that translate visually? That can be endlessly debated. It has different connotations for different people.
You're gonna argue for the Acheson design, he's gonna argue for the newer one. I just don't see the sense in trying to debate which one is "smoother and glossier" because neither side is going to see eye to eye.

Your sensible logic has no place on the internet.

You must be annihilated.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

Just for the record the Ditko design is one of the few if not only SH designs that has stood the test of time.

TAS suit has already aged more than the timeless Ditko design.

Because other than the Symbiote suit which is all black and the OG Ditko every other alternate Spider-Man costume now looks dated in retrospect and this new one will be no different.

This applies to all superhero films though, since most them have suits that are specifically made for their own screen version of the character, as opposed to what the standard has been in the comics.

Superman is the best example. He has the most iconic superhero outfit of all time, bar none, but surprise, surprise... they changed it for the reboot.

 

[Juicy J]

Your sensible logic has no place on the internet.

You must be annihilated.

t:

 

[Spiderman6592]

Actually, the Acheson suit is sleeker than the new one.

The Acheson suit is neither smooth, nor glossy...what are you talking about. The raised webbing wipes out half the definition entirely and the texture of the suit is by no means glossy...


Jesus man, this is exactly why I hate discussing this with you. Even if I make a point about how the new suit looks, the Acheson suit automatically has to look "more *insert adjective*" to you. It's ****ing frustrating. I didn't even make modern or sleek sound like it was better, just stating how it looked and of course you have to jump in say, "YEAH BUT THE ACHESON SUIT WAS MORE SLEEK!"

 

[craigdbfan]

This applies to all superhero films though, since most them have suits that are specifically made for their own screen version of the character, as opposed to what the standard has been in the comics.

Superman is the best example. He has the most iconic superhero outfit of all time, bar none, but surprise, surprise... they changed it for the reboot.

As much as I love Superman the big difference between him and Spidey is the inherit differences in the design. For one Spider-Man suit was among the first to omit the entire underpants outside the tights deal. That was a giant step in itself amongst the genre.

The design ever since has resonated with every generation since it's creation with nowhere near the amount of ridicule and loss of popularity that Superman went through. Almost every other hero (including now Superman) has had to go through omitting the underpants process to work on film including Batman of course. The same cannot be said for Spider-Man.

So the Superman comparison holds no water when talking in regards to Spidey. There's no aspect of Spider-Man that holds some odd stigma against it. Underpants on top of tights however don't quite go as easy with the modern public nowadays without receiving some sort of mockery unfortunately.

Spider-Mans original design is among the few that lends itself so well to the big screen without any major changes. Every other hero has had to had some changes and for those who have kept the underpants have received a ton of blow back.

Spider-Mans original design like I said is literally timeless.

1962

2005

2002 (film)

 

[Troy_Parker]

Agreed. Spidey's design is timeless. It's why even in most alternate variations of the classic suit, key elements remain.

 

[Godzilla2014]

The Acheson suit is neither smooth, nor glossy...what are you talking about. The raised webbing wipes out half the definition entirely and the texture of the suit is by no means glossy...


Jesus man, this is exactly why I hate discussing this with you. Even if I make a point about how the new suit looks, the Acheson suit automatically has to look "more *insert adjective*" to you. It's ****ing frustrating.

The material of the Acheson suit is much smoother than that of the new suit, and the webbing was glossy, hence, it's sleek. I don't think one can say that the Acheson suit isn't sleek at all.

 

[Spiderman6592]

OH MY GOD MAN. It is not more sleek than the new suit. The new suit is smoother and glossier in texture alone. That does not mean it's better. Not every single ****ing opinion put forth about the new suit needs to be interjected with how the Acheson suit was the same, or better in a certain right. It's so annoying man. And you wonder why we don't respond to your "constructive criticism". It's because every post you make is about how the only suit that will work is Acheson's suit. We get it. WE. GET. IT. Can we not just discuss this goddamn suit without having to talk about Raimi's suit as well? You like Raimi's suit and dislike this one. We understand that. Can't you move on from it already so we can talk about the elements of the new suit independently of the old one? Please?

 

[Godzilla2014]

OH MY GOD MAN. It is not more sleek than the new suit. The new suit is smoother and glossier in texture alone. That does not mean it's better. Not every single ****ing opinion put forth about the new suit needs to be interjected with how the Acheson suit was the same, or better in a certain right. It's so annoying man. And you wonder why we don't respond to your "constructive criticism". It's because every post you make is about how the only suit that will work is Acheson's suit. We get it. WE. GET. IT. Can we not just discuss this goddamn suit without having to talk about Raimi's suit as well? You like Raimi's suit and dislike this one. We understand that. Can't you move on from it already so we can talk about the elements of the new suit independently of the old one? Please?

You make assumptions about me that aren't true. Just because I think that the Acheson suits are the best translations of the suit for live-action (to date), doesn't mean that they're the only ones that would work.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

As much as I love Superman the big difference between him and Spidey is the inherit differences in the design. For one Spider-Man suit was among the first to omit the entire underpants outside the tights deal. That was a giant step in itself amongst the genre.

The design ever since has resonated with every generation since it's creation with nowhere near the amount of ridicule and loss of popularity that Superman went through. Almost every other hero (including now Superman) has had to go through omitting the underpants process to work on film including Batman of course. The same cannot be said for Spider-Man.

So the Superman comparison holds no water when talking in regards to Spidey. There's no aspect of Spider-Man that holds some odd stigma against it. Underpants on top of tights however don't quite go as easy with the modern public nowadays without receiving some sort of mockery unfortunately.

Spider-Mans original design is among the few that lends itself so well to the big screen without any major changes. Every other hero has had to had some changes and for those who have kept the underpants have received a ton of blow back.

Spider-Mans original design like I said is literally timeless.

1962

2005

2002 (film)

Well said completely! It's a timeless suit that doesn't need to be drastically altered to work.

 

[Spiderman6592]

@Godzilla You sure as hell make it sound like it. My point is that if there are any liberties taken, you won't like it. The only modification you probably would have liked to the Acheson suit is non-raised webbing. It's just so annoying dude. We'll get a new picture of the suit and we'll come in here and discuss it and sure enough you eventually weasel your way into the discussion about how it doesn't look good.

 

[Scarlet Spider]

As much as I love Superman the big difference between him and Spidey is the inherit differences in the design. For one Spider-Man suit was among the first to omit the entire underpants outside the tights deal. That was a giant step in itself amongst the genre.

The design ever since has resonated with every generation since it's creation with nowhere near the amount of ridicule and loss of popularity that Superman went through. Almost every other hero (including now Superman) has had to go through omitting the underpants process to work on film including Batman of course. The same cannot be said for Spider-Man.

So the Superman comparison holds no water when talking in regards to Spidey. There's no aspect of Spider-Man that holds some odd stigma against it. Underpants on top of tights however don't quite go as easy with the modern public nowadays without receiving some sort of mockery unfortunately.

Spider-Mans original design is among the few that lends itself so well to the big screen without any major changes. Every other hero has had to had some changes and for those who have kept the underpants have received a ton of blow back.

Spider-Mans original design like I said is literally timeless.

I respect your opinion but the truth of the matter is that Superman's look is the most iconic look to the general public. That's the standard that people know of when they think of the character and his enormous history.

The same way you feel about the Ditko design, I can find you tons of passionate Superman fans that feel exactly the same about Superman's classic look and will make just as strong of an argument and won't stand for any change to the classic look at all.

I take it you've read Kurosawa's posts in the Superman costume thread.

It's the same thing.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Well said completely! It's a timeless suit that doesn't need to be drastically altered to work.

The thing is, for a movie that's a reboot. That Sony doesn't want people to think has any connection with the previous trilogy... they kind of have to.

Had this reboot happened in say, 2020 or something, yeah. They probably wouldn't have done that much to it.

With that being said, it's not drastically altered. At least, it isn't to me. It has all of the key elements of the good old red and blue's.

Anybody could take a single glance at TASM movie suit and say "That's Spider-Man". It'd be drastically altered if it just barely resembled Spider-Man.

Drastically altered?

Nolan's Bane comes to mind.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Well said completely! It's a timeless suit that doesn't need to be drastically altered to work.

Agreed.

@Godzilla You sure as hell make it sound like it. My point is that if there are any liberties taken, you won't like it. The only modification you probably would have liked to the Acheson suit is non-raised webbing. It's just so annoying dude. We'll get a new picture of the suit and we'll come in here and discuss it and sure enough you eventually weasel your way into the discussion about how it doesn't look good.

I like the new texture, colors, et cetera, and I think the costume actually looks cool from the mid torso up.

 

[Godzilla2014]

The thing is, for a movie that's a reboot. That Sony doesn't want people to think has any connection with the previous trilogy... they kind of have to.

Had this reboot happened in say, 2020 or something, yeah. They probably wouldn't have done that much to it.

With that being said, it's not drastically altered. At least, it isn't to me. It has all of the key elements of the good old red and blue's.

Anybody could take a single glance at TASM movie suit and say "That's Spider-Man". It'd be drastically altered if it just barely resembled Spider-Man.

Drastically altered?

Nolan's Bane comes to mind.

I accept that the suit has to be different for a reboot that was so soon, but I think that it might have been a bit too early for a reboot in the first place.

 

[Troy_Parker]

After the way that Spider-Man 3 went, I don't. Had Spider-Man 3 gone differently (y'know, better)? I would be against this reboot 110%.

What I don't get is, almost everyone wanted a reboot after Spider-Man 3... and they got exactly that. So what's the problem? lol

 

[craigdbfan]

I respect your opinion but the truth of the matter is that Superman's look is the most iconic look to the general public. That's the standard that people know of when they think of the character and his enormous history.

The same way you feel about the Ditko design, I can find you tons of passionate Superman fans that feel exactly the same about Superman's classic look and will make just as strong of an argument and won't stand for any change to the classic look at all.

I take it you've read Kurosawa's posts in the Superman costume thread.

It's the same thing.

Just for the record I'm also among those that wanted the underpants/trunks on Superman. I was just letting you know what the audience that Warner Brothers is targeting usually thinks in regard to Superman's trunks at least.

I like the new TMOS costume a lot but it's chance for perfection has already been dropped when omitting the trunks.

To be honest though the new Superman design is less of a departure than this new Spider-Man suit is to me. That's a remodeling of the classic suit that mainly does a lot of things right while The Amazing Spider-Man suit does more things wrong than right IMO. It just isn't as nice of a design.

But I do thank you for respecting my opinion it's good to see civility.